Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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Not only has this horse been beaten to death.....the flesh has rotted off the bones, they have been picked clean, scattered and turned to rock, been buried and excavated by the archeologists and placed in the museum.....!

Satan as a roaring LION walks around seeking whom HE may devour.........WAKE UP!
 

Ahwatukee

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Secondly, Heb 2:14-17 states that through death Christ defeated Satan
Your claim above is what you are having a problem with Cassian. For Christ's defeating Satan on the cross is not the same event as his future binding of Satan in the Abyss. You are reading into the above scripture was is not there. To be clear, you are applying Christ's disarming of the powers of darkness as being his binding in the Abyss and no where does it state that Christ's death is the fulfillment of that binding.

The law is the power of sin. When Jesus was here he met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf bringing the law to its fulfillment. And by fulfilling the law, he disarmed the powers of darkness, because we could not keep the law and as a result, the law brings death. But now that we are no longer under the law, but are saved by grace through faith, Satan and the powers of darkness lost their power over us, but their power to deceive and tempt has not diminished. This has nothing to do with the future, literal binding of Satan in the Abyss. This will be a literal binding under the earth in the Abyss so that neither Satan nor the powers of darkness will have any exposure or access to the inhabitants of the earth, which is why they will not be able to deceive anyone. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will then be let out for a short time and will deceive and gather those people of Gog and Magog where they be destroyed by fire out of heaven, at which time Satan will then be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier.

Conclusion: You are misapplying Christ's death as the binding of Satan in Rev.20:1-2, when Scripture clearly shows that the binding in the Abyss takes place after the Lord returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, as shown in Rev.19:11-21. The order according to Revelation is as follows:

* Daniel's seven year period (Dan.9:27)

* Christ return to end the age (Mt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21)

* Beast and false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20)

* Kings, generals, their armies killed by the double edged sword (Rev.19:17-18,20)

* Satan bound in the Abyss during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-7)

My prayer for you is that you would stop misapplying Scripture and pay attention to the context of scripture.
 
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Hebrews 2:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now since the children have flesh and blood in common, Jesus also shared in these, so that through His death He might destroy the one holding the power of death—that is, the Devil—

Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

Hebrews 2:14 (ASV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP] Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Hebrews 2:14 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil--OKAY, I give up. I have WORDsearch 10, Bible software, with 25 English Translations; and NOT ONE OF THEM WORDED HEB. 2:14 the way your quote reads. WHAT TRANSLATION are you using? ? ? And PLEASE do not tell me the NWT.
MOST of them worded it the way the Holman's Christian Standard Bible and the New King James version did.






I use the literal renderings of the Greek.





THAT certainly is not talking about binding Satan at the Cross.


It most certainly is.

Observe...

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;






καταργηση = ‘katargēsē’


katargēsē’ definition:

Strong’s #G2673. Aorist tense verb, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] person singular. The Devil is to be reduced to inactivity through the death of Christ (Heb 2.14). The Epistle to the Hebrews fills out this declaration by stating that through the death of Christ even the one who has power over death, the devil, is condemned to inactivity or ineffectiveness in relation to the Christian (Heb 2.14).To cause something to come to an end or no longer in existence, abolish, wipe out, set aside. To render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. To cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. To deprive of force, influence, power. To cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. To cease, to pass away, be done away. To be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one. To terminate all intercourse with one. to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void. To cause something to be unproductive, use up, exhaust, waste. To cause something to lose its power or effectiveness, invalidate, make powerless. From #G2596 & #G691.



Strong’s #G2596. Down from.

Strong’s #G691. To be idle.



References:

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume one, pp. 452 - 454
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 525 - 526
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Joseph H. Thayer, p. 336
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, pp. 841 - 842
The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 133

The lexicons and proper exegesis confirm my position that Satan was bound at the Cross.


 
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Here is the evidence from Scripture that you are trying to read into that verse, SOMETHING THAT JUST IS NOT THERE.

1 Corinthians 15:54-55 (HCSB)
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP] Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?


You are ignoring context.

Compare to where the same exact term ‘katargēsē’ is used in 1Cor…

1 Cor 15.20 - 26


But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming.Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power.For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet;the last hostile thing made to cease is death.




The reader is informed of an ordered sequence of events:


· The First Resurrection: Christ first, then The Righteous at His return (i.e. at the end of His reign)
· Binding of Satan: The Devil (singular) is rendered entirely idle and occurs BEFORE the reign of Christ (i.e. at Jesus’ death upon the Cross)
· Reigning Period: There is a period of Christ reigning (i.e. 1,000 years, etc) until all the enemies (plural, demons) are conquered
· The Second Resurrection: (Second Death – when Satan & death are defeated). This is the end of time – which occurs AFTER Jesus has delivered up the kingdom and AFTER Jesus had first bound Satan.






Again, we can see agreement in other scripture that Satan is first bound at the Cross – which is followed by the ‘1000 year’ reign of Christ, in which The Righteous are allowed to come to Christ without the direct blockage of Satan.
 
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1 Peter 5:8-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be serious! Be alert! Your adversary the Devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Resist him and be firm in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are being experienced by your fellow believers throughout the world.

1 Peter 5.8


νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

psate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;




This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).


Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.
 
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NO WAY IS THE DEVIL ALREADY BOUND.


Scripture states very plainly that he is bound.

You should be happy.

Once you accept this fact....you (and others) will need to recalibrate your time scale and see that the '1K year reign' is not literal and not a future event...




Dr. John MacArthur's Commentary on Heb. 2:14:
You just quoted a different event.

The death of Christ is what binds Satan.
 

Ahwatukee

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Again, we can see agreement in other scripture that Satan is first bound at the Cross – which is followed by the ‘1000 year’ reign of Christ, in which The Righteous are allowed to come to Christ without the direct blockage of Satan.
It is the same theme with all of these amils, they leave out the fact that Rev.20:1-2 says that Satan is bound in the Abyss, which is a literal location under the earth. It is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into. So when Satan is bound at the end of Daniel's seven years when Christ returns, it will be in the Abyss where he can't get out. Your error, as well Cassian's, is that you apply Satan's and the powers of darkness' defeat at the cross as relating it to the binding of Rev.20:1-2 when they are two completely different events.
 

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Your claim above is what you are having a problem with Cassian. For Christ's defeating Satan on the cross is not the same event as his future binding of Satan in the Abyss. You are reading into the above scripture was is not there. To be clear, you are applying Christ's disarming of the powers of darkness as being his binding in the Abyss and no where does it state that Christ's death is the fulfillment of that binding.

The law is the power of sin. When Jesus was here he met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf bringing the law to its fulfillment. And by fulfilling the law, he disarmed the powers of darkness, because we could not keep the law and as a result, the law brings death. But now that we are no longer under the law, but are saved by grace through faith, Satan and the powers of darkness lost their power over us, but their power to deceive and tempt has not diminished. This has nothing to do with the future, literal binding of Satan in the Abyss. This will be a literal binding under the earth in the Abyss so that neither Satan nor the powers of darkness will have any exposure or access to the inhabitants of the earth, which is why they will not be able to deceive anyone. At the end of the thousand years, Satan will then be let out for a short time and will deceive and gather those people of Gog and Magog where they be destroyed by fire out of heaven, at which time Satan will then be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier.

Conclusion: You are misapplying Christ's death as the binding of Satan in Rev.20:1-2, when Scripture clearly shows that the binding in the Abyss takes place after the Lord returns to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, as shown in Rev.19:11-21. The order according to Revelation is as follows:

* Daniel's seven year period (Dan.9:27)

* Christ return to end the age (Mt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, 19:11-21)

* Beast and false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20)

* Kings, generals, their armies killed by the double edged sword (Rev.19:17-18,20)

* Satan bound in the Abyss during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-7)

My prayer for you is that you would stop misapplying Scripture and pay attention to the context of scripture.
Maybe your scripture states it because you depend on modern man made theories of interpretation. I don't think modern theories will change what the Gospel has meant since the early Church received it.
 
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Lol...no....

It is the same theme with all of these amils, they leave out the fact that Rev.20:1-2 says that Satan is bound in the Abyss, which is a literal location under the earth. It is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into.
The abyss is NOT a physical location in the depths of the earth...that is a later Judaism definition of the term.

For Biblical usage, the lexicons define it as a 'prison for spirits'.





So when Satan is bound at the end of Daniel's seven years when Christ returns, it will be in the Abyss where he can't get out.
Satan was bound at The Cross.

I have shown you directly in scripture where this is stated, numerous times....and you willfully ignore it.

Shame on you.





Your error, as well Cassian's, is that you apply Satan's and the powers of darkness' defeat at the cross as relating it to the binding of Rev.20:1-2 when they are two completely different events.
No.

This is the same event.

In fact, the binding of Satan is repeated numerous times throughout Revelation...as is the style of Revelation, to keep repeating the same events over and over again with varying epithets...
 

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It is the same theme with all of these amils, they leave out the fact that Rev.20:1-2 says that Satan is bound in the Abyss, which is a literal location under the earth. It is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into. So when Satan is bound at the end of Daniel's seven years when Christ returns, it will be in the Abyss where he can't get out. Your error, as well Cassian's, is that you apply Satan's and the powers of darkness' defeat at the cross as relating it to the binding of Rev.20:1-2 when they are two completely different events.
Contrary to your theory, rather than the teaching of scripture, Rev 20:2 is precisely the advent of Christ of His first coming. Why would He bind Satan at the end of time. At the end of time Satan will be destroyed, not bound.

That pit is hades, the place that Jesus descended into and took captive those that were held captive by death.
 

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Maybe your scripture states it because you depend on modern man made theories of interpretation. I don't think modern theories will change what the Gospel has meant since the early Church received it.
It's not a theory Cassian, it is the plain word of God. It can't be theory if I am providing the Scriptures to backup my claim. I have no teachers. No one has taught me. All of my understanding comes from God's word which I have been studying for most of my life. On the other hand, you and others are merely repeating what you have been taught and you continue to fight tooth and nail to protect the interpretations of others which you adopted. As I said, your problem is misapplication of Scripture and the spiritualizing of it. I can guarantee you that we are not living in the thousand years, which according to you is not a real thousand years, but an unknown amount of time and that because you erroneously apply the formula of Psalms 50:10 to Rev.20:1-2 without any reason whatsoever. And you misapply many Scriptures in this manner.

My only concern is to present the truth and accuracy of God's word and so when I see his word being distorted and circumvented, then I am compelled to contend for the truth. You and others who believe the same, do not pay attention to the details of Scripture. Read the word of God at face value. lf the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. Stop symbolizing what is meant to be literal. Keep events in their proper chronological order. I respect true Bereans, but grieve over people who distort and circumvent scripture.
 
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Ahwatukee

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Re: Lol...no....

The abyss is NOT a physical location in the depths of the earth...that is a later Judaism definition of the term.

For Biblical usage, the lexicons define it as a 'prison for spirits'.







Satan was bound at The Cross.

I have shown you directly in scripture where this is stated, numerous times....and you willfully ignore it.

Shame on you.







No.

This is the same event.

In fact, the binding of Satan is repeated numerous times throughout Revelation...as is the style of Revelation, to keep repeating the same events over and over again with varying epithets...
Bowman, you have no idea what you are talking about! I have already given you two places in Scripture where the Abyss is mentioned, once regarding Legion and the other is regarding those demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss at the fifth trumpet. So, please don't even try to convince me or anyone that a "later Judaism definition of the term." The fact is that it is a literal place as I have already demonstrated from Scripture. What you are doing here is exactly what I am talking about that amillennialists do by circumventing scripture. The idea is, it is damaging to your position so you attempt to redefine it. I tell you and show you that the Abyss is a real place that Scripture states that Satan is bound in and so you attempt to get rid of the Abyss as a literal place and because it is where Satan is bound and kills your position.

In fact, the binding of Satan is repeated numerous times throughout Revelation...as is the style of Revelation, to keep repeating the same events over and over again with varying epithets...
Satan is spoken of being bound only once in the book of Revelation. Please reveal to me these other places where the binding of Satan is repeated. I'm sure that it will only be another misapplication on your part.

 
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Re: Lol...no....

Bowman, you have no idea what you are talking about! I have already given you two places in Scripture where the Abyss is mentioned, once regarding Legion and the other is regarding those demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss at the fifth trumpet.


Vague references to scripture without even defining the term in question helps you out, how....exactly?

It doesn't.





So, please don't even try to convince me or anyone that a "later Judaism definition of the term."
You can't change the lexicons.




The fact is that it is a literal place as I have already demonstrated from Scripture.
Show us your exegesis.





Satan is spoken of being bound only once in the book of Revelation. Please reveal to me these other places where the binding of Satan is repeated.

And she bore a Son, the Male, who is going to shepherd all the nations with an iron staff. And her child was caught away to God, and to His throne. And the female fled into the wilderness, where she had a place, it having been prepared from God, that there they might nourish her a thousand two hundred and sixty days. (Rev 12.5 – 6)
 

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I use the literal renderings of the Greek.


It most certainly is.

Observe...

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

καταργηση = ‘katargēsē’


katargēsē’ definition:

Strong’s #G2673. Aorist tense verb, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] person singular. The Devil is to be reduced to inactivity through the death of Christ (Heb 2.14). The Epistle to the Hebrews fills out this declaration by stating that through the death of Christ even the one who has power over death, the devil, is condemned to inactivity or ineffectiveness in relation to the Christian (Heb 2.14).To cause something to come to an end or no longer in existence, abolish, wipe out, set aside. To render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. To cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. To deprive of force, influence, power. To cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish. To cease, to pass away, be done away. To be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one. To terminate all intercourse with one. to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void. To cause something to be unproductive, use up, exhaust, waste. To cause something to lose its power or effectiveness, invalidate, make powerless. From #G2596 & #G691.



Strong’s #G2596. Down from.

Strong’s #G691. To be idle.



References:

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT), Gerhard Kittel, Gerhard Friedrich, & Geoffrey W. Bromiley, volume one, pp. 452 - 454
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Literature, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] edition (BDAG), Frederick William Danker, pp. 525 - 526
Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Joseph H. Thayer, p. 336
The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary of the New Testament, Warren Baker, Warren Baker, based on the lexicons of Edward Robinson & John Parkhurst, pp. 841 - 842
The New Strong’s expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible (red-letter edition), James Strong, LL.D., S.T.D., p. 133

The lexicons and proper exegesis confirm my position that Satan was bound at the Cross.



In other words YOU ARE DOING YOUR OWN TRANSLATING, with NO ONE TO CHECK YOUR WORK.

NO WONDER I could find NO TRANSLATION that agrees with YOUR RENDERING.
 
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In other words YOU ARE DOING YOUR OWN TRANSLATING, with NO ONE TO CHECK YOUR WORK.

NO WONDER I could find NO TRANSLATION that agrees with YOUR RENDERING.

If you only knew Greek, then you could provide a rebuttal...

 
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Church, don't beware of your adversary the Devil because he is bound. Right Bowman. :)
 

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Ahwatukee,

It's not a theory Cassian, it is the plain word of God. It can't be theory if I am providing the Scriptures to backup my claim. I have no teachers. No one has taught me. All of my understanding comes from God's word which I have been studying for most of my life.
Man can provide scripture for anything they desire to have scripture mean. Why do you think there are literally hundreds of interpretations of a single book. The fact that you admit it is your personal interpretration just substantiates the falseness of your view.

On the other hand, you and others are merely repeating what you have been taught and you continue to fight tooth and nail to protect the interpretations of others which you adopted. As I said, your problem is misapplication of Scripture and the spiritualizing of it.
The fact is that the Holy Spirit gave ONLY one Gospel. He gave it via the Apostles and has preserved it unchanged since. This is why it is so easy to determine false teaching. It has not been believed from the beginning. The additional fact, notwithstanding your denial, it can easily be shown to be a modern view and begun by an individual. The fact that it has not even been consistant for even those 200 years is another reason is it false. Other portrayers of misinterpretions denounce each others views which hardly makes it the Gospel once given.

I can guarantee you that we are not living in the thousand years, which according to you is not a real thousand years, but an unknown amount of time and that because you erroneously apply the formula of Psalms 50:10 to Rev.20:1-2 without any reason whatsoever. And you misapply many Scriptures in this manner.
making claims with no evidence hardly disproves anything. I don't need Ps 50:10 when Christ stated that HE bound Satan when He entered Hades. He did that ONLY once and He has already done this at His first coming which is also what Rev 20:2 is depicting. You will need to refute that Christ came to defeat death, as well as He did not rise from the dead thus fail to defeat death.
You will need to find texts that refute Heb 2:14-17, I John 3:8, Matt 12:29 Luke 11:21, Mark 3:27, Eph 4:8, Ps 68:18, as well as 2000 years of unchanged understanding.
 

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You are ignoring context.

Compare to where the same exact term ‘katargēsē’ is used in 1Cor…

1 Cor 15.20 - 26


But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming.Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power.For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet;the last hostile thing made to cease is death.




The reader is informed of an ordered sequence of events:


· The First Resurrection: Christ first, then The Righteous at His return (i.e. at the end of His reign)
· Binding of Satan: The Devil (singular) is rendered entirely idle and occurs BEFORE the reign of Christ (i.e. at Jesus’ death upon the Cross)
· Reigning Period: There is a period of Christ reigning (i.e. 1,000 years, etc) until all the enemies (plural, demons) are conquered
· The Second Resurrection: (Second Death – when Satan & death are defeated). This is the end of time – which occurs AFTER Jesus has delivered up the kingdom and AFTER Jesus had first bound Satan.






Again, we can see agreement in other scripture that Satan is first bound at the Cross – which is followed by the ‘1000 year’ reign of Christ, in which The Righteous are allowed to come to Christ without the direct blockage of Satan.

Do you ever think through what these verses are saying?

Christ is the first fruits of those who will be resurrected from the dead PERMANENTLY. THAT HAPPENS TO US WHEN HE COMES AGAIN TO CALL OUT HIS BRIDE THE ASSEMBLY; NOT HIS FIRST COMING. Have you ever studied the Festival of First Fruits and How GOD commanded it to be celebrated. THE Harvest comes LATER after the First Fruits are offered:



The First Fruits wave offering is ALWAYS cut from the young immature wheat that IS NOT READY TO HARVEST YET.



The HARVEST is cut SOME TIME LATER after the ENTIRE FIELD has matured.

The Festival of First Fruits - video by Zola Levitt
ZLM Video: “First Fruits — The Resurrection”
 

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Church, don't beware of your adversary the Devil because he is bound. Right Bowman. :)
NOW YOU are telling Christians to do the OPPOSITE of what the BIBLE actually says:

1 Peter 5:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] whom withstand stedfast in your faith, knowing that the same sufferings are accomplished in your brethren who are in the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 (NRSV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For we wanted to come to you—certainly I, Paul, wanted to again and again—but Satan blocked our way.

SATAN WAS NOT BOUND IN PAUL'S DAY.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

1 Timothy 5:15 (NRSV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For some have already turned away to follow Satan.

JOHN DOES NOT BELIEVE SATAN IS ALREADY BOUND EITHER.

Revelation 2:10 (NRSV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
 
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