Is the Devil bound right now...?

[gkroo]

If you have never experienced 'rapture' before, you may not know what it means.

Interesting read:
So far, so good. But how did this teaching of the apostle Paul ever come to be called the Rapture? The answer lies in the word translated "shall be caught up" (Greek harpagésómetha). In Latin, this word is rapere, from which "rapture" is derived. Free of any arcane or mysterious interpretation, it simply means "to be caught up," "snatched" or "seized."

 

[Ahwatukee]

The 1000 years occurred after the 10 year tribulation, in 303-313 AD:

Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil, (that animus of the anti-Chris: [Jhn 8:44]), shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have (at the hand of Nero) tribulation Ten Years (as will also be instigated by Diocletian [303-313 AD]): be thou faithful unto (a martyr's) death, and I will give thee a crown of (sociological) life, (in 1000 years of Universal Roman Christianity).

Cupid,

If the thousand years had already occurred at the times that you specified above, then we would currently be living on the new earth and the New Jerusalem would be here, for that is what follows the millennial period, eternity.

 

[cupid]

Good day Cupid,

When Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, along with it came the pantheon of god's that were being worshiped. The worship of those god's was transposed onto the saints which are currently recognized by the RCC and who are prayed to by Catholics, including praying to angels. In the same manner, the queen of heaven worship that stemmed from the mystery religions of Babylon was transposed onto Mary, as well as the mother and son worship of Semiramis and Tammuz, Isis and Horus, which was transposed onto Mary and Jesus.

When Constantine made this decree, this is when that part of Christianity began to skew from the true church to what Roman Catholicism is today, which is why the RCC, with all of her Mary worship, the ritual of the Eucharist and transubstantiation, the sacraments, purgatory, indulgences, etc., etc., is pagan through and through, reflecting her Babylonian pagan origins.

When Satan was persecuting the church it just kept growing, for people were willing to die for their faith in Jesus Christ. And so he changed his tactics by contaminating the church in Rome with a myriad of pagan believes and rituals all stemming from Babylon. Therefore in response to your claim above "every other pagan god was shut down" they definitely were not shut down, just transposed! They were just infused into that new polluted version of Christianity just as all the other Babylonian pagan characteristics were and we can see the flavor of pagan Babylon interwoven into the RCC today.

Also, as scripture clearly teaches, the thousand year reign of Christ has yet to begin, for Christ must first return to end the age as demonstrated in Rev.19:11-21, at which time Satan will be literally bound in the Abyss during that same thousand years. None of the characteristics of the thousand period are currently present.

If you would like a good book to read which goes into detail regarding the history of the pope's and the RCC, I would suggest getting a copy of "A Woman Rides the Beast: The Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days" by Dave Hunt.

Hi Mr Ahwatukee,

It is possible to e critical of the RCC, and since the Reformation, even they know that themselves.
But what did happen was we right here today are Christians.
We came from the previous Christians who historically go ll the way back to when everyone had to be a Christian, by edict of Theo I, in 380 AD.

For 1000 years exactly, there was only one Christianity in the whole Roman World, and laws made all paganism, pagan gods, and myths disappear.
Monasticism existed where monks lived and worked together in societies that used no money, the mark of the beast.
Sex was not even mentioned.
Nakedness in Art disappeared.
The ONLY god legally allowed was Jesus, an that lasted 1000 years.

It was a pretty clear fulfillment of the prophecy.

 

[cupid]

Good day Cupid,

If you would like a good book to read which goes into detail regarding the history of the pope's and the RCC, I would suggest getting a copy of "A Woman Rides the Beast: The Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days" by Dave Hunt.

The woman ride the seven headed beast from way back, but the Catholicism which came as one o the 10 horns on the seventh head was the beast, in its own turn,...



Daniel 7: 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, (Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth (of short iron swords): it devoured (all the Western World), and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it, (i.e.; the ten toes of the European Nations comprising it): and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns (of political powers to come:
1. Undivided Empire: Diocletian: [to 305 AD],
2. Western Roman Empire: Romulus Augustus: [to 476 AD],
3. Eastern Christian Roman, Byzantine Empire: [1453 AD]
4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]
5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]
6. Italy: Renaissance: [16th century]
7. Spain, [17th century]
8. France, [18th-19th Century]
9. Britain, [19th-20th century]
10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hi Mr Ahwatukee,

It is possible to e critical of the RCC, and since the Reformation, even they know that themselves.
But what did happen was we right here today are Christians.
We came from the previous Christians who historically go ll the way back to when everyone had to be a Christian, by edict of Theo I, in 380 AD.

For 1000 years exactly, there was only one Christianity in the whole Roman World, and laws made all paganism, pagan gods, and myths disappear.
Monasticism existed where monks lived and worked together in societies that used no money, the mark of the beast.
Sex was not even mentioned.
Nakedness in Art disappeared.
The ONLY god legally allowed was Jesus, an that lasted 1000 years.

It was a pretty clear fulfillment of the prophecy.

The thousand years will be established when Christ returns to end the age. He will literally rule from the position of king David from the current city of Jerusalem. And those characteristics of the thousand years that scripture teaches will be existing. The fact that they have never nor are they currently existing demonstrates that we have not entered into that age yet. During that time Jesus will be ruling with a rod of iron, that is, a sovereign rule and we have not yet experienced that.

When you see the nations not training for war anymore and beating their weapons of war into plowshares and pruning hooks and the lion eating straw like the oxen, and prey and predator animals at peace with each other, then please let me know. Until then, we have not entered into that thousand year time period.

 

[cupid]

The Revelation given to John was the original. Why would God give the same information with all of its visions twice? Not only that, but the word "Apokalupsis" kills the idea of the information found in the book of Revelation as being previously revealed and that because the word means, to reveal something that was previously not known or only partially known and that because it was covered, hidden. So by the very definition of the word, it could not have been previously given. John was the first and only one to receive the completed information in the book of Revelation.

Jesus added his own comments, and sent what was a prophecy written 200 years before Jesus was even born, because what was said was true, and would happen in the future.

"Apokalupsis" means it was hidden.
Which it still was when Jesus gave the writings to John.
History would have to reveal that the prophecy was correct.
That is ALWAYS the way a prophecy is validated.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Jesus added his own comments, and sent what was a prophecy written 200 years before Jesus was even born, because what was said was true, and would happen in the future.

"Apokalupsis" means it was hidden.
Which it still was when Jesus gave the writings to John.
History would have to reveal that the prophecy was correct.
That is ALWAYS the way a prophecy is validated.

Where do you guy's get this stuff?! Get off the internet and do some actual studying in the word of God, because this stuff that you are selling is a lie! Revelation says that God the Father gave the information contained in the book of Revelation to Jesus, who sent his angel to John and therefore, there was no previous revelation given to someone else. You can't call something a revelation if it was previously revealed.

 

[cupid]

Cupid,

If the thousand years had already occurred at the times that you specified above, then we would currently be living on the new earth and the New Jerusalem would be here, for that is what follows the millennial period, eternity.

The New Heaven and the New Earth ad already appeared over all the Roman Empire when it became 100% Christianized.
The old world had crumbled.
Myths which explained how the gods lived and behaved were no more.
Astrology which was the respected Science of that times disappeared.
Naked statues disappeared.
Libraries were sacked as promiscuous writings were gathered and burned.

Here is what occurred:

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld, (in the days of Emperor Theodocius, who established the Holy Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church, on 27 February 380), when he, (the Lamb of the tribe of Judah, the off-spring of the root of David: [Rev 5:5]), had opened the sixth seal of (scripture), and, lo, there was a great earthquake (of religious social change); and the Sun (signs of Astrology) became (as) black as (the) sackcloth of (the hood covering a nun's) hair, and the moon became as blood (of Christ, to determine the very day of the Easter and Passover).

Rev. 6:13 And the stars' (twelve constellations of Sun Signs) of heaven fell (from popular grace) unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, (ruined), when she is (destructively) shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev. 6:14 And (Astrology) departed (from popular practice) as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain (i.e.; Pagan religion) and island (i.e.; secret society) were moved out of their places (in the pagan society of all the Roman World).

Rev. 6:15 And (1) the kings of the earth, (POLITICIANS), and (2) the great men, (STATESMEN), and (3) the rich men, (ECONOMIC BARONS), and (4) the chief captains, (PRIESTHOODS), and (5) the mighty men, (MILITARY LEADERS), and (6) every bondman, (CRAFTSMAN), and (7) every free man, (PEASANT), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the (institutionalized) mountains (of that pagan society);

Rev. 6:16 And said to the mountains (of the previous decadent and hedonistic social institutions) and rocks (of that wide-open, sexually promiscuous culture), Fall on us, (help!), and hide us from the face (of Papal judgment) of[/B[ (Universal Catholicism), him that sitteth on the throne (of Christian Rome) and from the (words of) wrath of the Lamb, (the Word of the New Testament):

Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath, (the one thousand year reign predicted), is come; and who, (what other God) shall be able to stand (during these Dark Ages).

 

[cupid]

Where do you guy's get this stuff?! Get off the internet and do some actual studying in the word of God, because this stuff that you are selling is a lie! Revelation says that God the Father gave the information contained in the book of Revelation to Jesus, who sent his angel to John and therefore, there was no previous revelation given to someone else. You can't call something a revelation if it was previously revealed.

What Jesus did was bind the Jews to the New Testament by adding part of a totally Jewish writing to what he told John.

This meant that Christians were reading Jewish prophecy without knowing it.
And when the Jews discovered it, they could not do what they usually did until now.
Jews can not dismiss the writings they do not like, just because it was not "Jewish."

 

[cupid]

The thousand years will be established when Christ returns to end the age. He will literally rule from the position of king David from the current city of Jerusalem. And those characteristics of the thousand years that scripture teaches will be existing. The fact that they have never nor are they currently existing demonstrates that we have not entered into that age yet. During that time Jesus will be ruling with a rod of iron, that is, a sovereign rule and we have not yet experienced that.

When you see the nations not training for war anymore and beating their weapons of war into plowshares and pruning hooks and the lion eating straw like the oxen, and prey and predator animals at peace with each other, then please let me know. Until then, we have not entered into that thousand year time period.

Think about it.
Do you really want Jesus to come now and stay only 1000 years?
Do you want Satan to be gone only 1000 years after Jesus comes?

This time, the 10 kingdoms all fall down,Jesus comes and stays forever, and Satan is defeated totally.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Think about it.
Do you really want Jesus to come now and stay only 1000 years?
Do you want Satan to be gone only 1000 years after Jesus comes?

This time, the 10 kingdoms all fall down,Jesus comes and stays forever, and Satan is defeated totally.

I want God to do what he said he would do. to prove he is the real God. and not question why he is doing what he says he will do.

He is God not me, God knows best.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Think about it.
Do you really want Jesus to come now and stay only 1000 years?
Do you want Satan to be gone only 1000 years after Jesus comes?

This time, the 10 kingdoms all fall down,Jesus comes and stays forever, and Satan is defeated totally.

Cupid,

Young Skywalker, you are mistaken about a great many things. These are not the droids you're looking for. For one, it is not about me wanting Jesus to "come now and stay only 1000 years" but it is what scripture states and it wouldn't matter to me anyway because I will have already received my glorified body by that time. And two, after Satan is bound in the Abyss for that thousand years, he will be let out just long enough to gather Gog and MaGog (short time) and then he will be directly thrown into the lake of fire. He's not going on vacation after the thousand years!

According to scripture, after the end of the thousand years, the great white throne judgment takes place and following that John sees the new heaven, new earth and the New Jerusalem, eternity. That is the chronological order of events according to scripture.

 

[popeye]

quite the contrary. It is totally irrelevant to the topic and to my statement and question to him.

Neither he nor you have any evidence that Christianity, the Church from the beginning has ever held such a view as premillennialism, dispensationalism, or and earthly reign of Christ.

Stay on topic, not obfuscate and try to change the topic.

It appears you either do not dialog what you believe or you are unable to do anything but hit questions with a baseball bat and act like you actually engaged in conversation

 

[Cassian]

It appears you either do not dialog what you believe or you are unable to do anything but hit questions with a baseball bat and act like you actually engaged in conversation

Which is non responsive and comes right back to the fact you have no evidence. If you did it would be presented.

This thread is not about premillennialism but whether Satan has been bound. Satan being bound has nothing to do with the theory of premillennialism.

 

[DP]

No, the Jewish original is exactly the same as what is in the NT.

Except for the first three chapters to the seven Christian Churches.
Jesus wrote that part.
But Jesus passed on the Hebrew part so Jews could never say it was Christian writings and ignore it.
Revelation is Jewish, according to the Jews.

That sounds like 'revisionist history' about the Book of Revelation, which per tradition the early Church agreed that Apostle John penned it while in prison on the Isle of Patmos in the time of the Roman emperor Domitian (96 A.D.). Its English translation comes to us from the ancient hand written copy of the Greek Bible, Codex Sinaiticus. Jews can claim what they want, but per the Greek is how it came down to the early Christian Church as a Christian writing.

 

[VCO]

These passages are very good support for what I was telling you here.
Check this out against the above:

Rev. 6:12 Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: (Revelation 6: The only name for God throughout the whole Roman Empire)
And I beheld, (in the days of Emperor Theodocius, who established the Holy Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church, on 27 February 380), when he, (the Lamb of the tribe of Judah, the off-spring of the root of David: [Rev 5:5]), had opened the sixth seal of (scripture), and, lo, there was a great earthquake (of religious social change); and the Sun (signs of Astrology) became (as) black as (the) sackcloth of (the hood covering a nun's) hair, and the moon became as blood (of Christ, to determine the very day of the Easter and Passover).

Rev. 6:13 And the stars' (twelve constellations of Sun Signs) of heaven fell (from popular grace) unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, (ruined), when she is (destructively) shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev. 6:14 And (Astrology) departed (from popular practice) as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain (i.e.; Pagan religion) and island (i.e.; secret society) were moved out of their places (in the pagan society of all the Roman World).

Rev. 6:15 And (1) the kings of the earth, (POLITICIANS), and (2) the great men, (STATESMEN), and (3) the rich men, (ECONOMIC BARONS), and (4) the chief captains, (PRIESTHOODS), and (5) the mighty men, (MILITARY LEADERS), and (6) every bondman, (CRAFTSMAN), and (7) every free man, (PEASANT), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the (institutionalized) mountains (of that pagan society);

Rev. 6:16 And said to the mountains (of the previous decadent and hedonistic social institutions) and rocks (of that wide-open, sexually promiscuous culture), Fall on us, (help!), and hide us from the face (of Papal judgment) of[/B[ (Universal Catholicism), him that sitteth on the throne (of Christian Rome) and from the (words of) wrath of the Lamb, (the Word of the New Testament):

Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath, (the one thousand year reign predicted), is come; and who, (what other God) shall be able to stand (during these Dark Ages).

Now let me make NOTE of a repetitive set of events. Whenever you (Cupid), Bowman, and a few others show up on ANY THREAD; the building one another up in brotherly love CEASES, and all you and your clan do is stir up discord among the brethren.

Proverbs 6:14-19 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Perversity is in his heart, He devises evil continually, He sows discord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore his calamity shall come suddenly; Suddenly he shall be broken without remedy.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] These six things the LORD hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren.

Have you EVER joined a thread just to encourage the brethren?

 

[Bowman]

Rev 12:7-13
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Later verses here reveal this particular casting out is for the last days, the very end of this present world. Satan's abode right now is in the heavenly dimension, because he is a spirit, a heavenly cherub per Ezek.28, not a flesh man. When this war happens, Satan and his angels will be literally cast out of the heavenly. There is only one other dimension they can come to, and it is our earthly dimension, meaning he is going to literally appear upon this earth for the last days. Hard to believe, but the next verses reveal it...

The verbs used in this passage are in the aorist (past tense).

Satan has already been cast down.

 

[DP]

The verbs used in this passage are in the aorist (past tense).

Satan has already been cast down.

And you've never read Bible prophecies written in the style as if they had already come to pass, but they hadn't yet? Some call that the 'future perfect' sense. It's done quite a lot in God's Word, so I don't know how you could miss it.

 

[Bowman]

And you've never read Bible prophecies written in the style as if they had already come to pass, but they hadn't yet? Some call that the 'future perfect' sense. It's done quite a lot in God's Word, so I don't know how you could miss it.

According to your logic, then Satan has a revolving door to Heaven....he comes and goes as he pleases...

 

[wolfwint]

Dear Bowman, there are no biblical positions to find which show that the Devil is bound now. If you look into our world the answer is clear.