Is the Devil bound right now...?

ukok102nak · Jul 8, 2016

... . and you say that again

THATS WHY SATAN IS NOT BOUND RIGHT NOW
as it is written
:read:
4*For certain men, anshei resha (men of wickedness) written down long ago [in the seferim of Hashem] for this harsha'ah (condemnation) [Dan.7:10; Rev.20:12; I Pet.2:8], have infiltrated our ranks, men twisting the Chen v'Chesed haEloheynu into a license for sensual self-indulgence and denying our only Ribboneynu and Adoneynu Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua.

THE COMING MUSAR OF AISH OLAM FOR THOSE WHO TURN ASIDE FROM THE DERECH TZEDEK AND INDULGE IN ZENUT (FORNICATION) AND PERVERSION

ukok102nak · Jul 8, 2016

:rofl: hey

and

and all the brethrens dont give the words
for i was only askin brother bowman but look how he run now
with this question
as it is written
:read:
:rofl: was his father a god WHOSE NAME IS "YAHWEH"
for our lord jesus christ is the only begotten son of god

... . that really hurts brother bowman
a lot and more to come (hope he change his ways)

Katy-follower · Jul 8, 2016

Unfortunately you'll get a different answer, depending on the person's *personal* view. Often people twist the scriptures to fit with their view, rather than changing their view to fit with what the scriptures actually say. So anything you post will be ignored if it does not agree with their view (evident by how long this thread has been going for

)

Here is one (of many) scriptures anyway......

1 Peter 5:8-11: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen"

ukok102nak · Jul 8, 2016

Katy-follower said:

indeed my sister
you keep the words of god deep within your heart and soul
but unto those who perverted their ways becaused of their wickedness
as it is written
:read:

10*For thou hast trusted 0982 in thy wickedness 07451 : thou hast said 0559 , None seeth 07200 me. Thy wisdom 02451 and thy knowledge 01847 , it hath perverted 07725 thee; and thou hast said 0559 in thine heart 03820 , I am, and none else 0657 beside me.a

11*Therefore shall evil 07451 come 0935 upon thee; thou shalt not know 03045 from whence it riseth 07837 : and mischief 01943 shall fall 05307 upon thee; thou shalt not be able 03201 to put it off 03722 : and desolation 07722 shall come 0935 upon thee suddenly 06597 , which thou shalt not know 03045 .b c

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godbless us all always

Bowman · Jul 8, 2016

ukok102nak said:

2 Thes 2.6 - 7

και νυν το κατεχον οιδατε εις το αποκαλυφθηναι αυτον εν τω αυτου καιρω το γαρ μυστηριον ηδη ενεργειται της ανομιας μονον ο κατεχων αρτι εως εκ μεσου γενηται

kai nyn to katechon iodate eis to apokalyphthēnai auton en tō heautou kairō to gar mystērion ēdē energeitai tēs anomias monon ho katechōn arti heōsek mesou genētai

And now you know that which is binding for him to be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is bound now, until he comes out of the midst.

Bowman · Jul 8, 2016

Katy-follower said:

Unfortunately you'll get a different answer, depending on the person's *personal* view. Often people twist the scriptures to fit with their view, rather than changing their view to fit with what the scriptures actually say. So anything you post will be ignored if it does not agree with their view (evident by how long this thread has been going for

)

Here is one (of many) scriptures anyway......

1 Peter 5:8-11: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen"

1 Peter 5 has already been discussed, numerous times, at length...and it does not pertain to 'The Devil"....but 'A devil'...i.e. a demon...

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

Bowman said:

if you would only begin to read
the first written verses in this chapter
then the truth shall set you free
as it is written
:read:
2 Tesalonica: 2. 1.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

... . and as saulo este pablo and what we meant is
the apostle of the gentiles said before
as it is written
:read:
2 Thes 2:8_12
8*and then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth, and wipe out by the appearance of his coming,
9*whose coming is in accordance with the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10*and with every unrighteous deception against those who are perishing, in place of which they did not accept the love of the truth, so that they would be saved.
11*And because of this, God sends them ⌞a powerful delusion⌟e so that they will believe the lie,
12*in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth, but delighted in unrighteousness.

. ... when did it happen that our lord jesus christ
the only begotten son of god came unto all
unto all who gathered unto him (who have all his works and words
written in their heart that believed in his name as also accepting him as the savior)
for lord jesus christ the only begotten son of god before his coming
gaves us all a warning before all of this things were goin to happen
as he commanded the apostle of the gentiles to wrote all this things
as they say
before the coming of our savior when the time comes
as it is written
:read:
2 Tesalonica: 2. 1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

Bowman said:

as saulo este pablo and what we meant is
the apostle of the gentiles addressing his letters unto the thesalonians
as it is written
:read:
1 Tesalonica: 2. 1.
For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:
2. But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
3. For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
4. But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
5. For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; God is witness:

Katy-follower · Jul 9, 2016

Bowman said:

Only TWO are referred to as a lion in the scriptures.....

JESUS is the true lion of the tribe of Judah (the King!)

Satan is compared to as a lion, in that he roars and seeks to devour (he always tries to be an imitation of Christ, hence why he is referred to as a lion in the scriptures)

Sorry, but no demons are referred to as lions anywhere. It is ONLY used for Jesus and the imitation.

PilgrimPassingThru · Jul 9, 2016

Here a few seems more than two though when speaking of lions in the plural

Well, Dan in this sense

Dan 6:27 He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.

Here as in this sense

2Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

But even as Bowman pointed out Satan hindering them and the Jews in the plural sense were used together, and here also the lions and the sons of men

Psalm 57:4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

Breaking the teeth of lions

Psalm 58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

Then a singular roaring lion and the teeth of young lions

Job 4:10 The roaring of the lion, and the voice of the fierce lion, and the teeth of the young lions, are broken.

I was comparing these two

Jerm 2:15 The young lions roared upon him, and yelled, and they made his land waste: his cities are burned without inhabitant.

Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wastedit:

The princes as roaring lions and judges as evening wolves

Zep 3:3 Her princes within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.

Gen 49:27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

There area few more but just a few whether

Bowman · Jul 9, 2016

Katy-follower said:

Look again...

Revelation 9
And the fifth angel trumpeted. And I saw a star out of the heaven falling onto the earth. And the key to the pit of the abyss was given to it. And he opened the pit of the abyss. And smoke went up out of the pit, like smoke of a great furnace. And the sun was darkened, and the air, by the smoke of the pit. And out of the smoke locusts came forth to the earth. And authority was given to them, as the scorpions of the earth have authority. And it was said to them that they should not harm the grass of the earth, nor every green thing, nor every tree, except only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And it was given to them that they should not kill them, but that they be tormented five months. And their torment is as the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man. And in those days men will seek death, and they will not find it. And they will long to die, yet death will flee from them. And the likenesses of the Locusts were like horses having been prepared for war; and on their heads as crowns, like gold; and their faces like the faces of men. And they had hairs like the hairs of women; and their teeth were like those of lions. And they had breastplates like iron breastplates; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running to war. And they have tails like scorpions, and their stings were in their tails; and their authority is to harm men five months. And they have a king over them, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name was Abaddon, and in Greek he has the name Apollyon. The first woe has departed; behold, after these things come two woes. And the sixth angel trumpeted. And I heard one voice out of the four horns of the golden altar before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Release the four angels, those having been bound at the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were released, those having been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men. And the number of the armies of the cavalry was two myriads of myriads; and I heard their number.And so I saw in the vision the horses, and those sitting on them, having fire-colored breastplates, even dusky red and brimstone-like; and the heads of the horses as heads of lions; and out of their mouths come fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three were killed the third part of men, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone coming out of their mouths. For their authority is in their mouth, and in their tails; for their tails are like snakes, having heads, and they do harm with them. And the rest of men, those not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they will not worship demons, and "golden idols, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols, which neither are able to see, nor to hear," nor to walk. Dan. 5:23; Psa. 115:4 -7; 135:15-17 And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornications, nor of their thefts.

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

are those really demons becaused
satan and his angels shall be punish un to the pits of hell
but unlike those creatures in the revelation 9 they were sent out to punish
those people that were hard headed for not changing their ways
as the scriptures says
For their authority is in their mouth, and in their tails; for their tails are like snakes, having heads, and they do harm with them. And the rest of men, those not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they will not worship demons, and "golden idols, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols, which neither are able to see, nor to hear," nor to walk.
therefore
as it is written
:read:
38*and the field is the world. And the good seed—these are the sons of the kingdom, but the darnel are the sons of the evil one.
39*And the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels.
40*Thus just as the darnel is gathered and burnedh with fire, so it will be at the end of the age.

... . AND
THE DEVIL ALONG WITH HIS DARNEL WHO CORRUPTED THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORSHIPPED GRAVEN IMAGES AND THOSE WHO HAVE A MARK OF THE BEAST SHALL BE PUNISH
WHEN THE TIME COMES
AND EVERYONE SHALL KNOW THEM FOR THEY TWISTED AND DISREGARD THE VERY WORDS OF GOD
WHO IS GOOD AND DOESNT LIE

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godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 13. 38.
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39. The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

THATS WHY THE DEVIL IS NOT BOUND RIGHT NOW
(and the op ask this question though it has its own oppinion)
AND AGAIN
SATAN IS NOT BOUND RIGHT NOW
JUST LOOK UNTO THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED GRAVEN IMAGES AND
TWISTING AND DISREGARDING THE VERY WORDS OF GOD WHO IS GOOD AND
DOENST LIE
AND NOT EVEN ACCEPTING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
AS SAVIOR AND THE WAY THE TRUTH AND LIFE THAT WE ALL WE EVER WANTED
ALONG WITH OUR LOVED ONES
IN THE KINGDOM OF THE ALMIGHTY FATHER

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godbless us all always

posthuman · Jul 9, 2016

oh look, and this thread is on page one!

i heard someone talking about this yesterday, and i accepted what he said, and believe it - and i wanted to go find this thread:

yes, Satan is bound right now.
but that binding is very specific: it does not mean he is powerless or that he does not directly influence anyone or control anyone who is given to him.

the scripture says that he will be set loose for a short time -- so yes, he is bound. but in what way? well, look at what he does the moment he is unbound: he deceives all the nations and brings them together to make war against the Lamb.
((in re: Revelation 20:7-10))

so this is how he is bound: not that he cannot influence people, not that he cannot tempt, not that he has no power, not that nothing is in his hand. he is bound from deceiving the nations fully and 'rallying all his forces' to make war against the Lamb. when he is set loose, he does exactly the thing he has been prevented from being able to do.

we don't need Satan to cause us to sin. our own hearts were wicked enough even without him.
what happens when he is released? does sin and wickedness suddenly spike all over the earth? blasphemy increases? nope -- he goes and deceives the nations, and they make war against the Lamb. he does the thing that he has been bound from doing. the thing his imprisonment prevents.

[HR][/HR]
i've resisted this idea in the past, because i was thinking about it the wrong way -- i thought, and justifiably, of course he is not "bound" -- he has power over people, and people are handed over to him. he is the god of the age, sending out the spirit of the age, prowling about like a roaring lion!
and all this is true. the Devil being bound does not mean he is completely powerless and immobile. he is on a short leash, and muzzled. "he is the Devil, but he is God's devil" -- a preacher has said. he is not "free" to do all he desires; he is bound.

when the time of the redemption of the elect who have been predestined by God to be found in Christ has been completed, the Lord will release him, and he will deceive all the nations, and make war. and fire from heaven will consume his armies, and he will be thrown into the pit.

amen!

i apologize for my previous foolishness; now i see this. thank you to anyone who tried to help me to see

((just hope i'm not still foolish here, and still don't really see LOL))

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

posthuman said:

:smoke: indeed my brethren
:happy: as it is written
:read:
The Parable of the Dragnet
47* “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was thrown into the sea and gathered fishn of every kind,
48*which when it was filled they pulled to shore and sat down ando collected the good fishp into containers, but the bad they threw out.
49*Thus it will be at the end of the age. The angels will go out and separate the evil from among the righteous
50*and throw them into the fiery furnace.q In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!
51*“Have you understood all these things?” They said to him, “Yes.”
52*And he said to them, “For this reason every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like the master of the house who brings out of his storeroom new things and old things.”

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godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

:rofl: this is what he :smoke: meant
((just hope i'm not still foolish here, and still don't really see LOL))

Cee · Jul 9, 2016

One idea here is the Holy Spirit is binding him.

2 Thes 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

This word "rebellion" is the idea of "falling away" or a "removing" of the covering.

I'm not teaching this, just sharing the idea.

posthuman said:

oh look, and this thread is on page one!

i heard someone talking about this yesterday, and i accepted what he said, and believe it - and i wanted to go find this thread:

yes, Satan is bound right now.
but that binding is very specific: it does not mean he is powerless or that he does not directly influence anyone or control anyone who is given to him.

the scripture says that he will be set loose for a short time -- so yes, he is bound. but in what way? well, look at what he does the moment he is unbound: he deceives all the nations and brings them together to make war against the Lamb.
((in re: Revelation 20:7-10))

so this is how he is bound: not that he cannot influence people, not that he cannot tempt, not that he has no power, not that nothing is in his hand. he is bound from deceiving the nations fully and 'rallying all his forces' to make war against the Lamb. when he is set loose, he does exactly the thing he has been prevented from being able to do.

we don't need Satan to cause us to sin. our own hearts were wicked enough even without him.
what happens when he is released? does sin and wickedness suddenly spike all over the earth? blasphemy increases? nope -- he goes and deceives the nations, and they make war against the Lamb. he does the thing that he has been bound from doing. the thing his imprisonment prevents.

[HR][/HR]
i've resisted this idea in the past, because i was thinking about it the wrong way -- i thought, and justifiably, of course he is not "bound" -- he has power over people, and people are handed over to him. he is the god of the age, sending out the spirit of the age, prowling about like a roaring lion!
and all this is true. the Devil being bound does not mean he is completely powerless and immobile. he is on a short leash, and muzzled. "he is the Devil, but he is God's devil" -- a preacher has said. he is not "free" to do all he desires; he is bound.

when the time of the redemption of the elect who have been predestined by God to be found in Christ has been completed, the Lord will release him, and he will deceive all the nations, and make war. and fire from heaven will consume his armies, and he will be thrown into the pit.

amen!

i apologize for my previous foolishness; now i see this. thank you to anyone who tried to help me to see

((just hope i'm not still foolish here, and still don't really see LOL))

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

as it is written
:read:
Pahayag: 19. 1.
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2. For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3. And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

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godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

Cee said:

:smoke: indeed my brethren
as it is written
:read:
Hosea: 13. 4.
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.
5. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
7. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
8. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

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godbless us all always

ukok102nak · Jul 9, 2016

:smoke: this is a mystery and it will be unfold when the time comes
as it is written
:read:
Isaias: 47. 7. And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8. Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

9. But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.
10. For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
11. Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

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godbless us all always

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