Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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VCO

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I feel your pain and frustration VCO :rolleyes:
Oh he is not the first, and if the Lord tarries, he will not be the last.

Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
[SUP]24 [/SUP] False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Take note: I have told you in advance.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!
do not believe it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Did you know that the Jehovah Witnesses believe HE already returned spiritually, and that HE is in the inner rooms of the Watchtower Publishing House, controlling everything that is published there, so that it is equal to the Word of God.
 

VCO

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VCO,

You cite a text that supports the theory as interpreted by most millennialists. However, if it is correct then that same teaching and understanding will have been believed and taught from the very beginning. Not only that, it would have been consistantly the same understanding over the last 2000 years.
So, where is the evidence that premillennialism has been the teaching of scripture from the beginning?
Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout:
‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’

[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’

[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’

[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you:
I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
“Therefore be alert,
because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
 
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VCO

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VCO,

You cite a text that supports the theory as interpreted by most millennialists. However, if it is correct then that same teaching and understanding will have been believed and taught from the very beginning. Not only that, it would have been consistantly the same understanding over the last 2000 years.
So, where is the evidence that premillennialism has been the teaching of scripture from the beginning?

MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

When what we have been trying to share all who will listen, is PROVEN BY OUR LORD AND BRIDEGROOM to be the absolute TRUTH; WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU?
 

valiant

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If Satan was bound when Jesus walked the Earth tell me how did he tempt Jesus.
The temptation came prior to Jesus ministry. It was during His ministry that He exercised His authority and bound Satan (Matth 12.28-29). It is astonishing to me that you refuse to believe what Jesus said because you believe your own views are more valid than His.

Christ saw Satan fall from Heven before he was born as Jesus. Since Satans fall he has wrecked havoc on the Earth. You are claiming knowledge that you don't process. You are ignorant of the word, it's OK to be ignorant, but it's not OK to remain ignorant.
No.Christ saw Satan fall from Heaven during His ministry (Luke 10.18). This was as a consequence of Jesus having bound him. What occurred before Jesus was born and in preparation for it was that Satan mustered his forces on earth ready to meet the threat (Rev 12.4). Satan was then bound during Jesus ministry (Matt 12.28-29 and parallels) and with his minions resoundingly defeated as a consequence of the cross and resurrection (Col 2.15; Rev 12.9). He is still bound today. If he were not none of us would survive.


The problem with some of you is that you think of Satan as a physical being restricted to physical things. But Satan is a mighty spirit being. He cannot be restricted to earth. All the pictures of him are to be seen as indicating spiritual activity in the spiritual realm, including his binding and restriction. Satan could not ACTUALLY physically fall from Heaven to earth, for Heaven is a spiritual realm. It is not ABOVE the earth. And he would not fall in space. They are pictures presenting spiritual truth.

Perhaps now God may open your eyes so that you do not remain in ignorance. That is my prayer for you. You must learn to distinguish the spiritual realm from the physical :)
 
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You are so TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT THAT 1K PERIOD that it is not even humorous.

HERE IS THE REAL PHYSICAL EVENT THAT WAS CLEARLY PROPHESIED, THAT WILL BE THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT 1K PERIOD, WITH CHRIST LITERALLY ON THE THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM, THE 144,000 JEWS CONTINUING INTO THAT KINGDOM THAT IS THE EVERLASTING COVENANT THAT PROMISES THE JEWS WILL INHERIT THE LAND OF ISRAEL FOREVER, AND WE WILL BE IN OUR IMMORTAL BODIES REIGNING WITH HIM AS LITERAL PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLE:

Zechariah 14:4-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
We have already been over the 144K long ago, and I proved that these are NOT literal Jews...this is Spiritual Israel and includes ALL believers...this is the great multitude which no one could number, as determined via context.

However, that is not the topic under discussion.

Basically, you have everything incorrect...you're a total mess....probably too far gone to help at this point...

 

Cassian

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Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout:
‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’

[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’

[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’

[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you:
I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
“Therefore be alert,
because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
In other words you have no evidence.
 

Cassian

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MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

When what we have been trying to share all who will listen, is PROVEN BY OUR LORD AND BRIDEGROOM to be the absolute TRUTH; WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU?
How can it be Truth when it has never been part of the Gospel Truth. It is pure mythological fiction that began 200 years ago with Miller and other false teachers have adopted the premise and further developed the theory. To read Impe one would think that Revelation was written solely for the modern times and that Revelation can be interpreted by the latest news stories. It is truly one of those fantasies for modern man's itching ears.
 
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popeye

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We have already been over the 144K long ago, and I proved that these are NOT literal Jews...this is Spiritual Israel and includes ALL believers...this is the great multitude which no one could number, as determined via context.

However, that is not the topic under discussion.

Basically, you have everything incorrect...you're a total mess....probably too far gone to help at this point...

Really?
What tribe are you?
 
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popeye

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How can it be Truth when it has never been part of the Gospel Truth. It is pure mythological fiction that began 200 years ago with Miller and other false teachers have adopted the premise and further developed the theory. To read Impe one would think that Revelation was written solely for the modern times and that Revelation can be interpreted by the latest news stories. It is truly one of those fantasies for modern man's itching ears.
When was it that everyone on the planet was required to take a mark on the hand or head or be beheaded?

Also,when was the tribulation such as the world will never see again?
 
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popeye

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MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

When what we have been trying to share all who will listen, is PROVEN BY OUR LORD AND BRIDEGROOM to be the absolute TRUTH; WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU?
In a fantasy mil
 
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popeye

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On this one bowman is correct.
That is not the only time Jesus is referred to as an angel.

Please show me what is linking the angel that is coming down out of heaven to Christ who was just previously shown to be descending from heaven on a white horse wearing a white rob dipped in blood. What is there in Rev.20:1-2 that is revealing "I saw and angel" as being Christ? Jesus is never referred to as an angel. There are references to "the angel of the Lord" which means that they are angels by him.

"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. "

Where in the Scripture above is there any information that Jesus is that angel? Bowman says that only God is strong enough to bind Satan, which is a false assumption. God has other angels that are also mighty and high ranking as I demonstrated in my list. But the fact still remains that by reading the scripture above, there is nothing in it that would identify that angel as being Christ. If anything, if the angel was Jesus, John would said something like the rider on the white horse seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, etc., not "an angel".

Also, please provide scripture where Jesus is referred to as an angel and there has to be something in that links him as such. In other words, you can't just pick out a verse that mentions and angel in it without anything linking it to be Christ.
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It would be blasphemy to refer to a angel as the SON
 
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popeye

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My phone has me addressing auwatukee as auwhatukee lol

My point was that calling an angel SON would be blasphemy
 
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Cassian

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When was it that everyone on the planet was required to take a mark on the hand or head or be beheaded?

Also,when was the tribulation such as the world will never see again?
Your lack of knowledge of history is showing.
 

Cassian

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IOW,according to you Jesus was just ranting about a fairy tale.
so, outside of your assertion you have no evidence either. I don't expect any since there is none.
 

slave

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Where is the "ultimately, the devil always has been bound, but allowed to have power for as spell?" --Answer in the poll?
 

slave

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Rom. 12:12: and people may have given this I don't know I haven't read all posts so whatever but.."Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! [suggested Devil's control]..But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! [Here we see God's allowances for the devil's choices for a spell to be allowed to be in affect, based on Adams failure.Based on His love for us, and His righteous integrity..But God knew of how He would send His Son to resolve this issue, Patiently removing all issues in His timing...as we continue to finish off this verse]..."....because he knows his time is short." Satan has limited time, for Gods given allowances. And his final chapter of exercising his options has yet to be fully realized, God has never ever lost any control over the devil. Or the timing of all things.

The story of Job gives us a glimpse into this formula in action as well. For in that moment of a 'bet- like' conversation between the devil and God, God is seen allowing Jobs test by giving power to Satan in regards to his servant. But also shows His ultimate control by giving the rules of not allowing him to kill him. Not one second was God ever in debate with the devil save one thing: His glory. And He chose to use Job as His proof of Scripture that say, "my grace is sufficient for thee"..It is not just our blessings a man loves God for... but it is God Himself, if he is a man of God. the theme of Gods message is being challenged, worthy of His allowance of real time, to prove His glory in His love relationship with man, showing His power and glory to man and to all of heavens entities.

Don't worry God has always been in control regardless of the chapters written in the devil's/Satan's biography!
 

slave

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Jesus Christ on a cross has sealed Satans doom. Yet the devil has always been doomed. Gods timing has finished the books on the devil and time will play His verdict out now. It is Finished! All things God is concerned with has been dealt with successfully! Lucifer's rebellion and ours as well. All patiently attributed to His love for love to still reign supreme!
 

DP

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Pardon for this post being so long, but I'm covering a lot of the Biblical info that shows how to understand about Satan's modus operandi.

The devil is not 'bound' yet. Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 has not begun yet, as that is when Satan is bound for that thousand years, as written.

I realize some brethren are wrongly taught that "thousand years" of Rev.20 began at Jesus' cross, but that's not so. Christ's spiritual Kingdom as manifested through His saints is what was established on the cross by our Lord Jesus. His physical Kingdom will begin when He returns to gather His Church which is when He will sit upon David's throne, and rule all nations with "a rod of iron".

Satan's main job is to deceive. Our Heavenly Father is using him for that upon the wicked and unbelieving (Isaiah 10). That was his job established at the beginning of this world and has not changed. Satan and his angels were actually judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" prior to our Lord Jesus' crucifixion (see end of Isaiah 30 and Matthew 25:41).

This is why the title "son of perdition" is actually another title for Satan, because he has already been sentenced to perdition in the lake of fire. In Rev.9:11, this is why one of Satan's titles is "Apollyon" from Greek apollumi, which is where the word 'perdition' comes from.

Beast Kingdoms

Not many I ask realize the beast kingdom connection between the one mentioned in Rev.12 and the one in Rev.13 that's for the end of this world:

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV


That was about Satan's original rebellion of old, prior to this present world. He used a beast kingdom to first rebel against God back then, and here it shows it also had ten horns, seven heads, but only "seven crowns". The one in Rev.13 is different because it will have "ten crowns". Also verse 3 there is tied with verse 4 as to timing, which shows that was at Satan's original rebellion against The Father and The Son. Notice that is when Satan and those one third of angels were cast to the earth.

But per the Book of Job, we know Satan and his angels were able to appear before God's Throne in Heaven, and give a report, accusing the brethren, even though he then said he had been walking to and fro, up and down in the earth.

The casting out beginning at Rev.12:7 forward is different though:

Rev 12:7-13
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Later verses here reveal this particular casting out is for the last days, the very end of this present world. Satan's abode right now is in the heavenly dimension, because he is a spirit, a heavenly cherub per Ezek.28, not a flesh man. When this war happens, Satan and his angels will be literally cast out of the heavenly. There is only one other dimension they can come to, and it is our earthly dimension, meaning he is going to literally appear upon this earth for the last days. Hard to believe, but the next verses reveal it...




10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

When Satan and his angels were first cast out of Heaven at the original rebellion, our Lord Jesus had not come yet to die on the cross, to establish that "power of His Christ" idea. Likewise, Satan is still accusing us before God today, until this happens sometime in the near future. This war in Heaven he has with Archangel Michael is what the idea of Michael standing up in Daniel 12 about the latter days associated the two 1260 days periods.




11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Same subject still continuing about the devil and his angels being cast down to earth. Who are these overcomers? They are brethren in Christ Jesus who will overcome him in the last days by Christ's Blood shed on the cross. This is a clear marker that this casting event is meant for the very end of this world, and did not occur at Satan's original rebellion. There were no overcomers covered by Christ's Blood back when Satan first rebelled, for it's easy to know our Lord Jesus had not come to die on the cross back then. But this verse is linking Christian brethren and the time of Satan's casting out just above within the same... time frame.




12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Short time? What "short time" would that be? It's the short time appointed at the end of this world, the period our Lord Jesus called a time of "great tribulation". In Rev.9 through Rev.11 our Lord Jesus attached a Woe to each of the last three trumpet events (5th, 6th, and 7th). So there's the "Woe" connection for the last days also.




13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
KJV


The "woman" in the first part Rev.12 was about Old Testament Israel, the Seed of Woman of Gen.3. At Rev.12:17, the "woman" includes those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ, meaning His Church. That is who that "dragon" is coming after on earth to deceive with that symbolic flood of waters that comes out the serpent's (Satan) mouth per Rev.12:15.

In Rev.13:11 with the "another beast", we are shown one that speaks "as a dragon" coming to work great wonders and miracles on earth, raining fire from heaven in the sight of men, and it is he that is to establish the "image of the beast" in false worship over the earth in the last days.
 
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popeye

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so, outside of your assertion you have no evidence either. I don't expect any since there is none.
You act like you forgot what you said.
Your comment concerning vco's bride/groom post( mat 25) was to poo poo Jesus words as if he is no groom and there is no bride to fetch