Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?

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KJV1611 said:
In Hebrews it says that Enoch was translated that he should not SEE death. It doesn’t say that Enoch's body didn’t die, only that Enoch didn’t see the death of his body.

Would you agree that Enoch’s spirit was translated out of his body and then his body died?
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No sir....im going to have to go with clear scripture that plainly says Enoch didn't die......just like Elijah didn't die.....may have something to do with a scripture in Revelations about 2 witnesses laying in the street????

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV
 
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Well the op has stated that the pre-trib is false teaching, what if I could prove that it is not but infact necessary to happen?

What if I could show you right in the gospels where it begins and will soon take place?

Would anyone be interested?
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Yes
 
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No sir....im going to have to go with clear scripture that plainly says Enoch didn't die......just like Elijah didn't die.....may have something to do with a scripture in Revelations about 2 witnesses laying in the street????

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:5 KJV
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That’s funny that you say “Im going to have to go with scripture that plainly says Enoch didn’t die” when scripture doesn’t say that.

But enough of that, I’ve made my points and I agree to disagree. :)
 
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KJV1611 said:
Yes past tense because it happened here.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
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It seems that your views on these matters differs from most. May I ask what type of church do you attend? and do they teach these things or are these things just something you have put together yourself?
 
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Nebuchadnezzer said:
It seems that your views on these matters differs from most. May I ask what type of church do you attend? and do they teach these things or are these things just something you have put together yourself?
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I stopped going to church many years ago after I began to read the Bible for myself and figured out that everything I was taught was wrong. The Lord has taught me through the word from that time on. I just read the Bible and believe exactly what it says as it’s written. That’s the only way to come to the truth.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I stopped going to church many years ago after I began to read the Bible for myself and figured out that everything I was taught was wrong. The Lord has taught me through the word from that time on. I just read the Bible and believe exactly what it says as it’s written. That’s the only way to come to the truth.
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And that right there explains a lot. Even jesus studied the scriptures and went to temple.
 
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How could you find, something that doesn't exist in scripture.

You might find a pre-trib rapture in books of man, but not the scripture, a fact
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So is that a yes or no?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I stopped going to church many years ago after I began to read the Bible for myself and figured out that everything I was taught was wrong. The Lord has taught me through the word from that time on. I just read the Bible and believe exactly what it says as it’s written. That’s the only way to come to the truth.
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What about all the scriptures that show the necessity of church and the gift of a pastor, teachers to help us grow?
 
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What about all the scriptures that show the necessity of church and the gift of a pastor, teachers to help us grow?
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I don't attend corporate church, I hang out with and converse with many believers. Corporate churches told me my bible had errors, I can't sit under that type of teaching.
 
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One of the disciples asked Jesus how he would manifest himself to the church but hide himself from the world.

Jesus said he would reveal himself to whoever keeps his words.

If you guys are sitting under an authority that tells you that your Bible contains errors, you need to get out of it because Jesus is hidden from you.
 
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KJV1611 said:
One of the disciples asked Jesus how he would manifest himself to the church but hide himself from the world.

Jesus said he would reveal himself to whoever keeps his words.

If you guys are sitting under an authority that tells you that your Bible contains errors, you need to get out of it because Jesus is hidden from you.
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I would run out of a Church that told me the Bible contained errors too but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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For those of you who think Enoch’s body didn’t die, was it taken up into heaven or what?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I stopped going to church many years ago after I began to read the Bible for myself and figured out that everything I was taught was wrong. The Lord has taught me through the word from that time on. I just read the Bible and believe exactly what it says as it’s written. That’s the only way to come to the truth.
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Yeah Right

Like there is no future second coming of Jesus Christ, or a Bodily resurrection of the believer, that you believe and teach
 
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Yeah Right

Like there is no future second coming of Jesus Christ, or a Bodily resurrection of the believer, that you believe and teach
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Jesus will come for me just like he came for Stephen and all the rest of his people. And yes I do believe when he comes for me I’ll get my glorified body right there on the spot and so shall I ever be with the lord.
 
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Those day? Do you mean resurrection or second coming?
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The resurrection was his second coming to this world. Jesus will come again for each of us just prior to the death of this body.
 
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KJV1611 said:
One of the disciples asked Jesus how he would manifest himself to the church but hide himself from the world.

Jesus said he would reveal himself to whoever keeps his words.

If you guys are sitting under an authority that tells you that your Bible contains errors, you need to get out of it because Jesus is hidden from you.
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Are you talking about someone telling you that English translations don't always carry the same shades of meaning as the original languages? And sometimes mistakes are made such as translating a Greek world for an oil fed lampstand into the English word candlestick which were not even used until the middle ages? That is not the corporate church that is being educated.
 
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