Is the Gift of Tongues for everyone???

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Apostol2013

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The "gift of tongues" as per 1Corinthians is not the same thing as the different operations of tongues. The Holy Spirit is the source of both, and gives the utterance to both. However, one operation of tongues is evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is thought of as receiving a car battery, powering the power locks, the power windows, and it is the power supply that initially starts the car. My point is very specific, everyone in the book of Acts that received the Holy Spirit had spoken in tongues, which we will examine in just a moment. This was the evidence of having received the battery.

The exhaust coming out of the running car did not start the car, it is simply proof that the car is running.

Now, having received the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues, which EVERYONE had done because they received the battery (the Holy Spirit). Therefore, now having the battery, they then became a candidate to receive the "GIFTS" of the spirit as per 1Corinthians (one of which is the gift of tongues).


The differences are as follows:

1. the "gift of tongues" (1Corinthians 12:10 - this is the one that everybody talks about)
2. intercession (Romans 8:26 - speaking in tongues through intercessory prayer)
3. upon first receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4 - initially receiving the car battery)


Lets examine these and begin with the book of Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Tongues and the interpretation takes place within a gathering of believers, usually taking place in church. Being moved by the Holy Spirit, a person stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down. A second person then stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down, and so a third. Then comes the interpretation. This is all done in an orderly fashion. The message is for time and place, and is for the edification of that body of believers.


However, that is not the only mode of tongues, and thereby controversy through misunderstanding. Lets turn to the book of Romans:

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

This speaks of an intercessory mode of tongues. With this we make intercessory prayer, and have confidence that our prayers are in God’s will.

Intercessory tongues is a mode or operation whereby the spirit moves. The Holy Spirit giving the utterance. This is something on a personal level, meeting a personal need, either for us or interceeding on someone's behalf.


The amazing thing about tongues, is that the Lord wants us to know it is available to everyone that has, or will have, the Holy Spirit as seen in the book of Acts. Which brings us to speaking in tongues as initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit the Bible way:

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Throughout the book of Acts, everyone that received the Holy spirit had received with speaking in tongues as the spirit gave the utterance. Now, within the controversy there are some quick to point out a few scriptures whereby it is simply not recorded either one way or the other. However, they cannot provide a single scripture that says someone failed to speak in tongues. We do have tons of scripture that folks did speak in tongues, but simply a non-statement does NOT mean that anyone has not spoken, it is simply not mentioned.

Here is a scriptural example:

This is an account of the exact same event. Only one account offers more information than the other. See if you can spot it:

Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

You are correct, it was John that lists the name of the servant who's ear was smote off, AND lists the name of the person that had drew the sword. We have observed that the other scripture did not mention these facts, but where it is not mentioned does not mean that it did not happen.



Lets continue and find out how we can receive what God has offered to us:

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
[13] Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
[14] But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
[15] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To apply Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, we need to do exactly what Peter said to do...

1. Death = Repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

I have spoken to people from around the world and find it amazing, those that do not speak in tongues, presume to be the foremost authority on the subject. Please don't let anyone tell you that you cannot receive something, that God himself, has waiting.


God Bless!
Well said my brother there are different operation of tongues and multiple diver gift of tongues wich is my gifting and the interpretation of tongues is far more important God will bless everyone that ask in good faith for interpretation but with the gift of interpretation comes a responsibility we must carry out as God had also blessed me with the gift all we need to do is ask that we may receive if done in good will.
 

Apostol2013

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No. The gift of tongues is not for everyone. It is only for those whom God chooses to give it to. (1 Cor 12:10) However the gift of the Holy Ghost is for everyone! (Acts 2:28-39) And it is accompanied by tongues! (Acts 2:1-4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:1-6)

One more thing: Don't says that tongues is not real just because you have see an abundance of fakes and imitators. I don't see anybody throwing their paychecks in the trash because there is counterfeit money out there! The Holy Ghost is REAL. Speaking in tongues is REAL! Yes people can fake speaking in tongues, but they can't fake have the REAL Holy Ghost because the REAL Holy Ghost will change the way you live!
In this matter not everyone believes but the true body of christ believes wholeheartedly in truth and sincerity but the gift of the holy ghost and tongues is for as many as are called . But this passage says called but not everyone is chosen as this pertains to the obedience to christ Our Lord Jesus said that the Father will give the Holy spirit to as many of His children that accepts the calling but salvation pertains to obedience andfulll submission to die to the flesh and live through the spirit in all uprightness , and many argue the fact of no one can walk upright and perfect but in this through total surrendering to christ then through the being reborn of the word the spirit can clean the vessel inwardly where the believer will be upright not through their works for their own works were evil but God's works are perfect therefore it is not us being perfect but our God being perfect for us .that He lives and we are but no more i am a living testimony to what prayer in the spirit does through tongues and groanings in the spirit the work of the Holy Ghost is wonderful and brings full joy i do not worry if they do not believe but instead rejoice for I know God is true in apostolic faith not like the world knows it but as Christ Our Lord and God Has revealed to us that we may be faithfull witnesses to His blood ,discerning His blood allways .
 
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You try them against scripture. It's simple. We don't need some intuition to tell us because we have the answers in our hands and free for anyone to study and see. If what they say/do doesn't line up with what is written in scripture, they aren't to be trusted. It blows my mind how many people still search for extra-biblical knowledge when all the knowledge we need has already been revealed to us.

Is the bible so lacking that people have to look to signs or outside sources for knowledge and belief? Is God's Word not sufficient? Extra-biblical knowledge and intuition is the problem with the modern church and why so many are falling away from the faith. They don't trust God's Word as sufficient so they chase every spirit that speaks to them and call it God.
Apparently you believe the Bible is lacking, because you have disbelieve a portion of it. I am not talking about tongues here, but other things.

There is no extra Biblical Knowledge, only the uncovering of existing knowledge that is gained from Spiritual revelation by the Holy Ghost, you ought to study out 1 Corinthians 2 and let it speak to you.

The Bible says your wrong about it all being revealed to you, now who is acting like GOD? you are, because its evident you know everything that GOD wants you to know.
 
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But doesn't that contradict these verses?

Matthew 6:7-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters,
since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Don’t be like them,
because your Father knows the things you need before you ask Him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Therefore,
you should pray like this:
Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.]

Didn't HE give us that as a model for ALL prayer, not one to be memorized and recited mindlessly?
How many types of prayers are found in the Bible?
 

notuptome

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Word of knowledge and word of wisdom is still given to us by the gift of holy spirit - it is how the spirit gives us information on things that we need help with in our lives; If I ask God something and he gives me an answer it would be in the category of word of knowledge or word of wisdom. We also need the manifestation of discerning of spirits - is that still available or is it only tongues and word of knowledge that have ceased?

Beloved, believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God becaue many false prophets are gone out into the world. . . . . I believe that would be the manifestation of discerning of spirits.

I believe 'face to face' to be when we see Jesus face to face . . . he is that which is perfect.
Believe what you want but that does not make it sound doctrine from the bible. Sound doctrine comes from biblical study and application of concerted effort in discipleship. That is what Paul instructed Timothy to do and so instructs us all to do.

For the cause of Christ
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How many types of prayers are found in the Bible?
Matthew 6:7-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters, since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8[/SUP]Don’t be like them, because your Father knows the things you need before you ask Him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“
Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.]

I am not understanding why the THEREFORE, the YOU, and the LIKE THIS, does not apply to you?

Is that not saying don't pray in unknown babbling languages like the Greek mystery religions were famous for, don't be like them? And as a model for all prayer, is that not saying? :
THEREFORE, our prayers should be in our own language with the model being: honor GOD, pray for the advancement of the Kingdom, submitting to HIS will, pray for genuine NEEDS and not wants, pray for forgiveness and the ability to forgive others, and for the ability to resist temptation and the devil, closing the prayer no matter what it is with, AMEN (meaning - so be it truly).

Is that not an accurate paraphrase of how he commanded us to PRAY, every time we do pray?
 
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Matthew 6:7-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When you pray, don’t babble like the idolaters, since they imagine they’ll be heard for their many words.
[SUP]8[/SUP]Don’t be like them, because your Father knows the things you need before you ask Him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“
Therefore, you should pray like this: Our Father in heaven, Your name be honored as holy.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us today our daily bread.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.]

I am not understanding why the THEREFORE, the YOU, and the LIKE THIS, does not apply to you?

Is that not saying don't pray in unknown babbling languages like the Greek mystery religions were famous for, don't be like them? And as a model for all prayer, is that not saying? :
THEREFORE, our prayers should be in our own language with the model being: honor GOD, pray for the advancement of the Kingdom, submitting to HIS will, pray for genuine NEEDS and not wants, pray for forgiveness and the ability to forgive others, and for the ability to resist temptation and the devil, closing the prayer no matter what it is with, AMEN (meaning - so be it truly).

Is that not an accurate paraphrase of how he commanded us to PRAY, every time we do pray?
I am sorry, I never asked you to continue bashing me, nor did I question you on HOW we pray.

I asked you straight up how many types of prayer are found in the Bible.


I am still waiting.
 

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No, they spoke coherent human languages that were miraculously understood or learned by divine gifting. What you guys do today is far from a miracle and faked by even children. You can't even tell the difference if someone is faking it or not. Miracles from God are undeniable, nature defying, and unexplainable. The modern "tongues" are a fabrication. I am not calling anything satanic, those were your words, not mine. I am calling it a fake at the very least. Beyond that, it is between those practicing it and God.
Good Post. I want to give you some food for thought. Here is the portion of Scripture describing the main Miracle of TONGUES.

Acts 2:3-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And tongues, like flames of fire that were divided, appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different languages, as the Spirit gave them ability for speech.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] There were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] When this sound occurred, a crowd came together and was confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language(dialektos).
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And they were astounded and amazed, saying, “Look, aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? (I believe that was said because Galileans were known to have a thick accent, yet none was detected.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] How is it that each of us can hear in our own native language (dialektos)?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Parthians, Medes, Elamites; those who live in Mesopotamia, in Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking the magnificent acts of God in our own languages (dialektos).”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They were all astounded and perplexed, saying to one another, “What could this be?”
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But some sneered and said, “They’re full of new wine!”
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice, and proclaimed to them: “Men of Judah and all you residents of Jerusalem, let me explain this to you and pay attention to my words.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it’s only nine in the morning.

1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For Jews demand signs { before the will believe something is from GOD } and Greeks seek wisdom,

Now there are 14 Countries or Regions mentioned in that portion of Scripture, but the Greek word is dialektos, which is dialect and it's accent. So there can be many dialects within one Country. They appear to have been speaking only a short amount of time, ( verse 6, 15, AND Acts 2:40 (HCSB) [SUP] "[/SUP]And with many other words he testified and strongly urged them, saying, “Be saved from this corrupt generation!” ; when someone at 9 o'clock in the crowd yelled: " “Look, aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? How is it that each of us can hear in our own native language (dialektos)?"

Think about it, 14 different languages plus the different dialects of each language; AND it is only 9:00 AM. I doubt if there was time for Peter, not even counting the others, to speak and repeat it over and over and over, etc., in each dialektos.

Is the full Truth then that the genuine Miracle of TONGUES a two sided coin. One side is a believer is given the miraculous gift to speak a language he never learned, while the other side of that same coin is the HEARER then miraculously hears the message in his own dialect and accent?
 
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Good Post. I want to give you some food for thought. Here is the portion of Scripture describing the main Miracle of TONGUES.

Acts 2:3-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And tongues, like flames of fire that were divided, appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different languages, as the Spirit gave them ability for speech.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] There were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] When this sound occurred, a crowd came together and was confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language(dialektos).
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And they were astounded and amazed, saying, “Look, aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? (I believe that was said because Galileans were known to have a thick accent, yet none was detected.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] How is it that each of us can hear in our own native language (dialektos)?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Parthians, Medes, Elamites; those who live in Mesopotamia, in Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking the magnificent acts of God in our own languages (dialektos).”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They were all astounded and perplexed, saying to one another, “What could this be?”
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But some sneered and said, “They’re full of new wine!”
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice, and proclaimed to them: “Men of Judah and all you residents of Jerusalem, let me explain this to you and pay attention to my words.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it’s only nine in the morning.

1 Corinthians 14:21-22 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

1 Corinthians 1:22 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For Jews demand signs { before the will believe something is from GOD } and Greeks seek wisdom,

Now there are 14 Countries or Regions mentioned in that portion of Scripture, but the Greek word is dialektos, which is dialect and it's accent. So there can be many dialects within one Country. They appear to have been speaking only a short amount of time, ( verse 6, 15, AND Acts 2:40 (HCSB) [SUP] "[/SUP]And with many other words he testified and strongly urged them, saying, “Be saved from this corrupt generation!” ; when someone at 9 o'clock in the crowd yelled: " “Look, aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? How is it that each of us can hear in our own native language (dialektos)?"

Think about it, 14 different languages plus the different dialects of each language; AND it is only 9:00 AM. I doubt if there was time for Peter, not even counting the others, to speak and repeat it over and over and over, etc., in each dialektos.

Is the full Truth then that the genuine Miracle of TONGUES a two sided coin. One side is a believer is given the miraculous gift to speak a language he never learned, while the other side of that same coin is the HEARER then miraculously hears the message in his own dialect and accent?
yo Professor, I am still waiting....

How many types of Prayer are found in the Bible?
 

VCO

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When the perfect comes is talking about Love. This is is why he continues the greatest is love. This verse is used out of context to say there is no more tongues and prophesy. But that doesn't make any sense at all.

Especially since Paul goes on to say forbid no one to speak in tongues or prophesy.

As far as Acts, there is 2 miracles going on here:

1. There are hundreds of people speaking and the men heard their own language. If hundreds of people were speaking you'd have no idea what they were saying, this is 2 miracles, one they heard, two it was in their language.

2. As far as known languages being what Paul is talking about, he says no one understands him but God, he says angelic languages, he says he wishes all would speak in tongues as much as him, and he says his mind doesn't know what its saying, and finally at the end of 14 he explains the OT says that the people will not listen to God who speaks to people through stammering lips because they DON'T understand.

These things are pretty clear if you are open to the answer being yes there is tongues today. If you're not you'll find reasons to say they aren't clear.

I have written with many Scriptures showing that tongues are for today in other posts only to be ignored. So I won't repeat that pattern. If you're interested you can look into the items of discussed above. If not that's between you and the Holy Spirit, it's between you and Him anyway.

However be careful when people say that you can know everything about God through Scripture, we must have the Holy Spirit reveal His Words. It is those who follow the Spirit that are the sons of God. The Pharisees knew Scripture very well, but they didn't know the Author.

It is for this reason that I feel Paul said above all that we would speak in prophesy in churches. This is above any other gifts like miracles, healing, finances, administration, teaching, etc.

C.
Here is why we believe it is the completed WORD OF GOD itself.

2 Samuel 22:31 (NKJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the LORD is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him.

Mark 16:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

Psalm 19:7 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;

Job 36:4 (ESV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For truly my words are not false; one who is perfect in knowledge is with you.

Now didn't Paul also say:

1 Corinthians 14:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

1 Corinthians 10:23-24 (ASV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor's good {or edification}.

Romans 14:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another.

And then read:

1 Corinthians 14:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies {proclaims the Word of God without error} edifies the church.

Now I ask you, did Paul in the verse above give us a reason to speak in tongues or a reason NOT TO?
 

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yo Professor, I am still waiting....

How many types of Prayer are found in the Bible?

TWO, those done GOD's way and Those done other than GOD's way.
 

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I thought it might be interesting to look at the definition of tongues from the original Greek. Every time that it is used, it is the same word. I found this.

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  1. the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
  2. a tongue
    1. the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations
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Nowhere was it defined as anything other than a language or dialect in use by a particular people.

I was on a private tour around southern Italy. We were visiting an area that made a unique Italian Sausage that was to be a part of our evening meal. Our interpreter told us as we left that she spoke about 20 different dialects of Italian. She said that she only understood about a fourth of what the young man who sold it said. It was like this all over the Mediterranean during the time of Paul. This is the tongues that Paul is talking about in the New Testament. God gave him the ability to speak in and understand those unknown dialects, and wished that everyone had that ability (gift).
 

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I am sorry, I never asked you to continue bashing me, nor did I question you on HOW we pray.

I asked you straight up how many types of prayer are found in the Bible.


I am still waiting.

I never did bash you, I politely asked you questions, because I really do not understand how you circumvent HIS command to pray like this, instead of an unknown language LIKE that of those in the Worship of Zeus and the other Greek gods were using. If you have a problem with what the verses say, that is between you and God, and not between you and me.

And I did answer your question, apparently you just did not like the answer.
 
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Kerry

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I never did bash you, I politely asked you questions, because I really do not understand how you circumvent HIS command to pray like this, instead of an unknown language LIKE that of those in the Worship of Zeus and the other Greek gods were using. If you have a problem with what the verses say, that is between you and God, and not between you and me.

And I did answer your question, apparently you just did not like the answer.
Paul said " I will pray with my understanding and I will pray in the Spirit" what do you think that means? It means that when he prayed in the Spirit he did not understand what we has praying. Tongues.
 

VCO

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Paul said " I will pray with my understanding and I will pray in the Spirit" what do you think that means? It means that when he prayed in the Spirit he did not understand what we has praying. Tongues.

First of all, let me show you what it cannot mean.

Romans 8:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

So then, what does it mean.

Job 32:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Psalm 143:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Teach me to do Your will, For You are my God; Your Spirit is good. Lead me in the land of uprightness.

Proverbs 16:19-20 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD.

Isaiah 26:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee earnestly: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.

Now since the Holy Spirit leads us to walk according to HIS WILL, is it NOT equally logical that He will lead us to PRAY ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, even when it is silently in our heads.
 
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VCO

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I hit post reply by accident, before I added this verse.

Ephesians 6:18 (HCSB)

[SUP]18 [/SUP] Pray at all times in the Spirit with every prayer and request, and stay alert in this with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints.

Is that definition plain enough?
 
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The_highwayman

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First of all, let me show you what it cannot mean.

Romans 8:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

So then, what does it mean.

Job 32:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Psalm 143:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Teach me to do Your will, For You are my God; Your Spirit is good.Lead me in the land of uprightness.

Proverbs 16:19-20 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers, and blessed is he who trusts in the LORD.

Isaiah 26:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee earnestly: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.

Now since the Holy Spirit leads us to walk according to HIS WILL, is it NOT equally logical that He will lead us to PRAY ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, even when it is silently in our heads.
Your last statement here actually is refuted by the Bible...I am done here, you contradict the word of God...
 
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The_highwayman

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Actually there are 6-9 different types of prayer and all are done God's way.

A few examples:
Prayer of forgiveness
Prayer of intercession
Prayer of agreement
Prayer of Faith


It is very obvious you dont have a grasp on prayer in general so anything you have to say about praying in the spirit or the holy ghost means nothing to me.
 

VCO

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VCO said:
Now since the Holy Spirit leads us to walk according to HIS WILL, is it NOT equally logical that He will lead us to PRAY ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, even when it is silently in our heads.
Your last statement here actually is refuted by the Bible...I am done here, you contradict the word of God...
John 14:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

Luke 4:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness

Matthew 6:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] 'And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.']

1 Corinthians 12:6 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone.

Micah 3:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the LORD, And of justice and might, To declare to Jacob his transgression And to Israel his sin.

Romans 15:13 (ESV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

Ephesians 3:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊I pray⌋ that He may grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power in the inner man through His Spirit,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and that the Messiah may dwell in your hearts through faith. ⌊I pray⌋ that you, being rooted and firmly established in love,

2 Timothy 1:7 (GW)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] God didn't give us a cowardly spirit but a spirit of power, love, and good judgment.

Galatians 5:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


How many verses do you have to ignore, misinterpret, or fail to read, to continue to put your trust in your feelings and experience, instead of what the Word of GOD says?

I will be praying for you!
 

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Apparently you believe the Bible is lacking, because you have disbelieve a portion of it. I am not talking about tongues here, but other things.

There is no extra Biblical Knowledge, only the uncovering of existing knowledge that is gained from Spiritual revelation by the Holy Ghost, you ought to study out 1 Corinthians 2 and let it speak to you.

The Bible says your wrong about it all being revealed to you, now who is acting like GOD? you are, because its evident you know everything that GOD wants you to know.
Apparently my faith in Christ is insufficient for my salvation then (according to your logic) because I do not chase signs and wonders. Babbling incoherently does nothing.

Matthew 12
[SUP]34 [/SUP]O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

[SUP]35 [/SUP]A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
How can you give account for speech you yourself don't even understand? Good luck explaining that one to God when the time comes.

Matthew 12
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

[SUP]40 [/SUP]For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

[SUP]41 [/SUP]The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Faith in Christ alone is sufficient for those of us who believe.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3[/SUP]Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[SUP][b][/SUP] is revealed, the son of destruction,[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Who fits these descriptions? Those chasing signs and babbling tongues, or those who place their faith solely in Christ and trust in the Word of God as sufficient for all training in righteousness?