Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Ahwatukee]

Man can provide scripture for anything they desire to have scripture mean. Why do you think there are literally hundreds of interpretations of a single book. The fact that you admit it is your personal interpretation just substantiates the falseness of your view.

No, not my personal interpretation, but the plain meaning of Scripture, which you seem to be unable to understand and that again because of your spiritualization of it and inability to discern the literal from the symbolic. I am merely expounding on the information that is in the context. Let's perform a little study here and we'll see who interprets the Scripture just as it appears in print. And I would like everyone who reads this to take note and give your honest response based on the plain meaning of scripture based on the information provided. Here is the Scripture in question.

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"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
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* John sees an angel come down out of heaven and he has the key the Abyss and has a great chain.

Strong's concordance: the abyss, the unfathomable depth
Definition: the abyss, unfathomable depth, an especially Jewish conception, the home of the dead and of evil spirits.
a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth
both as the common receptacle of the dead, Romans 10:7, and especially as the abode of demons, Luke 8:31;

Examples of the Abyss in Scripture:

Luke 8:31 - Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

Rev.9:1-2 - The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

Rev.9:11 - They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

Rev.11:7 - Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

Rev.17:8 - The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

Based on the above information, I believe that we can all agree that the Abyss is real, literal place located under the earth.

Abyss recap:

(Luke 8:31) Demons collectively called Legion, begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss

(Rev.9:1-2) A star symbolic for an angel, opens the shaft of the Abyss and smoke rises from it when it is opened.

(Rev.9:11) Those demonic beings that are released from the Abyss at the fifth trumpet have a king over them who is the angel of the Abyss whose name is destroyer.

(Rev.11:7) When the two witnesses finish their 1,260 days (3 1/2 years) of prophesy, that angel, the beast, comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses.

(Rev.17:18) After that beast comes up out of the Abyss, when Christ returns 3 1/2 years later, both the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire.

* The angel seizes the dragon. Who is the dragon? that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan.

* The angel binds Satan for a thousand years

* The angel throws Satan into the Abyss. Why? to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.

* After the thousand years Satan must be set free for a short time.

* When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from the Abyss and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Conclusion: Based on scripture and the references to the Abyss, it is shown to be a literal place under the earth, where the demonic beings called Legion did not want to go into. It is also the place where demons are currently restricted to and who will be let out of in the future and is also where that beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to and who will come up out of at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. Furthermore, regarding the "thousand years," there is absolutely nothing in the scripture that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic meaning, but to interpret the thousand years as a literal thousand years. To do otherwise would be to ignore the context, which should always be considered first.

There will be an angel from heaven , he will have the key to the Abyss, he seizes Satan and he throws him into the Abyss and locks him in for a literal thousand years. Plain and simple just as the scripture demonstrates without deviation.

According to the chronology of Revelation, Christ returns to end the age sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, where at that time the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). After that is when John sees the angel coming down out of heaven and seizes Satan and throws him into the Abyss. This is the chronological order of events as described in Revelation.

 

[popeye]

No, not my personal interpretation, but the plain meaning of Scripture, which you seem to be unable to understand and that again because of your spiritualization of it and inability to discern the literal from the symbolic. I am merely expounding on the information that is in the context. Let's perform a little study here and we'll see who interprets the Scripture just as it appears in print. And I would like everyone who reads this to take note and give your honest response based on the plain meaning of scripture based on the information provided. Here is the Scripture in question.

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"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
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* John sees an angel come down out of heaven and he has the key the Abyss and has a great chain.

Strong's concordance: the abyss, the unfathomable depth
Definition: the abyss, unfathomable depth, an especially Jewish conception, the home of the dead and of evil spirits.
a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth
both as the common receptacle of the dead, Romans 10:7, and especially as the abode of demons, Luke 8:31;

Examples of the Abyss in Scripture:

Luke 8:31 - Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

Rev.9:1-2 - The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

Rev.9:11 - They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

Rev.11:7 - Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

Rev.17:8 - The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

Based on the above information, I believe that we can all agree that the Abyss is real, literal place located under the earth.

Abyss recap:

(Luke 8:31) Demons collectively called Legion, begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss

(Rev.9:1-2) A star symbolic for an angel, opens the shaft of the Abyss and smoke rises from it when it is opened.

(Rev.9:11) Those demonic beings that are released from the Abyss at the fifth trumpet have a king over them who is the angel of the Abyss whose name is destroyer.

(Rev.11:7) When the two witnesses finish their 1,260 days (3 1/2 years) of prophesy, that angel, the beast, comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses.

(Rev.17:18) After that beast comes up out of the Abyss, when Christ returns 3 1/2 years later, both the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire.

* The angel seizes the dragon. Who is the dragon? that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan.

* The angel binds Satan for a thousand years

* The angel throws Satan into the Abyss. Why? to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.

* After the thousand years Satan must be set free for a short time.

* When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from the Abyss and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Conclusion: Based on scripture and the references to the Abyss, it is shown to be a literal place under the earth, where the demonic beings called Legion did not want to go into. It is also the place where demons are currently restricted to and who will be let out of in the future and is also where that beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to and who will come up out of at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. Furthermore, regarding the "thousand years," there is absolutely nothing in the scripture that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic meaning, but to interpret the thousand years as a literal thousand years. To do otherwise would be to ignore the context, which should always be considered first.

There will be an angel from heaven , he will have the key to the Abyss, he seizes Satan and he throws him into the Abyss and locks him in for a literal thousand years. Plain and simple just as the scripture demonstrates without deviation.

According to the chronology of Revelation, Christ returns to end the age sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, where at that time the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). After that is when John sees the angel coming down out of heaven and seizes Satan and throws him into the Abyss. This is the chronological order of events as described in Revelation.

Nice.!
I agree??????

 

[popeye]

No, not my personal interpretation, but the plain meaning of Scripture, which you seem to be unable to understand and that again because of your spiritualization of it and inability to discern the literal from the symbolic. I am merely expounding on the information that is in the context. Let's perform a little study here and we'll see who interprets the Scripture just as it appears in print. And I would like everyone who reads this to take note and give your honest response based on the plain meaning of scripture based on the information provided. Here is the Scripture in question.

====================================
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
====================================

* John sees an angel come down out of heaven and he has the key the Abyss and has a great chain.

Strong's concordance: the abyss, the unfathomable depth
Definition: the abyss, unfathomable depth, an especially Jewish conception, the home of the dead and of evil spirits.
a very deep gulf or chasm in the lowest parts of the earth
both as the common receptacle of the dead, Romans 10:7, and especially as the abode of demons, Luke 8:31;

Examples of the Abyss in Scripture:

Luke 8:31 - Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

Rev.9:1-2 - The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

Rev.9:11 - They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

Rev.11:7 - Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

Rev.17:8 - The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.

Based on the above information, I believe that we can all agree that the Abyss is real, literal place located under the earth.

Abyss recap:

(Luke 8:31) Demons collectively called Legion, begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss

(Rev.9:1-2) A star symbolic for an angel, opens the shaft of the Abyss and smoke rises from it when it is opened.

(Rev.9:11) Those demonic beings that are released from the Abyss at the fifth trumpet have a king over them who is the angel of the Abyss whose name is destroyer.

(Rev.11:7) When the two witnesses finish their 1,260 days (3 1/2 years) of prophesy, that angel, the beast, comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses.

(Rev.17:18) After that beast comes up out of the Abyss, when Christ returns 3 1/2 years later, both the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire.

* The angel seizes the dragon. Who is the dragon? that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan.

* The angel binds Satan for a thousand years

* The angel throws Satan into the Abyss. Why? to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.

* After the thousand years Satan must be set free for a short time.

* When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from the Abyss and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

Conclusion: Based on scripture and the references to the Abyss, it is shown to be a literal place under the earth, where the demonic beings called Legion did not want to go into. It is also the place where demons are currently restricted to and who will be let out of in the future and is also where that beast, that angel of the Abyss, is currently restricted to and who will come up out of at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. Furthermore, regarding the "thousand years," there is absolutely nothing in the scripture that would lead the reader to apply a symbolic meaning, but to interpret the thousand years as a literal thousand years. To do otherwise would be to ignore the context, which should always be considered first.

There will be an angel from heaven , he will have the key to the Abyss, he seizes Satan and he throws him into the Abyss and locks him in for a literal thousand years. Plain and simple just as the scripture demonstrates without deviation.

According to the chronology of Revelation, Christ returns to end the age sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured as depicted in Rev.19:11-21, where at that time the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). After that is when John sees the angel coming down out of heaven and seizes Satan and throws him into the Abyss. This is the chronological order of events as described in Revelation.

Nice.!
I agree

 

[popeye]

I have no idea how that happened ....double post

 

[popeye]

NOW YOU are telling Christians to do the OPPOSITE of what the BIBLE actually says:

1 Peter 5:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] whom withstand stedfast in your faith, knowing that the same sufferings are accomplished in your brethren who are in the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 (NRSV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For we wanted to come to you—certainly I, Paul, wanted to again and again—but Satan blocked our way.

SATAN WAS NOT BOUND IN PAUL'S DAY.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

1 Timothy 5:15 (NRSV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For some have already turned away to follow Satan.

JOHN DOES NOT BELIEVE SATAN IS ALREADY BOUND EITHER.

Revelation 2:10 (NRSV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Pretty sure that was sarcasm from PT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Contrary to your theory, rather than the teaching of scripture, Rev 20:2 is precisely the advent of Christ of His first coming. Why would He bind Satan at the end of time. At the end of time Satan will be destroyed, not bound.

That pit is hades, the place that Jesus descended into and took captive those that were held captive by death.

lol..

Stop listening to men, You may actually learn something.

The bible says he will be bound.. And you want to question it. Wow dude, Get real.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Psalm 2:9
You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’”

This is what egypt and many empired did to their enemy. They destroyed any and all of their cultrue, and they rulled with a rod of iron (military might)

This is what God in his holy word has said the future reign of Christ will look like, he will bid the leader (satan) so he can no longer decieve the nations, He will crush his enemy like potter destroys the clay, And he will rule the world with the rod of iron, the scepter of his power..

People who claim this is happening today, or happened at the cross. Well wow. God must not be very powerfull. and all these OT prophesies which said this is what it will look like, Guess God did not know what he was talking about now did he?

 

[passing_through]

NOW YOU are telling Christians to do the OPPOSITE of what the BIBLE actually says:

1 Peter 5:8-9 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] whom withstand stedfast in your faith, knowing that the same sufferings are accomplished in your brethren who are in the world.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then shall be revealed the lawless one, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nought by the manifestation of his coming;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 (NRSV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For we wanted to come to you—certainly I, Paul, wanted to again and again—but Satan blocked our way.

SATAN WAS NOT BOUND IN PAUL'S DAY.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

1 Timothy 5:15 (NRSV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For some have already turned away to follow Satan.

JOHN DOES NOT BELIEVE SATAN IS ALREADY BOUND EITHER.

Revelation 2:10 (NRSV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Did you read where I was addressing Bowman? I certainly do not believe Satan is bound.

 

[Josefnospam]

well he may or may not be bound at this time BUT, we can rest assured he can NEVER do anything without our God's permission. WE who have the spirit of God are eternally safe from whatever the devil does or might do. Thank God he is in control of all things. He may be turned loosed to deceive the world but cannot deceive God's elect.

Our God is reigning in heaven over his creation and all is as it should be.

 

[cupid]

All,

Looking for scriptural positions regarding if Satan is presently bound...

Rev. 20:1 And I saw an angel, (i.e.; a social manifestation of inter-generational authority), come down from heaven (manifesting in the enactment of Law in 380 AD, Emperor Theodosius I, established Catholic Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire and ordering pagans and other sects of Christianity to be called heretics), having the key, (the authority of Universal Christianity), to the bottomless pit (of history) and a great chain (of cultural restraints) in his hand (by which to implement social change).


Rev. 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, (the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores), that old serpent, (cultural Paganism), which is the devil (of sexual license), and (libidinal lustfulness of) satan, and bound him, (the dragon), a thousand (1000) Years (during the reign of Christ throughout the DARK AGES), ...

 

[cupid]

well he may or may not be bound at this time BUT, we can rest assured he can NEVER do anything without our God's permission. WE who have the spirit of God are eternally safe from whatever the devil does or might do. Thank God he is in control of all things. He may be turned loosed to deceive the world but cannot deceive God's elect.

Our God is reigning in heaven over his creation and all is as it should be.

Hmmm,....
2/3rds of all the 1.2 million yearly abortions are by never married, single girls under age 22, who check "Christian" on the application form.

 

[cupid]

Psalm 2:9
You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’”

This is what egypt and many empired did to their enemy. They destroyed any and all of their cultrue, and they rulled with a rod of iron (military might)

This is what God in his holy word has said the future reign of Christ will look like, he will bid the leader (satan) so he can no longer decieve the nations, He will crush his enemy like potter destroys the clay, And he will rule the world with the rod of iron, the scepter of his power..

People who claim this is happening today, or happened at the cross. Well wow. God must not be very powerfull. and all these OT prophesies which said this is what it will look like, Guess God did not know what he was talking about now did he?

The iron rod is the Bible, and especially during the 1000 year church of the monastic Age in medieval times, it was what ruled over the fallen Roman Empire.
It was Theocracy then.

The Bible was like the Constitution.

 

[VCO]

I have no idea how that happened ....double post

I have had it happen to my posts before too. Some kind of glitch I suppose.

 

[VCO]

The iron rod is the Bible, and especially during the 1000 year church of the monastic Age in medieval times, it was what ruled over the fallen Roman Empire.
It was Theocracy then.

The Bible was like the Constitution.

SURPRISE the 1000 Year Kingdom of Jesus Christ, is NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH.
He will REIGN from the Throne of DAVID, not only OVER ISRAEL, but also over the whole earth, literally for one thousand years on this earth and atmosphere; but also on into eternity in the New Heaven (atmosphere) and New Earth. Sure we will be there reigning as Priests in the Temple in our IMMORTAL BODIES, but it will NOT be a continuance of the CHURCH Age, but rather a Continuance of HIS Reigning from the THRONE of DAVID.

Food for Thought:

The word Church is NOT IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK. The Word in GREEK actually means ASSEMBLY.

Why is that important?

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Nehemiah 5:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I also shook the folds of my robe and said, “May God likewise shake from his house and property everyone who doesn’t keep this promise. May he be shaken out and have nothing!” The whole assembly said, “Amen,” and they praised the LORD. Then the people did as they had promised.

Psalm 22:25 (NIV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.

Psalm 26:12 (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] My feet stand on level ground; in the great assembly I will praise the LORD.

Numbers 16:3 (NRSV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] They assembled against Moses and against Aaron, and said to them, "You have gone too far! All the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them. So why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the LORD?"

1 Chronicles 28:6-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now He said to me, 'It is your son Solomon who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be My son, and I will be his Father.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Moreover I will establish his kingdom forever, if he is steadfast to observe My commandments and My judgments, as it is this day.'
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Now therefore, in the sight of all Israel, the assembly of the LORD, and in the hearing of our God, be careful to seek out all the commandments of the LORD your God, that you may possess this good land, and leave it as an inheritance for your children after you forever.

CHRIST our Lord and MESSIAH has been building HIS ASSEMBLY ever since Creation was completed, and the FIRST man in that ASSEMBLY was ADAM.

John 10:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] “I am the good shepherd. I know My own sheep, and they know Me,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd.

THERE ARE TWO FOLDS UNDER ONE SHEPHERD IN THE ONE ASSEMBLY.

Those who think GOD is finished with Israel and rejected them, ARE GRIEVOUSLY WRONG.

Jeremiah 3:12 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; ' I will not remain angry forever.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Those who think GOD is finished with Israel and rejected them, ARE GRIEVOUSLY WRONG.

So very true VCO! In fact, seventy 'sevens" were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem and only sixty-nine of those 'sevens' have been fulfilled, with one 'seven' remaining and which is coming very quickly. Replacement theology is just another false teaching. Satan and his angels are very busy in these last days!

 

[Cassian]

Ahwatukee,

No, not my personal interpretation, but the plain meaning of Scripture, which you seem to be unable to understand and that again because of your spiritualization of it and inability to discern the literal from the symbolic. I am merely expounding on the information that is in the context. Let's perform a little study here and we'll see who interprets the Scripture just as it appears in print. And I would like everyone who reads this to take note and give your honest response based on the plain meaning of scripture based on the information provided. Here is the Scripture in question.

Plain meaning as determined by you or one of the many individuals who have tried to impose some form of premillennialism upon scripture.

The rest of your post is one of the modern man made interpretations of Rev 20 and Revelation. Lets see if you can substantiate this with the teaching of the Apostles in the beginning. I'll help you a little and tell you that the view came via the Gnostics and Ebonites by Cerinthus. Back then it was called Chilism, the Greek word for thousand. A couple of Church Fathers wrote on it, but it was never part of the Gospel given in the beginning. At the Second Ecumenical Council it was declared a heresy and the words "Whose Kingdom shall have no end" was added to the Nicene Creed.

Since then there has not been an issue within the Church regarding Chilism or the modern versions, of which there are several of them today. They are wholly man made interpretations that began in the modern era with Miller and then popularized by Darby and since then by a number of individuals (Lindsey, Walvoord, Ryrie) all who have some different strokes in their interpretation. Hardly the Gospel once given in the beginning. Somewhere in that 200 years, premillennialism was married to dispensationalism.

You can hold to these views including whatever you personally inserted into it, but it has never been a teaching of scripture.
As to Revelation there is no continuous sequence. It is divided into seven parts, each part is explaining the time span between the Advents. Within those parts are three sections, the first dealing with the reality of the Churches in this world. The second a combination of man in this world and the real battle that is going on between God and Satan. The last is solely about the spiritual battle of the Kingdom of God with that of the Kingdom of Satan.

 

[Cassian]

lol..

Stop listening to men, You may actually learn something.

The bible says he will be bound.. And you want to question it. Wow dude, Get real.

I don't see any evidence from you that would refute the texts I posted regarding the binding of Satan. Where is your evidence that he was not or has not yet been bound?

So far in this post, no one has posted any evidence that would refute scripture that Christ bound Satan by death and His resurrection. The evidence you present needs to show that Christ has not yet come as the Messiah. When He does come He does not come to defeat death, the power of Satan. Need to show that Christ was never resurrected.

Can you do that? If you can then you have made a point in refuting that Satan is not bound now.

 

[cupid]

SURPRISE the 1000 Year Kingdom of Jesus Christ, is NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH.
He will REIGN from the Throne of DAVID, not only OVER ISRAEL, but also over the whole earth, literally for one thousand years on this earth and atmosphere;

Nah,...
Once the Jews accept Jesus he reigns forever.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[cupid]

I don't see any evidence from you that would refute the texts I posted regarding the binding of Satan. Where is your evidence that he was not or has not yet been bound?

So far in this post, no one has posted any evidence that would refute scripture that Christ bound Satan by death and His resurrection. The evidence you present needs to show that Christ has not yet come as the Messiah. When He does come He does not come to defeat death, the power of Satan. Need to show that Christ was never resurrected.

Can you do that? If you can then you have made a point in refuting that Satan is not bound now.

Satan was bound for 1000 years during the Monastic Age of the universal church over the whole Roman World:

Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (Monasticism for 1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (the Cross), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological sexually promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...
... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):
and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (of @ 1000 years: [Rev 20:2]).


... but now he is loose...

 

[Ahwatukee]

Ahwatukee,

Plain meaning as determined by you or one of the many individuals who have tried to impose some form of premillennialism upon scripture.

The rest of your post is one of the modern man made interpretations of Rev 20 and Revelation. Lets see if you can substantiate this with the teaching of the Apostles in the beginning. I'll help you a little and tell you that the view came via the Gnostics and Ebonites by Cerinthus. Back then it was called Chilism, the Greek word for thousand. A couple of Church Fathers wrote on it, but it was never part of the Gospel given in the beginning. At the Second Ecumenical Council it was declared a heresy and the words "Whose Kingdom shall have no end" was added to the Nicene Creed.

Since then there has not been an issue within the Church regarding Chilism or the modern versions, of which there are several of them today. They are wholly man made interpretations that began in the modern era with Miller and then popularized by Darby and since then by a number of individuals (Lindsey, Walvoord, Ryrie) all who have some different strokes in their interpretation. Hardly the Gospel once given in the beginning. Somewhere in that 200 years, premillennialism was married to dispensationalism.

You can hold to these views including whatever you personally inserted into it, but it has never been a teaching of scripture.
As to Revelation there is no continuous sequence. It is divided into seven parts, each part is explaining the time span between the Advents. Within those parts are three sections, the first dealing with the reality of the Churches in this world. The second a combination of man in this world and the real battle that is going on between God and Satan. The last is solely about the spiritual battle of the Kingdom of God with that of the Kingdom of Satan.

The rest of your post is one of the modern man made interpretations of Rev 20 and Revelation

This is one of the problems and that is, you don't listen! How can what I have presented be a "modern, man made interpretation, when I am not getting it from any man, but listed it straight from Scripture and even supplied the scripture?

Scripture: And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss
Me: John sees an angel coming down out of heaven having the key to the Abyss

Scripture: He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years
Me: The angel seizes the dragon who is Satan and binds for a thousand years in the Abyss

Scripture: He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.
Me: The angel throws Satan into the Abyss and locks him in for a thousand years to keep Satan from deceiving the nations until the thousand years have ended.

Scripture: After that, he must be set free for a short time.
Me: At the end of the thousand years Satan will be released for a short time.

Now Cassian, as you can see above, I am believing and repeating verbatim what the scripture says. Therefore, how can you say that what I am teaching is "modern man made interpretations"? If you were to do the same thing as above, it would be ridiculously distorted and that because your response would not match anything in the scripture. Try it and show everyone your results, just like I did. Because then you are going to have to be explaining your deviation from Scripture and it will be obvious.

Since then there has not been an issue within the Church regarding Chilism or the modern versions

The above has noting to do with me nor does it affect me and that because none of what I know has come from the teachings of men. I have studied the word of God for over 40 years and everything that I am proclaiming comes from those studies, not from pastors and so on, or from this guy's book or the internet, but from many of years of study of God's word. So, please stop applying your assumption upon me. I have just provided scripture for you and put my meaning of each part of the scripture right underneath it. Trying doing the same for everyone to see and I will prove my point.