Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, Satan is bound in the sense that he can never totally deceive the nations. However, some believe that he will be let lose right before Christ's "so called" second coming. Satan's power has been greatly diminished at the cross, think about what the world was like back then, and what it is now. The world might be on a downward trend now, but it's much better then before Christ. Christ and His church have greatly influenced the world and God's word says the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church.

Brother I love ya and all. but ww1 and ww2 made all wars before and since look like a picnic..

Satans influence in the world has gotten stronger, and evil gets stronger every day.

His influence over individuals may be far less. as he has less power to overcome those given the spirit. But he is still at work in great ways.
 

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Brother, I have mutual love towards you...

What nation before Christ had God or acknowledge Him besides Israel? What nation back before Christ had the Geneva convention laws? I'm sure you know your old testament but maybe you should go back and re-read some of the awful and gruesome things they did in times of war...

ex. poking out eyes, cutting off body parts, slicing wombs of pregnant women, how about King Herod killing all the children 2 and under? How often do you hear of evil spirit possessions? Could they before Christ invoke the Lord's name and command them out? A lot of Christ's work was casting demons out of possessed people.

PS. I never said Satan wasn't at work or couldn't kill, steal or destroy...BUT Satan has NO POWER to hold back the Church in Christ, the church "in general" itself seems to doing a good job at defeating itself. Christians have the Power of Christ at their finger tips but they don't act like it half the time. WE NEED TO STAND UP and PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD.
 

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Yes, Satan is bound in the sense that he can never totally deceive the nations. However, some believe that he will be let lose right before Christ's "so called" second coming. Satan's power has been greatly diminished at the cross, think about what the world was like back then, and what it is now. The world might be on a downward trend now, but it's much better then before Christ. Christ and His church have greatly influenced the world and God's word says the gates of hades will not prevail against the Church.
Scripture states that when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, then an angel will descend from heaven having the key to the Abyss and will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss. This is the part that you people ignore. The Abyss is that place under the earth where those demons, collectively called Legion begged Jesus not to send them into. It is the same place where the beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to until the sounding of the fifth trumpet where at that time he will be let out. Therefore, at the time when Satan is bound it will be under the earth and he will be restricted there during the literal thousand year reign of Christ, which is why he will not be able to deceive the nations. He and his angels will be completely separated from those who are up on the earth's surface, so that he has no access to them at all. This is the type of binding that Rev.20:1 is speaking of.

When Christ was crucified he took Satan's and the powers of darkness ammunition away and that because the power of sin is the law. Jesus fulfilled the law and paid the penalty for our sins. That has not rendered Satan and his angels from deceiving and tempting. Christ's sacrifice did not bind Satan in the manner described in Rev.20:1. He is still out and about seeking whom he may devour, but when Christ returns and Satan is thrown into the Abyss, then he will be completely removed from access to the earth. And speaking of the world currently being "much better then before Christ" just wait, the day of the Lord is coming, which will be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. God's coming wrath will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and so the worst is yet to come, which is why Jesus is warning all believers to watch and be ready so that when the bridegroom comes those with the oil of readiness will be prepared to go as soon as the call goes out.
 
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Christ's sacrifice did not bind Satan in the manner described in Rev.20:1. .
Yes...it did...


Heb 2.14 - 15


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle (katargēsē)the one having the power of death, that is, the devil; and might set these free (apallaxē),asmany as by fear of deathwere subject to slavery through all the lifetime to live.


The reader is informed that at Jesus’ death:


· The Devil is rendered entirely idle (katargēsē)
· Because The Devil has been rendered impotent, this then sets people free (apallaxē)
 
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Scripture states that when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, then an angel will descend from heaven having the key to the Abyss and will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss. This is the part that you people ignore. The Abyss is that place under the earth where those demons, collectively called Legion begged Jesus not to send them into. It is the same place where the beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to until the sounding of the fifth trumpet where at that time he will be let out. Therefore, at the time when Satan is bound it will be under the earth and he will be restricted there during the literal thousand year reign of Christ, which is why he will not be able to deceive the nations. He and his angels will be completely separated from those who are up on the earth's surface, so that he has no access to them at all. This is the type of binding that Rev.20:1 is speaking of.

When Christ was crucified he took Satan's and the powers of darkness ammunition away and that because the power of sin is the law. Jesus fulfilled the law and paid the penalty for our sins. That has not rendered Satan and his angels from deceiving and tempting. Christ's sacrifice did not bind Satan in the manner described in Rev.20:1. He is still out and about seeking whom he may devour, but when Christ returns and Satan is thrown into the Abyss, then he will be completely removed from access to the earth. And speaking of the world currently being "much better then before Christ" just wait, the day of the Lord is coming, which will be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. God's coming wrath will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and so the worst is yet to come, which is why Jesus is warning all believers to watch and be ready so that when the bridegroom comes those with the oil of readiness will be prepared to go as soon as the call goes out.
Yes & most will be decieved
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Brother, I have mutual love towards you...

What nation before Christ had God or acknowledge Him besides Israel? What nation back before Christ had the Geneva convention laws? I'm sure you know your old testament but maybe you should go back and re-read some of the awful and gruesome things they did in times of war...

ex. poking out eyes, cutting off body parts, slicing wombs of pregnant women, how about King Herod killing all the children 2 and under? How often do you hear of evil spirit possessions? Could they before Christ invoke the Lord's name and command them out? A lot of Christ's work was casting demons out of possessed people.

PS. I never said Satan wasn't at work or couldn't kill, steal or destroy...BUT Satan has NO POWER to hold back the Church in Christ, the church "in general" itself seems to doing a good job at defeating itself. Christians have the Power of Christ at their finger tips but they don't act like it half the time. WE NEED TO STAND UP and PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD.

first I will speak on the evils.
Japan, did all those things and more. SO did germany and on top of all that, we have millions killed in two of the most horrific wars ever seen by mankind, and I believe the great tribulation jesus spoke of will make those two wars look like a peace party. But that is beside the point.


second,, I see where you are coming from. And I agree 100 %.. he has no power to hold back the church, the church wil go into all the world no matter what country, no matter what evil dictator Satan controls, and rescue people and bring them to Christ.


But that is not the context of the passage, the context of the passage is not that he will not be able to stop the church, he never will (in fact he never was able to in the history of the world, he almost did once, but God sent the flood and stopped him)

The context is decieving nations. He is actively doing that as we speak, and has been since the dawn of time. When he convinced eve to sin.
 

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Scripture states that when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, then an angel will descend from heaven having the key to the Abyss and will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss. This is the part that you people ignore.
Actually Scripture does not say that at all. That is what you read into it quite falsely. We know that the binding of Satan occurred before Revelation 9 for his release as the Destroyer is described there. The same event is in mind in Rev 17.8.

There is no mention of a millennial kingdom on earth in Revelation, and indeed no mention of it anywhere in Scripture. Jesus, Paul and Peter knew nothing of it. So like Jesus we certainly ignore your fictitious millennium.



The Abyss is that place under the earth where those demons, collectively called Legion begged Jesus not to send them into.
Where does it say that it is 'under the earth'.? Your thinking is primitive. Spiritual beings could not be confined in an earthly 'place'. The Abyss, like Heaven is a spiritual sphere not of this dimension.

It is the same place where the beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to until the sounding of the fifth trumpet where at that time he will be let out.
yes at the same time as the evil angels of chapter 9, and the King of the angels, the Destroyer. It is significant that once Christ had risen and established His church there is no mention in Revelation of Satan. He was confined in, and operating from , the Abyss.


Therefore, at the time when Satan is bound it will be under the earth and he will be restricted there during the literal thousand year reign of Christ, which is why he will not be able to deceive the nations.
Satan could not be bound under the earth. He is a mighty spirit being. His binding is by the Spirit through the activity of Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with earth. How naive to think otherwise.

He and his angels will be completely separated from those who are up on the earth's surface, so that he has no access to them at all. This is the type of binding that Rev.20:1 is speaking of.
Pure invention. Satan could not be restricted in a spiritual place.

When Christ was crucified he took Satan's and the powers of darkness ammunition away
You err not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. Satan was bound by Jesus while He was on earth (Matt 12.28-29), and this was partly emphasised by the ability of the Apostles to cast out evil spirits. They could only do this because Jesus had bound Satan. . The Apostles were able to rejoice because Satan had fallen from Heaven.

The cross further sealed his fate in that his most powerful supporter were led in chains by Jesus (Col 2.15)


and that because the power of sin is the law. Jesus fulfilled the law and paid the penalty for our sins. That has not rendered Satan and his angels from deceiving and tempting.
your vivid imagination again. That had little to do with the defeat of Satan. Satan and his minions can only deceive and tempt us when God lifts His restraint a little. He is limited in what he can do. Your problem is partly that you think of Satan as a physical being, which he is not.

Christ's sacrifice did not bind Satan in the manner described in Rev.20:1.
It did not need to. He had already been bound by Jesus during His lifetime (Matt 12.28-29).


He is still out and about seeking whom he may devour,
No he is not. That verse was referring to human activity stirred up by him through his minions operating from the Abyss.



but when Christ returns and Satan is thrown into the Abyss,
Nowhere does it refer to Satan being thrown in the Abyss after Christ's return. Then, along with the Beast and false prophet he is thrown in the Lake of Fire. Rev 20 is a new vision, not a continuation of Rev 19. That is clear from the fact that Rev 20 is a resume of what has been said before, the release of Satan from the Abyss in rev 9, the short time following his release (rev 17), the continuing reign of Christ and His followers OVER the earth for a long period of time ('a thousand years'), and the final judgment which will occur at Christ's return when the Beast, the false prophet and Satan will be cast in the Lake of fire along with all whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life.


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And speaking of the world currently being "much better then before Christ" just wait, the day of the Lord is coming, which will be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again.
Pure supposition.

God's coming wrath will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and so the worst is yet to come,
Nonsense, the seals, trumpets and vials have been being carried out through the centuries since the time of John.

which is why Jesus is warning all believers to watch and be ready so that when the bridegroom comes those with the oil of readiness will be prepared to go as soon as the call goes out.
That is in preparation for His coming not in readiness for a fictitious 'great tribulation'. Great tribulation as described in Matt 24 Rev 7 has been occurring through history, the former on the Jews, the latter on Christ's people.
 
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Actually Scripture does not say that at all. That is what you read into it quite falsely. We know that the binding of Satan occurred before Revelation 9 for his release as the Destroyer is described there. The same event is in mind in Rev 17.8.

There is no mention of a millennial kingdom on earth in Revelation, and indeed no mention of it anywhere in Scripture. Jesus, Paul and Peter knew nothing of it. So like Jesus we certainly ignore your fictitious millennium.
The prophets spoke of it Jesus refered to it, Paul hit on it in romans 11, and john spent alot of revelation teaching on it.

Maybe we read different scripture?



Satan could not be bound under the earth. He is a mighty spirit being. His binding is by the Spirit through the activity of Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with earth. How naive to think otherwise.
so God has no power over satan that he can not bind him wherever he wants too?

Your logic is flawed


Pure invention. Satan could not be restricted in a spiritual place.
Pure rejection of the power of God over satan..If God wants to do that, He will do it, whether you think he can or not.

do you really want us to think you understand the word of God when you do not even understand the power of God?
 

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The prophets spoke of it Jesus refered to it, Paul hit on it in romans 11, and john spent alot of revelation teaching on it.


Nonsense. That is simply your assumption. The prophets mainly pointed to the first coming of Christ using Old Testament conceptions. Jesus NEVER referred to it. Paul makes no mention of it in Rom 11. John is misunderstood by those who fantasise about a period of 1000 years after Christ's coming because tey do not understand the Bible use of numbers and are gripped by modern heresies...

Maybe we read different scripture?
Maybe you read your own ideas into Scripture?



so God has no power over satan that he can not bind him wherever he wants too?


Now you are being silly as I already pointed out that God bound Satan through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He does not need to keep doing it again and again.

Your logic is flawed
LOL LOL no answer then?
 

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John is misunderstood by those who fantasise about a period of 1000 years after Christ's coming because tey do not understand the Bible use of numbers and are gripped by modern heresies...
Fantasize? I beg to differ, as we can read right in Scripture "a thousand years." It is those who believe that we are currently living in that thousand year period, which they say is not a thousand years but an unknown amount of time, who symbolize the thousand years and so the burden of proof is on those who do so. You have to take that thousand years and ignore its literal meaning in order to come to your conclusion by using some ridiculous numbering system.

* He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

* He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.

* They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

* The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended

* The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

* When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

As I said, the burden of proof is on those who believe that the thousand years is not a literal thousand. The Scriptures above are consistent that it is a thousand year period and the only way that you can make that not so is to circumventing and distorting the word of God.

How about that, even all of the major translations recognize it as a thousand years:

Parallel Verses
New International Version
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

New Living Translation
He seized the dragon--that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan--and bound him in chains for a thousand years.

English Standard Version
And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Berean Study Bible
He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Berean Literal Bible
And he seized the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

New American Standard Bible
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

King James Bible
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.

International Standard Version
He captured the dragon, that ancient serpent, also known as the devil and Satan, and tied him up for a thousand years.

NET Bible
He seized the dragon--the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan--and tied him up for a thousand years.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he seized The Dragon and The Ancient Serpent, which is The Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He overpowered the serpent, that ancient snake, named Devil and Satan. The angel chained up the serpent for 1,000 years.

New American Standard 1977
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Jubilee Bible 2000
And he laid hold on the dragon, the serpent of old, which is the Devil and Satan and bound him a thousand years

King James 2000 Bible
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

American King James Version
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

American Standard Version
And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Darby Bible Translation
And he laid hold of the dragon, the ancient serpent who is [the] devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

English Revised Version
And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Webster's Bible Translation
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.

Weymouth New Testament
He laid hold of the Dragon--the ancient serpent--who is the Devil and the Adversary, and bound him for a thousand years, and hurled him into the bottomless pit.

World English Bible
He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,

Young's Literal Translation
and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years,
 
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valiant

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Fantasize? I beg to differ, as we can read right in Scripture "a thousand years." It is those who believe that we are currently living in that thousand year period, which they say is not a thousand years but an unknown amount of time, who symbolize the thousand years and so the burden of proof is on those who do so.


I suggest you look at the use of 'a thousand' throughout the Old Testament where you will find that it constantly means ' a large number' . Thus the cattle on a thousand hills were not really on a thousand hills they were on a large number of hills. The law to a thousand generations was not really for a thousand generations, it was for a large uncountable number of generations. And so we could go on. It is you who apply modern ideas to an ancient text. I accept what God says.


You have to take that thousand years and ignore its literal meaning in order to come to your conclusion by using some ridiculous numbering system.
Will you tell God that His numbering system in the OT is ridiculous, or shall I?
 
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Strange how you can't reference scripture for your opinion...
Uh,ok you are right.
He actually has a bow and arrows.millions of them.He actually sets fire to them and shoots them into your shield.
Hence,in your literal wooden shield of faith,that is the reason for the fire extinguisher strapped to the inside.

And yes,just because he uses words in his attacking we will all just ignore the obvious since the firey darts interpretation just went into bizarre -ville

Oh,btw your dart "revelation" is in Ephesians' about Ch 5 or so
 
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eternally-gratefull

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[/B][/COLOR]Nonsense. That is simply your assumption. The prophets mainly pointed to the first coming of Christ using Old Testament conceptions. Jesus NEVER referred to it. Paul makes no mention of it in Rom 11. John is misunderstood by those who fantasise about a period of 1000 years after Christ's coming because tey do not understand the Bible use of numbers and are gripped by modern heresies...
Actually your wrong. Very little is spoken about the first advent, That is why Israel could not get it, Even the disciples did not get it until the resurrection when their eyes could be opened.

Here is just a few of the messianic prophesies


Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.
5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

Zechariah 14:9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty

From these three passages we learn these things about who this messiah would be and what he would do.

1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.

This is not the first advent of Christ, And I just chose three prophesies.




Maybe you read your own ideas into Scripture?
My Idea? No. See above

And I can give you pages and pages of other passages



Now you are being silly as I already pointed out that God bound Satan through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He does not need to keep doing it again and again.
Tell that to those who have suffered, are suffering and will suffer at the hand of evil dictators at the hand of satan and his (as you call it) non existent deception.

To say satan is bound is to say God is in control of all the evil in the world. and he is not just being patient as he claimed.




LOL LOL no answer then?
yeah, Your logic is still flawed
 
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Actually your wrong. Very little is spoken about the first advent, That is why Israel could not get it, Even the disciples did not get it until the resurrection when their eyes could be opened.

Here is just a few of the messianic prophesies


Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.
5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

Zechariah 14:9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty

From these three passages we learn these things about who this messiah would be and what he would do.

1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.

This is not the first advent of Christ, And I just chose three prophesies.





My Idea? No. See above

And I can give you pages and pages of other passages




Tell that to those who have suffered, are suffering and will suffer at the hand of evil dictators at the hand of satan and his (as you call it) non existent deception.

To say satan is bound is to say God is in control of all the evil in the world. and he is not just being patient as he claimed.






yeah, Your logic is still flawed
Ok,this is very close.
His first advent was a "people purchase".To set man right with God,through the new priesthood.

IOW a people kingdom vs an earthly one.

This is why there is no devil bound dimension. Only part of mankind is set right . IOW there is a"need"for a devil at this time,as their will be at the end of the millennium.

He is defeated. He is stripped of AUTHORITY/POWER.

That is WHY he must be re-empowered in the GT.
 
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As I said, the burden of proof is on those who believe that the thousand years is not a literal thousand. The Scriptures above are consistent that it is a thousand year period and the only way that you can make that not so is to circumventing and distorting the word of God.

You were already shown the Greek word rendered as 'thousand' in Rev 20.

Your task is to deal with it in lieu of running from it...
 

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first I will speak on the evils.
Japan, did all those things and more. SO did germany and on top of all that, we have millions killed in two of the most horrific wars ever seen by mankind, and I believe the great tribulation jesus spoke of will make those two wars look like a peace party. But that is beside the point.


second,, I see where you are coming from. And I agree 100 %.. he has no power to hold back the church, the church wil go into all the world no matter what country, no matter what evil dictator Satan controls, and rescue people and bring them to Christ.


But that is not the context of the passage, the context of the passage is not that he will not be able to stop the church, he never will (in fact he never was able to in the history of the world, he almost did once, but God sent the flood and stopped him)

The context is decieving nations. He is actively doing that as we speak, and has been since the dawn of time. When he convinced eve to sin.
EG, the ruling heads to the nations maybe deceived, as well as the elite. But what I think John sees is that God is telling that the nations we will no longer be totally deceived by Satan in that Satan will never be able to with hold the gospel from entering these nations. We see this in nations who don't allow bibles or Christian gatherings such as China and Russia.

BTW, the flood is an indication that the everyone world had total went evil and did wickedness. Many times you have read about the Israelites in the OT and how they had all (but a few) been extremely wicked....

Nehemiah 9:26
"But they were disobedient and rebelled against you; they turned their backs on your law. They killed your prophets, who had warned them in order to turn them back to you; they committed awful blasphemies

I could give you perhaps hundreds of examples concerning the Israelites and all the surrounding nations.


Same with Sodom and Gen 13:!3, the men were wicked exceedingly the bible says.

God was about to destroy Nineveh because of their wickedness if they didn't repent (I believe a picture of the Church).

Israel was saved from Egypt and saw the light of God in all the miracles He did before, and they still did not believe and obey Him (Only 2 of the original went into the promise land, WOW!!)... The Israelites demonstrated over and over they could not obey God although God always had a remnant. The Church doesn't nearly have this dilemma, because of Christ in us and the Holy Spirit (not saying the universal church doesn't have it's problems, but we are not completely apostate).

I honestly can understand how you can't see this, the laws of this nation and many other nations recognize(d) the laws of God in the OT were superior and good (the bible says this) and built their laws upon them. The Bible, best selling book of the world, the Holy Spirit and especially Christ has changed and influenced this world in this age more then you recognize. Take all them out and can you honestly this world wouldn't be worse off?

Let ask you this and hopefully I can get you think about it a bit. In the Millennium, you believe that Christ will literally reign in Jerusalem, will the world be mostly Christianized? I think you say Christ will reign with an Iron scepter, I think your take is Christ will be in complete control of everything (I think He already is, in a since, He allows wickedness for an extent to bring forth good...in other words He uses it). But I believe your belief is that Satan is bound for this period, and Christ's earthly kingdom on earth reigns supreme. Am I right in assuming this what you believe?
 

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I'll be back tomorrow or asap to see your answer and response. Till then, May God bless you richly.
 
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I'm still learning about the word, so I may totally be off here, so please don't fault me. We are all brothers & sisters in Christ & are here to share & learn. This is just my understanding:
1. satan is bound in heaven right now.
2. satan's evil spirits are here on earth.
3. satan is fought by Micheal & other angles & defeated in heaven.
4. satan will be cast out of heaven upon earth (defacto) which this will be done before the millennium (1000 yr period) while we are still on earth. Woe to those on earth.
5. During the 1000 yr period (second advent- book of Luke, after the true Christ comes first), satan will be locked up so that he will not have direct influence (during this time of teaching). During this period we are already in another demention.
6. During this 1000 year period (which was set for a time of teaching), is without influence of satan (which is why he is bound).
7. He will then be set loose for a short time (I think). Which can be a time that even though we are in a time of teaching our souls are still be liable to die (if we don't accept the teachings of our Lord). Those who overcame already (those that already have have a covenant with God) will rein with God during this 1000 yr period.
8. After this short period (satan let loose), those who are still defiant, their souls will be cast out along with satan to perish, forever.
9. Earth becomes Heaven & the remaining spirits that believe & overcame the second death, become spirits that will have eternal life with our heavenly Father.
Also, what is that 1000 year period ? It could be just 1 day, since we are in a different deminsion. One day with the Lord, is like a 1000 years our time. His time is different there in His dimension. Something to think about.
I could be off on my understanding, so I welcome replies.
Thank you brothers & sisters in Christ.
 

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Hello carolb,

If I may, I would like to go over these with you.

1. satan is bound in heaven right now.
How are you coming to the conclusion that Satan is currently bound in heaven? According to different Scriptures, Satan and his angels currently have access to both heaven and the earth, which is why they are referred to as principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places. Job demonstrated that Satan has access to heaven by presenting himself before God with the son's of God, the holy angels and Revelation states that he accuses believers before God day and night.

4. satan will be cast out of heaven upon earth (defacto) which this will be done before the millennium (1000 yr period) while we are still on earth. Woe to those on earth.
You are correct here in that, in the middle of Daniels seven year period (Dan.9:27), Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth (Rev.12:4,7-9). We know that this will take place in the middle because, when he finds himself cast to the earth, he goes after the woman/Israel of whom it is said will be cared for out in the desert for 1,260 days, also referred to as a time, times and a half a time, both equaling 3 1/2 years (Rev.12:6, 14). And your reference to "Woe to those on the earth" is in fact the third woe.

He will then be set loose for a short time (I think).
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released from the Abyss for a short time. ( Rev.20:3, 7)

Which can be a time that even though we are in a time of teaching our souls are still be liable to die (if we don't accept the teachings of our Lord).
Those who have died in Christ from the onset of the church until the time he appears will be resurrected first, then we believers who are still alive at that time will be changed into our glorified bodies and caught up with them in the clouds where the whole group meets the Lord in the air, where we become like the angels of heaven (Mt.22:30). Those great tribulation saints who will have been killed during the tribulation will also be resurrected and rule with Christ during that 1000 years in their glorified bodies (Rev.20:4). Those who will be here in their mortal bodies during the 1000 year period will be the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years and the great tribulation saints (Gentiles) who will have survived the great tribulation period in their mortal bodies until Christ returns to end the age. Both of these groups will repopulate the earth during the 1000 year period. Once our bodies are transformed into those glorified bodies, we become eternal and therefore cannot die any more. We be on earth ruling with Christ in those glorified bodies.

9. Earth becomes Heaven & the remaining spirits that believe & overcame the second death, become spirits that will have eternal life with our heavenly Father.
Earth never becomes heaven, but after the 1000 years and the great white throne judgment, this current heaven and earth depart and God creates a new heaven, new earth and the new Jerusalem comes down and is apart of the new heavens and new earth which all of the righteous will have access to (Rev.20:11-14, 21:1)

Also, what is that 1000 year period ? It could be just 1 day, since we are in a different deminsion. One day with the Lord, is like a 1000 years our time.
The 1000 years is mentioned six times in Rev.20:1-7, which means that scripture is speaking of a literal 1000 years. To further support this, there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to infer that the 1000 years as being symbolic. The only way that one could do this is by distorting or circumventing the Scripture or simply by just ignoring it, which many do. Regarding your reference to "a different dimension," since the 1000 years will be taking place here on earth with mortal people populating it, days will continue to be 24 hours in length just as they are now.

One day with the Lord, is like a 1000 years our time
Peter uses the phrase above in 2 Pet.3:8 in reference to the Lord's patience in bringing the destruction of the earth, not wanting anyone to perish. This saying was never meant to be used as a plumb line in order to figure out prophesies, as some have used it. In other words, a day does not equal a 1000 years prophetically. It is meant to show that God is not restricted to time nor does time affect him as it does us, for he exists outside of time in the eternal state and can also interact within time.

I hope that this helps some :)