Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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Dirtman

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That’s a strawman fallacy. If you understood the physics of Earth’s rotation you would not make such silly claims.


You are welcome to your opinion on both matters, of course. Reality is not affected by your disbelief.
Look dude. I have been places where gravity was confirmed to be. And having waved a bag around filling it with air at the location and the placed microscope slides in the bag for some time and then placed those slides under a microscope and did not see any gravitons or graviolies. Gravity is a myth sir.
 

posthuman

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Watch, a 'gravity is a myth' thread is coming soon.
empirically derived formula for buoyancy:



note the 'g'

buoyancy is a derivative property of gravity.
i.e. there is no such thing as buoyancy without gravity.
 

posthuman

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empirically derived formula for buoyancy:



note the 'g'

buoyancy is a derivative property of gravity.
i.e. there is no such thing as buoyancy without gravity.
@49 i'll be sure to repeat these facts in any upcoming thread.

buoyancy is not simply a theoretically derived equation but derived and proven through observation
the force of gravity explains buoyancy. without gravity there is no explanation for buoyancy.
((if that's where you're intending to go with that))
 

JohnDB

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I'm still trying to figure out why it matters.

I walk, drive and swim. Flat or round.

So in the grand scheme of things the reason it matters is what exactly?
 

Dino246

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Dude you do know I am making fun of how flat earthers make their arguments. It is satirical sarcasm. Sorry bro. But I did think you knew and were just playing along.
Sorry, I did not pick that up. Humble apologies.
 

posthuman

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this be a fact, can you prove it?
((that naval navigation isn't based on flat earth))

Certainly, and easily. #1 it's based on stars and observed stellar motion & distribution make zero sense and are entirely inexplicable on a FE basis, however are completely explained by an oblate-spheroid earth orbiting the sun.

#2 here read this explanation on why sextants are nonsense on FE ((read the second response))
https://www.quora.com/Man-relies-on...s-round-or-flat-like-a-rectangle-Am-I-correct
 

Dirtman

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Because its the only spherical shape that has one stable side. If the world was all wobbly we would be unable to stand. And no matter where you go it always feels like your walking up hill.
 

Dino246

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Are yo
Look dude. I have been places where gravity was confirmed to be. And having waved a bag around filling it with air at the location and the placed microscope slides in the bag for some time and then placed those slides under a microscope and did not see any gravitons or graviolies. Gravity is a myth sir.
Okay, whatever.
 

GaryA

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On earth, the shortest distance between two points is a curve, not a straight line.
I will explain in a later post what makes it true and what makes it false.
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line - even on earth.

If considering a line that is between two points on a sphere, then it is still a straight line in the geographic sense - albeit, it is bent around the curved surface of the sphere. In this particular sense, the curve "under the line" makes this statement technically correct.

However, in the sense that you mean it - a geographic curve - it is incorrect in that - the curve you are referring to is actually a curve as illustrated on a "flat" (i.e. - Mercator) map. On a globe, it would still be a straight line geographically.

You are [only] illustrating what you believe to be strictly a 'global' idea within a 'flat' frame of reference.

And, remember - the "curve" you are referring to is actually a straight line on a Flat Earth map.

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. And, on a Flat Earth map, it really is a straight line...
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I'm still trying to figure out why it matters.

I walk, drive and swim. Flat or round.

So in the grand scheme of things the reason it matters is what exactly?
It doesn't matter when a random numpty outside the church is talking rubbish.
But if people are claiming FE is a biblical principle, then it's a problem. It's terrible, witness-destroying PR for the church.
The Bible is truth, if you have to present it to non-believers, you shouldn't have to begin by mopping up a mess of stupidity
caused by brothers in Christ. It reflects on us all as a body.


"15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason
for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, "
1 Peter 3

Beside that, the utter disrespect shown for our own Christian heritage turns my stomach.
We have enough of that kind of attack from outside sources.
 
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Watch, a 'gravity is a myth' thread is coming soon.

Heard something like that a few weeks ago...wow!!
You should vote In the poll
1.)The earth Is flat
2.)The earth Is Round
3.)Other,the earth Is neither flat or Round.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out why it matters.

I walk, drive and swim. Flat or round.

So in the grand scheme of things the reason it matters is what exactly?
I wish I had've put this topic In the miscellaneous forum,I decided to create a poll not so much for responses but just a poll for general Info and If anyone DID want to respond with a statement I put In the option "other".:)
 

Moses_Young

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It doesn't matter when a random numpty outside the church is talking rubbish.
But if people are claiming FE is a biblical principle, then it's a problem. It's terrible, witness-destroying PR for the church.
The Bible is truth, if you have to present it to non-believers, you shouldn't have to begin by mopping up a mess of stupidity
caused by brothers in Christ. It reflects on us all as a body.


Beside that, the utter disrespect shown for our own Christian heritage turns my stomach.
We have enough of that kind of attack from outside sources.
Funny, that's what they said about Christians who renounced the theory of evolution once. Now pretty much even non-Christians know the theory is bunk compared to what the bible teaches.

If you look into the bible, you will find out it is also Flat Earth, as well as Creationist. Kent Hovind (champion debater of biblical creation against evolutionists) wouldn't dare to debate this subject with Rob Skiba (because Kent knew the bible supports Flat Earth). And it wouldn't surprise me that if in 30 years time or so, most will reject ball-Earth theory as they now reject the Evolution myth.
 

Gideon300

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The shortest distance between two points is a straight line - even on earth.

If considering a line that is between two points on a sphere, then it is still a straight line in the geographic sense - albeit, it is bent around the curved surface of the sphere. In this particular sense, the curve "under the line" makes this statement technically correct.

However, in the sense that you mean it - a geographic curve - it is incorrect in that - the curve you are referring to is actually a curve as illustrated on a "flat" (i.e. - Mercator) map. On a globe, it would still be a straight line geographically.

You are [only] illustrating what you believe to be strictly a 'global' idea within a 'flat' frame of reference.

And, remember - the "curve" you are referring to is actually a straight line on a Flat Earth map.

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. And, on a Flat Earth map, it really is a straight line...
I'm talking about what happens in reality, not on a map. There is no flat earth map, by the way. FE maps are simply globe maps butchered to make them appear flat.

Where possible, ships and aircraft follow a curve, not a straight line for the reason I've explained. If the earth was flat, plotting a curved course is foolish. I can assure you that it's not done to try and prove FE believers wrong. It's all do with money. Shipping and air travel is incredibly expensive. Great circle navigation decreases the distance and hence the cost in fuel and time.

If a line is bent along the curve of a sphere, it is not straight. You argument assumes a flat earth. Empirical evidence proves FE is wrong.
 

Gideon300

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This is just demonstration that the maps used are inaccurate, not that the Earth is a globe. Perhaps the maps are inaccurate because the Earth is flat?

This is simple geometry and trigonometry, but doesn't determine whether the maps inaccurate because the Earth is flat (and those creating them don't want you to know), or because the Earth is a ball and the cartographers are too lazy to map it onto a curved map. I don't buy the latter.
Tell me how many man hours and how many ships/aircraft flat earthers have employed to map the earth's surface. Don't bother, I'll tell you. None. Zero. Not any. How you can imagine that the maps are inaccurate is beyond me. The FE maps I've seen are butchered versions of the globe. How do you imagine that Google Earth was produced? By wrapping an FE map around an orange? How do you explain the actual images? I've lived in four different countries and at least 20 different towns. I can find them on Google Earth. It's not fake. If it was, it would be obvious to everyone in no time.
 

Gideon300

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This is a common fallacy attributed to Flat Earth. In reality, the Antarctic ice-wall (or the firmament) would stop people falling off the edge of the map.

However, as Flat Earth is just an observation (note that no one observes a ball-Earth), the burden of proof is on those postulating ball-Earth theory, not on those simply relying on observation.

Only if you first assume ball-Earth theory to be true, which is circular reasoning. If the sun or moon is blocked by the atmosphere (as some Flat Earthers theorise), this adequately explains the sun/moon rise/set. Note that if the reason for the sun/moon rise/set is that the sun or moon is blocked by the Earth (ball-Earth theory), this does not adequately explain the occurrences of sun/moon rise/set that can occur above the horizon.
The earth has been observed to be a ball. 12 people have seen the ball earth from the surface of the moon. Over 500 people have been into space. There are countless spy satellites photographing the earth as well as GPS, survey, weather, communication and other satellites. They all demonstrate empirically that the earth is a globe.
 

GaryA

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I'm talking about what happens in reality, not on a map.
In reality, what-I-believe-you-are-saying is impossible.

In reality, the shortest path between two points is geographically a straight line - with-or-without any curvature "under" it. Such a line may be represented on a Mercator map as a curved line - but, on a globe [earth map], it is geographically a straight line with curvature "under" it. Any curved line between those same two points is longer - "There are no two ways about it..." - that is the [physical] reality.

I keep using the word 'geographically' (because it is the one you are used to hearing) to keep this in the 'map' realm.

The straight-line path between any two points on a sphere will pass through the sphere; however, within the 'geographical' context, it is a 'straight' line across the surface of the sphere with curvature "under" it.

Where possible, ships and aircraft follow a curve, not a straight line for the reason I've explained.
Nope. What you are thinking about is geographically a straight line [across the map].

If all you are trying to say is that - on a globe - the shortest path between two points - following a spherical surface curvature - is a curved line having spherical surface curvature "under" it (but geographically a straight line otherwise) --- then, I think we are in agreement!

If, on the other hand, you are saying that the shortest path between two points - following a spherical surface curvature - but, that is also curved in the lateral sense - such that it would appear curved on a globe [earth map] --- then, we are not in agreement.

If the earth was flat, plotting a curved course is foolish.
If the earth was spherical, plotting a curved course is foolish. (by the same reasoning)

If a line is bent along the curve of a sphere, it is not straight.
In '3D' terms - of course - and, I explained that above.

In 'geographical' terms, the shortest path between two points is a straight line - period.

You argument assumes a flat earth.
Your argument assumes a globe earth.

And, for you to make a big deal over the curvature "under" a geographical straight line on a globe (if that is what you are doing) - is pretty needless and senseless in the context of the discussion - don't you think???

If all of this doesn't hit the mark precisely, then will you please attempt to explain yourself in a totally different way so that I may understand what you really meant...?

Because - from my perspective - all you are really trying to say is:

"The fact that the earth is a globe proves that the earth is a globe."

(Which is a profoundly illogical form of direct circular reasoning.)
 

GaryA

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Tell me how many man hours and how many ships/aircraft flat earthers have employed to map the earth's surface. Don't bother, I'll tell you. None. Zero. Not any. How you can imagine that the maps are inaccurate is beyond me. The FE maps I've seen are butchered versions of the globe. How do you imagine that Google Earth was produced? By wrapping an FE map around an orange? How do you explain the actual images? I've lived in four different countries and at least 20 different towns. I can find them on Google Earth. It's not fake. If it was, it would be obvious to everyone in no time.
I guess you are not aware that Google Earth is made from composite images that come from "stitched-together" airplane fly-over photography...?