Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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The problem is with a bunch of false Amillennialist doctrines of men that wrongly teach since our Lord Jesus died on the cross and defeated Satan, then this world already... TODAY belongs to Christ's servants and we are expected to help Him build His Kingdom now, here on this earth. Major problem with that is, it's not written in God's Word, but is a man-made doctrine, but it causes those on it to dwell within a certain realm of that kind of thinking.

So when you bring up prophetic events still yet to occur, especially involving Satan working upon the earth today or for the end, then that confuses them, since they don't heed what's actually written in God's Word, but instead are like broken records stuck on men's doctrines instead. I mean some of them actually believe we've already been in Christ's thousand years millennial for some years now, and even worse, some of them believe Jesus' 2nd coming is not literal, but only in the spiritual sense.
Thanks I will answer some of those questions but again what is he bound from doing .Can he deceive the nations as the father of lies?
 
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it's an exact quote from the World English Bible.

yes, I feel great, thanks for asking!
I think that was the very first time that I have ever witnessed you posting any scripture at all in the 1K+ replies that you have made.

Keep up the good work!
 

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Jesus said that He had bound Satan (Matt. 12.28-29). Against His claims all yours are folly.

Jesus is not going to 'fight' anyone. He destroys them with the word of His mouth.
You are actually stretching it. Matthew 12:28-29 is not our Lord Jesus declaring Satan bound...

Matt 12:25-31
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
KJV

How can some forget, they REJECTED... our Lord Jesus. The Kingdom did NOT come then, they rejected it. The 'strong man' (Satan) was thus not then bound.
 

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if satan were not bound (matt 12.28-29) the world would be far worse than it is, and its bad enough now,
Just wait till the time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught for the end. Oh, wait a minute, you don't really believe in a coming tribulation and endtime prophecy, do you? Aren't you one that believe Christ is reigning over the nations now?
 
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Peter said that Satan is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour and John says that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.


No, Peter never said that....you did.

The term 'Satan' is not even used in that passage...further, it refers to a demon, and not 'The Devil'...



But Bowman says that Satan is partially bound and not in the Abyss, ignoring the chronological order of events as listed in scripture.
No....those would be your own imaginary words.

The Biblical stance is that Satan has been rendered impotent....not 'partially impotent'....
 
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Just wait till the time of "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus taught for the end. Oh, wait a minute, you don't really believe in a coming tribulation and endtime prophecy, do you? Aren't you one that believe Christ is reigning over the nations now?
Why do you people keep looking to the future for things which are already occurring?

What do you think Jesus did for you at The Cross?
 

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[/B]Jesus mentions the 'world' twice, thus, whenever Jesus repeats Himself, we can be pretty confident that 'world' was the intent.

Further, the lexicons agree...'cast out of this world and deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world.'




The Book of Revelation is non-linear and often times repeats the same core material with different epithets...
Lexicons come and go, just as many Bible commentaries have aged over the years, some ideas in them becoming irrelevant. Still better to rely directly on God's Word as the primary source.

This verse contradicts the insertion of man's idea into John 12:31 that Jesus said Satan was cast out of the 'world'...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
KJV

The lexicons also agree, that "prince of this world" is a title for Satan.

So how is it that Jesus said there Satan "cometh", meaning coming to our world de facto, if back in John 12 He had meant Satan was booted out of this world? Jesus would be contradicting Himself if He meant Satan was then cast out of the world.
 
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Lexicons come and go, just as many Bible commentaries have aged over the years, some ideas in them becoming irrelevant.
No they don't.

Give us one...




Still better to rely directly on God's Word as the primary source.
Lexicons define Biblical renderings in the first place...



This verse contradicts the insertion of man's idea into John 12:31 that Jesus said Satan was cast out of the 'world'...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
KJV

The lexicons also agree, that "prince of this world" is a title for Satan.

So how is it that Jesus said there Satan "cometh", meaning coming to our world de facto, if back in John 12 He had meant Satan was booted out of this world? Jesus would be contradicting Himself if He meant Satan was then cast out of the world.
Please tell us what Greek word is used for 'cometh'...
 

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Why do you people keep looking to the future for things which are already occurring?

What do you think Jesus did for you at The Cross?
Why do you keep denying the prophecies written in God's Holy Writ that have yet to occur? I've read enough your writings to know the answer to what I said here; it's because of the Preterist type doctrines of men that you're following instead.

You're not one of those cats that's for rebuilding another Jewish temple in Jerusalem are you? You do realize don't you the orthodox Jews plan to start up OT worship with animal sacrifices again, in Jerusalem, don't you? That's one of the main purposes for the Full Preterist doctrines of men, because some of the crept unawares within Christian theology want believers on Christ to think Jesus is ruling this world NOW, and that we need to build His Kingdom here, now.

That is actually what Satan's servants plan to do, since he has always wanted to be God and rule over God's people in place of Christ. Those preparations of today's world for a kingdom here is not our Lord's doing, it's a work by Satan and his. Our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ doesn't need our help to bring in His Eternal Kingdom. He will bring it when He is ready in His Own time, and it won't have anything to do with the kingdoms of men on earth today.
 
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I've read enough your writings to know the answer to what I said here; it's because of the Preterist type doctrines of men that you're following instead.
I'm not a preterist...but, if that makes you happy, then keep on believing it...
 

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No they don't.

Give us one...






Lexicons define Biblical renderings in the first place...


Please tell us what Greek word is used for 'cometh'...
NT:2064
erchomai (er'-khom-ahee); middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai (el-yoo'-thom-ahee); or [active] eltho (el'-tho); which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively):


KJV - accompany, appear, bring, come, enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
 
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NT:2064
erchomai (er'-khom-ahee); middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] eleuthomai (el-yoo'-thom-ahee); or [active] eltho (el'-tho); which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively):


KJV - accompany, appear, bring, come, enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Close...but not quite.

And...what tense is the verb in...?
 

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Why do you people keep looking to the future for things which are already occurring?

What do you think Jesus did for you at The Cross?
I'm not a Furturist either.

That doesn't mean I don't have enough common sense to realize God's Word declares a literal physical bodily return of our Lord Jesus back to this earth, as written, and at the same time I know that still has yet to happen today.


 
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Why do you keep denying the prophecies written in God's Holy Writ that have yet to occur? I've read enough your writings to know the answer to what I said here; it's because of the Preterist type doctrines of men that you're following instead.

You're not one of those cats that's for rebuilding another Jewish temple in Jerusalem are you? You do realize don't you the orthodox Jews plan to start up OT worship with animal sacrifices again, in Jerusalem, don't you? That's one of the main purposes for the Full Preterist doctrines of men, because some of the crept unawares within Christian theology want believers on Christ to think Jesus is ruling this world NOW, and that we need to build His Kingdom here, now.

That is actually what Satan's servants plan to do, since he has always wanted to be God and rule over God's people in place of Christ. Those preparations of today's world for a kingdom here is not our Lord's doing, it's a work by Satan and his. Our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ doesn't need our help to bring in His Eternal Kingdom. He will bring it when He is ready in His Own time, and it won't have anything to do with the kingdoms of men on earth today.
Holy bioterrorism batman! Seriously. How bad does it have to get before the church grows a set and stands up for itself against these tyrants? Why do you need Christ's permission or presence when you have his example?

What the church needs to do is start flipping more tables. We the people are getting shafted and many of us don't see how bad it really is because we're either in the minority of the privileged or we're so used to living under the boot of tyranny disguised as the (continually unfulfilled) promise of the american dream!
 
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I'm not a Furturist either.

That doesn't mean I don't have enough common sense to realize God's Word declares a literal physical bodily return of our Lord Jesus back to this earth, as written, and at the same time I know that still has yet to happen today.


Where is that written?
 

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Close...but not quite.

And...what tense is the verb in...?
I'm sure you've heard the old saying, "He doesn't know whether he's coming or going." That's what I think about you straining at a gnat against the simplicity of God's Holy Writ.
 
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I'm sure you've heard the old saying, "He doesn't know whether he's coming or going." That's what I think about you straining at a gnat against the simplicity of God's Holy Writ.
Its a simple question.

I'll repeat it....

What tense is the verb in...?
 

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Where is that written?
I guess I hit the hammer right on the nail; the group of men's doctrines among Christianity that do not accept a literal, bodily return of our Lord Jesus is especially the Full Preterist crowd.