Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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Dan_473

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I did not say ignore, Mr.ahwatukee I said to student (babes in Christ) that they should spend more time of understanding the Gospels and Paul before venturing into revelations. Even if they did (student/new to the faith) they won't understand it. Can we agree there? Do you remember being a new christian trying to read revelations ... with dragons, horns, and vials? So I'm not saying to ignore it, I'm just saying it will confuse a new christian if led to try to read and understand Revelation.
from the book of Revelation, I think some things like this are accessable to everyone,

"The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” He who hears, let him say, “Come!” He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely."


but yes, I remember reading Revelation the first time... I came away with a few good things, but mostly lists of "woes".
 

Dan_473

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I would say the most significant thing is what Jesus did on the cross for us (coming to our rescue) I do agree, understanding the whole story is important though.
right, and I agree that Jesus dieing for us and rising again, and many other things, are very significant.


just to try to clarify some more,


whether a christian uses the word "bound" or "unbound" to describe the present state of satan... does this have a significant impact on how they live? like, the christians who use "bound", do they do more works of charity? (or less?)
 
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RobbyEarl

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I think that poll shows the answer. And as for preterism it's a false doctrine and not worth any true Christians attention. John was exiled to Patmos after the destruction of Jerusalem. Neither do i see Jesus sitting on the throne in Jerusalem. So to say that the end times has already happened means that you must be either crazy or haven fallen for satan's doctrine. Where is the feet of clay mixed with Iron. Where is the redemption of the body? Read the bible people read the bible.
 
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from the book of Revelation, I think some things like this are accessable to everyone,

"The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” He who hears, let him say, “Come!” He who is thirsty, let him come. He who desires, let him take the water of life freely."


but yes, I remember reading Revelation the first time... I came away with a few good things, but mostly lists of "woes".
It just sounded like something from Armageddon to me, I didn't understand a lick. Just was entertaining, I wasn't familar with the Holy Spirit yet. I'm not going to pretend I understand it all now either, haha. I do like Mr. Bowman's work here on the subject. When scripture agrees with scripture and is descriptive. We have to take a step back and observe someone that's a little more knowledgeable. Do I know if he's right for sure, no.. I'd be lying if I said I did, but he brings up solid arguments for his case. Now is this a salvation issue...no, I didn't even know if he was bound or not before reading this... Does that change my salvation, no.. I don't know why people are so uptight about it, is interesting though.
 

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Brother Dan_473,

What if it was a week, would you go to work, would you watch football? (that's a hard one! ha ha)

What if it was 3 days, still no change?

What if you knew it would be tomorrow?

Just asking
 
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RobbyEarl

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I think that Bowman is an educated troll and likes to stir stuff up. I have seen in threads where he supports Islam. You know some people just love an argument and I guess I took the bait.
 

Dan_473

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It just sounded like something from Armageddon to me, I didn't understand a lick. Just was entertaining, I wasn't familar with the Holy Spirit yet. I'm not going to pretend I understand it all now either, haha. I do like Mr. Bowman's work here on the subject. When scripture agrees with scripture and is descriptive. We have to take a step back and observe someone that's a little more knowledgeable. Do I know if he's right for sure, no.. I'd be lying if I said I did, but he brings up solid arguments for his case. Now is this a salvation issue...no, I didn't even know if he was bound or not before reading this... Does that change my salvation, no.. I don't know why people are so uptight about it, is interesting though.
I would definitely agree with "Now the prince of this world will be cast out."

I think when most people hear "satan is bound", they look at the world and think "satan, or at least some strong demons, are active in the world".


imo, it's kind of like saying "hitler invaded france." no, not hitler personally, but soldiers under his direction. in the same way, satan himself or evil spirits following his lead... we sometimes use the name of the leader to refer to a whole group.

but you're right, why be uptight about it?
 

Dan_473

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Brother Dan_473,

What if it was a week, would you go to work, would you watch football? (that's a hard one! ha ha)

What if it was 3 days, still no change?

What if you knew it would be tomorrow?

Just asking
I strive for (and fail a lot at) "Whatever you do, in word or in deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus"... so yes, if work is what I do in the name of the Lord... or watch football (hard to think of how that would be in the name of the Lord, but I think it could be possible).

I think it's all about what ministry God has called us to. "The Master" wants to find us doing what he told us to do when He left.
 
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Brother Bowman,

The "binding" of the dragon with a "great chain", Rev 20,

Trying to keep this in the context of Rev 20, what is your understanding of the word "chain", why chain?

The term is used elsewhere in scripture in the context of being surrounded...thus, I would think that this is used as a metaphor for how securely bound, and unable to escape the spiritual abyss prison that Satan is in...
 
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This man has asked repeatedly for someone to back up with scripture, their convictions. None have.. He's given scripture to show satan was bound when Jesus was crucified and died.

Agreed....:)
 
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again I see I wasn't clear about the impact on our daily lives.


suppose two christians. one exegetes the scriptures such that they come to think that the english word "bound" best describes the current state of satan.

the other exegetes the scriptures such that they come to think that the english word "unbound" best describes the current state of satan.


will there be a significant difference between how each lives the christian life?

100+ pages, and I have yet to see ANYONE show their exegesis for Satan being unbound.
 
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I think that Bowman is an educated troll and likes to stir stuff up. I have seen in threads where he supports Islam. You know some people just love an argument and I guess I took the bait.
No....you have not.
 
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RobbyEarl

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No....you have not.

My mistake bowman I went back and looked through the threads and though I found that Tintin referred to you as a friend of Muslims I was wrong and admit that, May you forgive me for that saying?
 
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RobbyEarl

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you know it is very interesting and sheds a lot of light, if you put someones screen name in the search, it brings up every thread that they have posted in.
 

Dan_473

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100+ pages, and I have yet to see ANYONE show their exegesis for Satan being unbound.
I'll try rephrasing.

suppose two christians. one exegetes the scriptures such that they come to think that the english word "bound" best describes the current state of satan.

the other reads the scriptures, and based on their reading of the scriptures, they come to think that the english word "unbound" best describes the current state of satan.


will there be a significant difference between how each lives the christian life?
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi Dan_473,

Below is directed at Bowman and the other preterists:

To answer your question, it is because Satan has yet to be bound Bowman! Scripture is clear regarding the order of events. Rev.19:11-21 gives a detailed account of Christ returning to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. At that time the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire and then Satan is seized and bound into the literal location of the Abyss for a thousand years, just as the scripture proclaims. Since Satan is said to be bound after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, he then cannot possibly be bound and that because Jesus has not yet returned. And before you say that he did return at the destruction of the temple, let me remind you that the promise of his appearing to gather the church, was to the entire church and not just those of the first century.

When Jesus descends from heaven to gather the church, all those who will have died from the on-set of the church until Jesus descends, will be resurrected. Immediately after that, all of the living in Christ will be changed and caught up. This event will include the entire church from beginning to end. And since the church is still in the process of being built, then Jesus has not yet returned. By you having Jesus returned in 70 AD, the majority of the church is left out of his promises. Also, in order to make your interpretation fit, you believe and teach that we are currently living in the thousand year reign of Christ, but with Christ ruling from heaven through the saints on earth. Does it look like the saints are ruling anyone? No! they're not, because the plan is not for us to rule until after Christ literally returns to the earth to end the age, when that thousand years actually begins.

When I provide scripture to you that shows the characteristics during the thousand years such as the lion eating straw like the ox or prey and predator animals and their young lying down together, you ignore the literal meaning and spiritualize it. Peter said that Satan is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour and John says that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. But Bowman says that Satan is partially bound and not in the Abyss, ignoring the chronological order of events as listed in scripture. Until you let go of preterism and receive the word of God at face value, except where symbolism is obvious, you will never understand the true meaning of these events, which is very sad. For you and others are exchanging the true meaning of God's word for the teachings of demons. I can't imaging how anyone could actually think that we are currently living in the millennial kingdom.
 
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My mistake bowman I went back and looked through the threads and though I found that Tintin referred to you as a friend of Muslims I was wrong and admit that, May you forgive me for that saying?
Sure thing....thanks for verifying...:)
 
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I'll try rephrasing.

suppose two christians. one exegetes the scriptures such that they come to think that the english word "bound" best describes the current state of satan.

the other reads the scriptures, and based on their reading of the scriptures, they come to think that the english word "unbound" best describes the current state of satan.


will there be a significant difference between how each lives the christian life?
There was for me.