Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

[seed_time_harvest]

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The Earth is pretty much flat where I live. Three miles east of here the Earth
is bumpy. Fifty miles east and it's really bumpy. Mount Hood is like 11,250
feet above sea level.

One of my favorite geological wonders is Arches National Park in Utah USA,
and another is Canyon Lands National Park, also in Utah. Some very smart
people have yet to figure out how nature formed the amazing features in
those areas; but I'm guessing that God, the most skillful painter/sculptor
that there is, did it because He wanted to leave His mark on the Earth by
creating something spectacular.

"He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. You
covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the
mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took
to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you
appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that the
waters might not again cover the earth." (Ps 104:5-9)

That passage is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains
rising, and valleys sinking speaks of magma pressure and tectonic plate
subduction-- on-going titanic forces that keep the Earth's surface in a
perpetual state of alteration.

Now, it's right about here that young-earth theorists have a problem
because it's obvious from physical evidence that much of the Earth's higher
elevations were inundated for a very long time before they were pushed up
to where they are now.

Take for example Mount Everest. Today its tippy top is something like
29,029 feet above sea level. The discovery of fossilized sea lilies near its
summit proves that the Himalayan land mass has not always been
mountainous; but at one time was the floor of an ancient sea bed. This is
confirmed by the "yellow band" below Everest's summit consisting of
limestone: a type of rock made from calcite sediments containing the
skeletal remains of countless trillions of organisms who lived, not on dry
land, rather, underwater in an ocean.
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[seed_time_harvest]

@SavedByGrace00 I never thought that you would be In the group that believes that the earth Is F l a t!😬

 

[Dino246]

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

Serious Bible students aren't stumped in the least regarding the age of the Earth, because the '4.5 billion year age' is complete speculation based on unscientific assumptions.

Anyway, we're hijacking this thread now. I suggest we leave off this topic, or continue in an appropriate thread.

 

[DavidTree]

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• Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

* There are two primary kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is
a creation day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep
those two kinds of days distinct and separate in our thinking because they
are as unalike in size as stones and gravel.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.

However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
natural day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
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You said: "
However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. "

this is like lol x10,000,000 years of lol

 

[cv5]

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Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously.

Hardly. FYI, a Plasma universe theoretical approach lends a near-instantaneous creation scenario, and precisely the same sequence seen in Genesis. Stars and sun "lit up" on the FOURTH day.

Creation Week, part 1 (barrysetterfield.org)

"The Earth before the sun?

Now there is another interesting ‘problem’ which people bring up. The Bible indicates the earth was formed and rotating before the sun was possibly formed, or at least lit up. Is this possible?

This is not only possible, it is to be expected with plasma filaments. Plasma filaments themselves can, and do, fragment into what would remind one of a cable with a lot of wires in it. "

Creation Week, part 2 (barrysetterfield.org)

 

[cv5]

Hardly. FYI, a Plasma universe theoretical approach lends a near-instantaneous creation scenario, and precisely the same sequence seen in Genesis. Stars and sun "lit up" on the FOURTH day.

Creation Week, part 1 (barrysetterfield.org)

"The Earth before the sun?

Now there is another interesting ‘problem’ which people bring up. The Bible indicates the earth was formed and rotating before the sun was possibly formed, or at least lit up. Is this possible?

This is not only possible, it is to be expected with plasma filaments. Plasma filaments themselves can, and do, fragment into what would remind one of a cable with a lot of wires in it. "

Creation Week, part 2 (barrysetterfield.org)

The Problems with Evolution.

Creation Week, part 2 (barrysetterfield.org)

 

[DavidTree]

Hardly.

First of all, the Bible does NOT state that creation is 6000 y/o. My estimation is probably closer to 20-30K....maybe even longer.

http://genevaninstitute.org/syllabu...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

Secondly, this world has been formed and reformed by massive CATASTROPHISM. No doubt about it. Catastrophism is the rule, not the exception. The flood, the Babel disaster, the Peleg disaster, the ongoing disasters so noted in Job......

All of geology/ice ages etc and extinctions/fossils can be VERY easily shoehorned into 20-30K years. No problema....

BTW....I do not agree with everything Barry has to say or concludes. But very much of it is extremely useful.

Earth Catastrophes In the Time of Job - Genesis Science Research - Barry Setterfield - YouTube

GSR Updates - YouTube

The fossil record is from the Flood and this has easily been observed/proven by truthful science.

All truth agrees with God's words.

 

[cv5]

GENESIS ONE TO ELEVEN – CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

Genesis study, introduction (barrysetterfield.org)

Barry is on the right track here......

 

[Polar]

 

[Webers.Home]

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Anyway, we're hijacking this thread now. I suggest we leave off this topic, or
continue in an appropriate thread.

I should think that after 1,300+ comments, the original issue should've been
resolved by now instead of the same old points being hashed over, and over,
and over, and over again. Borrrrrrrreeeeeeng!
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[SavedByGrace00]

@SavedByGrace00 I never thought that you would be In the group that believes that the earth Is F l a t!😬

We know each other?

 

[GaryA]

The sun's position relative to the OH is not an "interpretation".

Maybe - maybe not - it depends on how much distortion of reality is injected by the camera.

Nonetheless, what you have presented is not enough information to complete the picture.

Which way (exactly, precisely) is 'true north'? There is no way of knowing just looking at a 'basic' picture. Without something like a clearly-visible-and-readable properly-utilized trustworthy compass included in the picture - it really is not worth a whole lot with regard to trying to prove your point.

 

[SavedByGrace00]

Hardly.

First of all, the Bible does NOT state that creation is 6000 y/o. My estimation is probably closer to 20-30K....maybe even longer.

http://genevaninstitute.org/syllabu...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

Secondly, this world has been formed and reformed by massive CATASTROPHISM. No doubt about it. Catastrophism is the rule, not the exception. The flood, the Babel disaster, the Peleg disaster, the ongoing disasters so noted in Job......

All of geology/ice ages etc and extinctions/fossils can be VERY easily shoehorned into 20-30K years. No problema....

BTW....I do not agree with everything Barry has to say or concludes. But very much of it is extremely useful.

Earth Catastrophes In the Time of Job - Genesis Science Research - Barry Setterfield - YouTube

GSR Updates - YouTube

A
Adams chronological chart seems to think 6000 yrs is about right. The timeline fits the Bible and Gods word is infallible.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adams_Synchronological_Chart,_1881.jpg
the chart is too large to upload, it’s a 24 foot long book with all the genealogies charted out.

 

[GaryA]

Where is the observational research work, science & verified evidence that explains the continuous cycle & separation of night & day on a stationary disc? Who are the scientists in that field of study & at which universities did they qualify ?
Where might we find their peer-reviewed academic papers? What history does this field of study have?

Oh - there is the problem right there...

The idea that - without the "white-coat authority", no one on earth:

~ has any common sense

~ can think for themselves

~ can learn anything from God

 

[GaryA]

We need a new physics that explains how the moon & man-made satellites are in orbit around a flat, stationary disc without poles & gravity.

No - you just need to learn how to discern 'real' physics from 'fake' physics.

 

[SavedByGrace00]

Hardly.

First of all, the Bible does NOT state that creation is 6000 y/o. My estimation is probably closer to 20-30K....maybe even longer.

http://genevaninstitute.org/syllabu...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

Secondly, this world has been formed and reformed by massive CATASTROPHISM. No doubt about it. Catastrophism is the rule, not the exception. The flood, the Babel disaster, the Peleg disaster, the ongoing disasters so noted in Job......

All of geology/ice ages etc and extinctions/fossils can be VERY easily shoehorned into 20-30K years. No problema....

BTW....I do not agree with everything Barry has to say or concludes. But very much of it is extremely useful.

Earth Catastrophes In the Time of Job - Genesis Science Research - Barry Setterfield - YouTube

GSR Updates - YouTube

 

[SavedByGrace00]

Hardly. FYI, a Plasma universe theoretical approach lends a near-instantaneous creation scenario, and precisely the same sequence seen in Genesis. Stars and sun "lit up" on the FOURTH day.

Creation Week, part 1 (barrysetterfield.org)

"The Earth before the sun?

Now there is another interesting ‘problem’ which people bring up. The Bible indicates the earth was formed and rotating before the sun was possibly formed, or at least lit up. Is this possible?

This is not only possible, it is to be expected with plasma filaments. Plasma filaments themselves can, and do, fragment into what would remind one of a cable with a lot of wires in it. "

Creation Week, part 2 (barrysetterfield.org)

God is the light, and Jesus is the lamp…
Revelation 21:23

[23] And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

 

[GaryA]

Something called "precession" bro.....

I think not.

Not to mention - we are talking about a 24-hour timeframe.

You should stop while you are ahead not-so-far-behind...

 

[GaryA]

• Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

You need a better bible version.

Genesis 1:

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Six 'regular' days.

 

[GaryA]

The Bible indicates the earth was formed and rotating before the sun was possibly formed, or at least lit up.

Where exactly is that verse?