Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Bowman]

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

If the devil is bound why does is say in the bible to resist him causing him to flee?

The context of James 4 is directed at those that are warring, murdering and committing adultery; the ones that are following demonic activities....of which, is the 'power' of Satan.

There is no mention of Satan possessing anyone, or directly causing the events in James 4.

1 Peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Prowls around? How can he prowl around if he is bound.

We already covered this one-hit-wonder verse numerous times in this thread...and are covering it right now, again.

The word 'the' does not appear in the Greek, and, contextually, applies to 'a' demon...

 

[garee]

That conclusion does not correlate with the 38 NT inflectional usages of diabolos.

Scripture is clear...Satan is most assuredly bound right now.

Be thankful that he is bound - instead of repeatedly looking for ways to give him praise and power that he does not have.

I think the key is a proper understanding of what it means to “deceive the nations”. It does not mean that no one will be deceived. as long as we remain in these bodies of death those who do not know Christ will deceived by the father of lies. The deceiver..

He is bound from entering heaven with the angels that did not follow after Satan prior till Christ said; it is finished..

Nothing else has changed. He continues to roam around like a lion seeking to deceive what he thinks are the believers, not knowing who is and who is not because of the first century reformation.. It is everyone that names the name Christ in respect to all the nations.. Satan and his angels that followed him are not subject to salvation. They do not know the gospel.

He can no more deceive the nations as a whole. This increases the tribulation we are in the last days until the end.
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

That deceiving the nation is in respect to them as a whole.

Types and shadows in respect to the outward flesh of men disappeared according to the first century reformation. Our God is no longer reckoned as the God of one nation. It was by that, in which the father of lies, the spirit of error previously deceived all the nations, to walk in their own pagan ways..

Act 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,But “now” is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Rom 16:25

Be thankful you has His authority as a Christian making it impossible to deceive the elect regardless of which nation a person belongs to..

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

The possibility to deceive the nations who are not elected to salvation continues.

Christians understand there will be no more new revelations (prophecy) . What we had in part up until the last chapter Revelation we now have the perfect or complete. There are no laws missing by which we could now him more intimate.
They elect are warned by the Spirit of Christ that dwells in them to take heed to the warning in the last book Revelation , before he sealed up the possibility of any new prophecy through a false prophet. . This means if any man say lo is Christ, thus sayeth the Lord. Believe not him and his lying signs and wonders. The father of lies will bring those kinds of wonders until he is completely destroyed. .

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:6
God will be sending a strong delusion to anyone who has not received the love of His truth all the way to the end of time.

Be thankful that he is bound from deceiving the elect of any nation - instead of repeatedly looking for ways to give him praise and power through lying signs and wonders ,as that in which he does still have, until he is destroyed .

 

[RobbyEarl]

Look dude, satan is right now in the throne room accusing us night and day. He will not be bound until Jesus returns and starts the 1K reign, after that he will be released from the pit and then be thrown in the lake of fire. Just read the bible

 

[jasonj]

satan was cast out of heaven and set loose on the earth when Jesus was victorious on the cross. to look at the world around us and see the unashamed evil that doesn't even bother to hide itself should be proof where He is and that he is active now. or to look at the 3001 false doctrines that claim truth, should be evidence the author of confusion is sitting back enjoying His short term. when you look and see the athiests winning their lawsuits to remove anything God or Jesus, shouldn't be an inquiry who runs that outfit. revelation 12:7-17. He is in pursuit of those who follow Gods commandments, though He was once in Goids presence accusing job chapter 2. many overlook this statement by Jesus soon before His victory on the cross " I saw satan fall like lightning from heaven." ( luke 10:18) yet when we syudy the revelation, this statement says much as do all the words of Jesus. who also said john14:30 " ...the prince of this world is coming, but he has no hold on me." and he said john16:11 " the prince of this world now stands condemned"....

to study the persecutions in revelation, and study the persecutions of rome upon the church beginning in 67-70 ad, should correlate some good realization about the dragon who was cast out of heaven and then pursued the church in anger. also peter says " he goes about like a roaring lion looking for who He may devour".....satan is loosed upon the earth and His time is running short, the evil that is prevelant and also endorsed by the majority of society is really evidence enough that He is active on earth. children are not safe if they leave a parents sight because of the beasts looking to harm them. the weak are victimized, the homeless are cast from towns and looked at as a plaugue of society. every commandment of God is defiled and readily approved.

for example Have no other Gods before me......in society to hold to the truth of one God and only one, makes you a bigot and your a bad guy. we know the statistics of murder, theft, rape...every few minutes. and society is far more concerned about the treatment of the criminals having proper dental coverage, and leniency ect rather than justice for the victims. Gay marriage- if you take Gods word as your stance, you will be absolutely a bigot in the eyes of "acceptable" society. divorce???? common place and defended fiercely, abortion? human rights to kill the unborn baby pro chopice is the loudest voice. righteousness is a disease to the majority of society. every aspect of the world is on a mission to be fully opposed to Gods word. humanism is the religion of most, even those claiming Christianity. selfishness, vanity, covetousness, idolatry and every pther form of opposition is the way of the world.


so, is satan bound? or is He ruling those who will not accept Christ and the true gospel? is He prevalent and everywhere you look on the earth? naw Hes not bound, Hes headed for destruction, but he isn't bound outside of the body of Christ, in Christ is the only place He isn't, and the only people He isn't ruling are those who submit to the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Look dude, satan is right now in the throne room accusing us night and day. He will not be bound until Jesus returns and starts the 1K reign, after that he will be released from the pit and then be thrown in the lake of fire. Just read the bible

Hello RobbyEarl,

Very true! Jesus' reference to "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" was most likely in regards to his original fall when he first rebelled against God and not the war in heaven. Trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as woes (Rev.8:13), with the 7th trumpet/3rd woe being where Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven to the earth. That being said, in order for the 7th trumpet to have taken place, we would have had to first seen trumpet/woes 5 & 6, for they are in sequential order.

The 5th trumpet/1st woe is where that star/angel opens the Abyss and releases those demonic beings who torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like that of a scorpion for five months.

The 6th trumpet/2nd woe, is where a third of the inhabitants of the earth are killed by those four fallen angels and their army of 200 million, who are bound at the Euphrates River. Needless to say, the world has not seen the results of either the 5th or 6th trumpet.

You are also correct in that, Satan is out and about and still has access to both heaven and earth. It is not until the middle of the seven years that the war in heaven takes place where Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven to the earth, which is the 7th trumpet/3rd woe. At the end of that seven years Jesus will return to end the age and that is when Satan will be seized by that angel and thrown into the Abyss and restricted during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

Those thee woes and not something that can just casually take place in the background of history unnoticed, but are meant to do the opposite, which is to grab everyone's attention. The world is definitely full of evil, but it is nothing in comparison to what the world is going to be like once the restraining power of the Holy Spirit has been removed allowing the full force of sin and that man of lawlessness to be revealed. It is a picnic right now in comparison to what the world it is going to be like during those days.

When scripture says "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth for Satan has gone down to you having great wrath" it will be something that will be very noticeable, for Satan and his angels will be able focus their full wrath, malice and evil upon the earth. When he is cast out, this is also why scripture says "he knows that he has but a short time" and that because from the time that he is thrown out, he knows that he only has 3 1/2 years before Jesus returns and he is thrown into the Abyss.

 

[RobbyEarl]

He (satan) is hard at work trying to destroy Israel and the church. In America he is doing a good job and we stand by watching survivor and dancing with the stars. Whilst our enemy is hard at work invading our leaders and our churches. We are like a cat, just feed me, pet me, and entertain me.

 

[Bowman]

I think the key is a proper understanding of what it means to “deceive the nations”. It does not mean that no one will be deceived. as long as we remain in these bodies of death those who do not know Christ will deceived by the father of lies. The deceiver..

He is bound from entering heaven with the angels that did not follow after Satan prior till Christ said; it is finished..

What scriptural passage(s) supports this fantasy...?

Nothing else has changed. He continues to roam around like a lion seeking to deceive what he thinks are the believers, not knowing who is and who is not because of the first century reformation.. It is everyone that names the name Christ in respect to all the nations.. Satan and his angels that followed him are not subject to salvation. They do not know the gospel.

Wrong.

Scripture is exquisitely clear that Satan's roaming days are over, and have been over since The Cross, as thus...


Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon

Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[Bowman]

He can no more deceive the nations as a whole. This increases the tribulation we are in the last days until the end.
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Who did the casting?

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

No mention of Satan possessing anyone...

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:6

Wrong, again...


2 Thes 2.6 - 7

και νυν το κατεχον οιδατε εις το αποκαλυφθηναι αυτον εν τω αυτου καιρω το γαρ μυστηριον ηδη ενεργειται της ανομιας μονον ο κατεχων αρτι εως εκ μεσου γενηται

kai nyn to katechon iodate eis to apokalyphthēnai auton en tō heautou kairō to gar mystērion ēdē energeitai tēs anomias monon ho katechōn arti heōs ek mesou genētai


And you know that which is binding him for now, to be revealed in his appointed time. For The Hidden, The Lawless is already working, only he is bound at present, taken out of the way, until he comes out of the midst.



The Greek of your example states plainly that Satan is 'bound at present'.....i.e. taken out of the way.....what does it mean to you...?

God will be sending a strong delusion to anyone who has not received the love of His truth all the way to the end of time.

Be thankful that he is bound from deceiving the elect of any nation - instead of repeatedly looking for ways to give him praise and power through lying signs and wonders ,as that in which he does still have, until he is destroyed .

Satan's demons are working you like a hand-puppet....

 

[Bowman]

Look dude, satan is right now in the throne room accusing us night and day. He will not be bound until Jesus returns and starts the 1K reign, after that he will be released from the pit and then be thrown in the lake of fire. Just read the bible

You obviously don't have any respect at all for what Jesus did for you on The Cross.

 

[Bowman]

satan was cast out of heaven and set loose on the earth when Jesus was victorious on the cross.

Said no scripture - ever....

 

[Dan_473]

LOL you have missed the clear and obvious meaning of the words in that Satan is seen as working through operatives..

if you are honest YOU should see him physically as a roaring lion,

I disagree that that's the clear meaning of the verse.

I think the clear meaning is that ""your adversary, the devil, walks..."

 

[Dan_473]

he didn't say 'in a way comparable to a roaring lion'. He said 'AS a roaring lion' if you take it literally..

I'm not really sure what you're saying, there...


from
Strong's Greek: 5613. ὡς (hós) -- as, like as, even as, when, since, as long as

Short Definition: as, like as, how, while, so that

 

[Dan_473]

Even your very own Bible Hub link shows the word 'the' artificially inserted in parenthesis.

So...you were saying...?

biblehub is presenting an interlinear translation, it appears to be the one also used in this book

The New International Version Interlinear Greek-English New Testament: Alfred Marshall: 9780310286806: Amazon.com: Books


so, why does Marshall put "the" in brackets next to devil? my feeling is that he's producing an interlinear translation, "the" doesn't appear next to devil (everyone agrees on that), but is needed to give the proper sense in english.

there is article-NMS, adversary and devil are also NMS. so again my feeling, the article applies to both adversary and devil. but I could be wrong on that.

in any case, Dr. Marshall comes to the same conclusion as the vast majority of greek specialists, that "the" is needed next to devil when translating into english.

 

[Bowman]

biblehub is presenting an interlinear translation, it appears to be the one also used in this book

The New International Version Interlinear Greek-English New Testament: Alfred Marshall: 9780310286806: Amazon.com: Books


so, why does Marshall put "the" in brackets next to devil? my feeling is that he's producing an interlinear translation, "the" doesn't appear next to devil (everyone agrees on that), but is needed to give the proper sense in english.

there is article-NMS, adversary and devil are also NMS. so again my feeling, the article applies to both adversary and devil. but I could be wrong on that.

in any case, Dr. Marshall comes to the same conclusion as the vast majority of greek specialists, that "the" is needed next to devil when translating into english.

You just parroted what I already stated long ago...and that the definite article, 'the' ,was artificially inserted into text to make it flow in English.

However, the verse was written in Greek, not English... and legions of other verses plainly state that Satan is no longer roaming the earth....thus, this cannot pertain to a freely roaming 'The Devil'....rather a demon 'a devil'...

You don't base a doctrine on one verse...

 

[Dan_473]

You just parroted what I already stated long ago...and that the definite article, 'the' ,was artificially inserted into text to make it flow in English.

However, the verse was written in Greek, not English... and legions of other verses plainly state that Satan is no longer roaming the earth....thus, this cannot pertain to a freely roaming 'The Devil'....rather a demon 'a devil'...

You don't base a doctrine on one verse...

I didn't say "to make it flow in English", but that it "is needed to give the proper sense in english."

when translating from nt greek into english, every word is artificial.


my conclusion is that "your adversary, the devil, walks..." is the correct approach. This same conclusion is reached by every english translation I've seen so far.


if you decide to use an approach different from the vast majority of scholarship, of course that's up to you.

 

[psalm6819]

The context of James 4 is directed at those that are warring, murdering and committing adultery; the ones that are following demonic activities....of which, is the 'power' of Satan.

There is no mention of Satan possessing anyone, or directly causing the events in James 4.






We already covered this one-hit-wonder verse numerous times in this thread...and are covering it right now, again.

The word 'the' does not appear in the Greek, and, contextually, applies to 'a' demon...

that is just your opinion and why not the plural if it is non denotative?

 

[psalm6819]

not wasting time here to listen to bowman and just curious why he picks a sign of the Kaballah as is avatar

 

[psalm6819]

You just parroted what I already stated long ago...and that the definite article, 'the' ,was artificially inserted into text to make it flow in English.

However, the verse was written in Greek, not English... and legions of other verses plainly state that Satan is no longer roaming the earth....thus, this cannot pertain to a freely roaming 'The Devil'....rather a demon 'a devil'...

You don't base a doctrine on one verse...

I just better pray for you

 

[Bowman]

I didn't say "to make it flow in English", but that it "is needed to give the proper sense in english."

No.

It is for the bias of the translator.

Theos is usually arthrous in scripture, but how many times do renderings state 'The God'...?

when translating from nt greek into english, every word is artificial.

Every word should be literal, and impart the same meaning as the original - otherwise, the word becomes borrowed...

my conclusion is that "your adversary, the devil, walks..." is the correct approach. This same conclusion is reached by every english translation I've seen so far.

Several honest translations show (the) in parenthesis.

Few, if any, translations show their exegesis.

if you decide to use an approach different from the vast majority of scholarship, of course that's up to you.

My approach has always been to compare scripture to scripture....and, in doing so, showing overwhelming support that Satan is presently bound.

Your approach is to ignore any, and all, passages that contradict your world view.

Keep giving Satan power he doesn't have, Dan!

 

[Bowman]

that is just your opinion and why not the plural if it is non denotative?

It is in the plural.