Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Hello Dan_473,

Yes, this is one of the ways Amillennialist come to the conclusion that the thousand years in Revelation is not a literal thousand years. Just like they will tell you that the binding of Satan mentioned in Rev.20:1-3, that is yet to happen, took place at the cross. They have end-time events culminating at the destruction of the temple and proclaim that we are currently living in the millennial period, which is not really a millennial period. Then there are the preterists .....

Brother Ahwatukee,

First, I really liked your comments on the state of the dead.

I didn't want to disturb your debate with the "dark side", ha ha.

Good sword fight! (Word of God)
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Let's get back to the mill. "binding".

Will Satan, the dragon v2, (a spirit) be seen by men in Rev 20? When he is thrown into the pit? when he is down there in it, maybe they could give tours, see the dragon ha ha. When he is released?

If the bottomless pit opens on earth, how can it have no bottom?

The dragon is bound, but when he is released, what does he do, that he couldn't do before?

Not too many questions at one time,

Brother John

 

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You look; but you cannot see.

Your very own text states that Satan was here - but then left. He is no longer on the playing field. He is bound. I highlighted it in red (Mat 13.25) so that you can't ignore it anymore.

I also highlighted Mat 13.41 showing that Jesus is removing people from His Kingdom, the earth.

The playing field is the earth.

We are presently in the 1K period reigning with Jesus.

Matthew 13:25 concludes "and went his way". Would not have been allowed to go his way if Jesus had bound him.

One more question sir...how is it we are reigning with Jesus? Seems to me if this were so, there would be no more sin in this world, nor sorrow, death, false religions, doctrines, etc.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Good day John,

Will Satan, the dragon v2, (a spirit) be seen by men in Rev 20?

I don't really know, for scripture doesn't say anything about whether or not Satan will be seen when he is cast into the Abyss and does it really matter whether anyone sees him or not? The angel who will be throwing him into the Abyss will certainly see him.

When he is thrown into the pit?

After Jesus returns to the earth to end the age as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, then all of those people who will have been gathered at Har-Mageddon will be killed with that double-edged sword (word of God) and then Satan will be seized and thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a liter thousand years. So, his binding takes place after Christ returns to the earth to end the age. This is what is meant in Rev.12 when the dragon/Satan finds himself thrown to the earth and he knows that he has but a short time, which is referring to the fact that he knows that he only 3 1/2 years left from the time that he is cast out until Christ returns and he is restricted in the Abyss. And I don't believe they will be having tours

If the bottomless pit opens on earth, how can it have no bottom?

The word Abussos/Abyss is a metaphor meaning a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth, and can also refer to the depths of the sea.

The dragon is bound, but when he is released, what does he do, that he couldn't do before?

You have read it in Rev.20:1-7, that after Satan is released he then goes and gathers the people referred to as Gog and Magog, deceiving them after a thousand years of no interference from Satan, where he performs one last act of rebellion against God, where at the end he is then thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown into a thousand years earlier. Th..th...th.. that's all folks

 

[Ahwatukee]

Matthew 13:25 concludes "and went his way". Would not have been allowed to go his way if Jesus had bound him.

One more question sir...how is it we are reigning with Jesus? Seems to me if this were so, there would be no more sin in this world, nor sorrow, death, false religions, doctrines, etc.

Gudday 49,

I liken Amillennialism to a young girls tea party, no real guests, no real tea and no real pastries, just make believe

 

[Bowman]

Matthew 13:25 concludes "and went his way". Would not have been allowed to go his way if Jesus had bound him.

The Greek term utilized here is 'apēlthen', and is described in the lexicons as departing in an absolute manner.

The parable aptly describes Satan's departure as absolute in nature...i.e. he is bound.

Elvis has left the building.

And look at what the parable informs the reader...Satan sowed tares (plural) demons...as opposed to what Jesus sowed, good seed (singular).

See the difference?

Satan left behind his bad seed, the demons.

Again....

The parable is unmistakable, and solidifies my position that Satan is presently bound, and that his demons have been left behind to intermingle with mankind until the end.

Pretty simple.

 

[Bowman]

One more question sir...how is it we are reigning with Jesus? Seems to me if this were so, there would be no more sin in this world, nor sorrow, death, false religions, doctrines, etc.

What fantasy scripture says that?

Jesus was pretty clear....

Mat 10.34 - 36

Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to divide a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a bride against her mother-in-law. "Ones hostile to the man shall be those of his own house." Mic. 7.6

 

[Bowman]

Just like they will tell you that the binding of Satan mentioned in Rev.20:1-3, that is yet to happen, took place at the cross.

You can't even tell us who this mere 'angel' was that had the power to cast down Satan in the first place...and yet, you think you have it all figured out.

File 13 your stance...

 

[valiant]

The point is that a lion creeps up on his prey and then at the right time he charges in to take the kill. That is what the enemy does. He came to kill,steal, and destroy. He creeps up like a nasty virus in our lives and before we know it we are overcome in sin. Have you ever heard the song"slow fade". It is a good representation of how sin overtakes our lives

the point is that if you want to take it LITERALL you must see him AS a roaring lion. That what it SAYS. I know what it means. that satan uses humans to do his purposes from the place where he is restrained. you seem to think he is omnipresent, but he is not. Only GOD is omnipresent,

 

[valiant]

Gudday 49,

I liken Amillennialism to a young girls tea party, no real guests, no real tea and no real pastries, just make believe

and we liken premillennialism to fairy tales first invented in 19th century, as indeed it IS,

 

[valiant]

Good day John,



I don't really know, for scripture doesn't say anything about whether or not Satan will be seen when he is cast into the Abyss and does it really matter whether anyone sees him or not? The angel who will be throwing him into the Abyss will certainly see him.




After Jesus returns to the earth to end the age as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, then all of those people who will have been gathered at Har-Mageddon will be killed with that double-edged sword (word of God) and then Satan will be seized and thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a liter thousand years. So, his binding takes place after Christ returns to the earth to end the age. This is what is meant in Rev.12 when the dragon/Satan finds himself thrown to the earth and he knows that he has but a short time, which is referring to the fact that he knows that he only 3 1/2 years left from the time that he is cast out until Christ returns and he is restricted in the Abyss. And I don't believe they will be having tours



The word Abussos/Abyss is a metaphor meaning a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth, and can also refer to the depths of the sea.



You have read it in Rev.20:1-7, that after Satan is released he then goes and gathers the people referred to as Gog and Magog, deceiving them after a thousand years of no interference from Satan, where he performs one last act of rebellion against God, where at the end he is then thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown into a thousand years earlier. Th..th...th.. that's all folks

funny that Jesus Himself said He had bound satan (Matthew 12.28-29). Now who do I believe, Him or you LOL

 

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Good day John,



I don't really know, for scripture doesn't say anything about whether or not Satan will be seen when he is cast into the Abyss and does it really matter whether anyone sees him or not? The angel who will be throwing him into the Abyss will certainly see him.




After Jesus returns to the earth to end the age as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, then all of those people who will have been gathered at Har-Mageddon will be killed with that double-edged sword (word of God) and then Satan will be seized and thrown into and restricted in the Abyss for a liter thousand years. So, his binding takes place after Christ returns to the earth to end the age. This is what is meant in Rev.12 when the dragon/Satan finds himself thrown to the earth and he knows that he has but a short time, which is referring to the fact that he knows that he only 3 1/2 years left from the time that he is cast out until Christ returns and he is restricted in the Abyss. And I don't believe they will be having tours



The word Abussos/Abyss is a metaphor meaning a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth, and can also refer to the depths of the sea.



You have read it in Rev.20:1-7, that after Satan is released he then goes and gathers the people referred to as Gog and Magog, deceiving them after a thousand years of no interference from Satan, where he performs one last act of rebellion against God, where at the end he is then thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown into a thousand years earlier. Th..th...th.. that's all folks

1.If nobody sees the dragon when he is released, what method does he use to deceive the nations Magog?

2. What is the deception that causes them to surround Jerusalem?

3. Doesn't the dragon have seven heads and ten horns? Rev 12:3

You are right about the Abyss, the KJV does lack a little sometimes.

Still, we could make big money in "Tours of the Abyss".

Brother John

 

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What fantasy scripture says that?

Jesus was pretty clear....

Mat 10.34 - 36

Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to divide a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a bride against her mother-in-law. "Ones hostile to the man shall be those of his own house." Mic. 7.6

Wasn't talking about peace or divisions. My post clearly stated "sin in this world, nor sorrow, death, false religions, doctrines, etc". Seems you like to twist posts like you do scriptures.

 

[Bowman]

Wasn't talking about peace or divisions. My post clearly stated "sin in this world, nor sorrow, death, false religions, doctrines, etc". Seems you like to twist posts like you do scriptures.

If you don't like the scriptural answers, then don't ask the scriptural questions.

 

[Bowman]

When was satan bound?

When Jesus was a child ?

When Jesus began his ministry ( baptism onward ) ?

When Jesus died?

or after He died and rose from the dead?

When was satan bound?

When Jesus' physical body died at The Cross.

 

[Bowman]

Amillennialism is very confusing due to the method of interpretation of Biblical prophecy....especially the way in which Revelation is interpreted. Looks like amillennialists have to do a lot of spiritualizing and allegorizing to make the pieces fit.

Like many things mentioned in the Book of Revelation, time passage is also recorded with varying epithets.


The ‘1,000 year reign’ of Christ (i.e. The First Resurrection) is the period of time commencing from the binding of Satan at the Cross until the final return of Christ. During this period of time, Satan is rendered impotent as far as possessing people – other than that of his demons, which are freely roaming.


Likewise, during this same period of time, mankind is allowed to populate the planet, spread the Gospel, and allow time for The Righteous to come to Christ.


The ‘1,000 years’ (Rev 20.2 – 7) is also referred to as ‘1260 days of prophecy’ (Rev 11.3); ‘1260 days of nourishment’ (Rev 12.6); ‘time, and times and half a time of nourishment’ (Rev 12.14); and ‘42 months’ (Rev 11.2; 13.5), etc...

 

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If you don't like the scriptural answers, then don't ask the scriptural questions.

Yes, you do reply with scriptural answers; out of context and misapplied.

 

[Bowman]

Yes, you do reply with scriptural answers; out of context and misapplied.

No.

I am always prepared with a verifiable scriptural reply, and can go as deep into an exegesis as needed.

Usually, however, I just encounter surface-gliders, such as yourself, who prefer to listen to someone else's interpretation of a popular English rendering, in lieu of actually putting forth a dedicated study effort yourself...

In short, you are very easy pickings...

 

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No.

I am always prepared with a verifiable scriptural reply, and can go as deep into an exegesis as needed.

Usually, however, I just encounter surface-gliders, such as yourself, who prefer to listen to someone else's interpretation of a popular English rendering, in lieu of actually putting forth a dedicated study effort yourself...

In short, you are very easy pickings...

Easy pickings for who? Just for the record...the only understanding received is from The Bible. Do not listen to anyone else's "interpretation".

In short, definitely not listening to yours...

 

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Easy pickings for who? Just for the record...the only understanding received is from The Bible. Do not listen to anyone else's "interpretation".

In short, definitely not listening to yours...

Once again, allowed myself to get caught up in the heat of the moment. This is not the person I am, and should not let others push my buttons. My apologies, and will probably not be responding on this thread again.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Once again, allowed myself to get caught up in the heat of the moment. This is not the person I am, and should not let others push my buttons. My apologies, and will probably not be responding on this thread again.

The proponents of Amillennialism will have that affect on you. It does to me! I just keep praying that God would allow them to see the truth, instead of the false teachings that they have adopted. I the "ignore" button helps.