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K
Yes that is also true.But I was referring to your comment about judging the Quran to be a false doctrine.That has already been judged false by God.If I say to someone the Quran is false and they are being deceived by satan I'm not judging them,Im correcting them according to the truth of Gods Word.
Psalms 82:6
1 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.
John 10:34
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone
34 You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said you are gods’?
35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), doyou say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
The first thing that needs to be understood is who God was speaking to in Psalms 82. He was not speaking to all men. In fact he was not even speaking to all of those of Israel. He was speaking to those who were appointed as judges over the people "YOU are gods." So, this declaration is very limited in its scope. God's calling them gods is related not to their intrinsic nature but to their appointed function as those who were responsible for giving the Law of God to the people. In the very next verse, God reminds them of their intrinsic nature, "you will die like mere mortals." These 'gods' were those who sat in the seat of Moses to whom God said, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh." Like Moses before Pharaoh, these judges stood before the people as gods to the people. As such, their function was to defend the weak and the fatherless, uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed, to rescue the weak and the needy, and deliver them from the hand of the wicked. They had abandoned this appointed function and had defended the unjust and shown partiality to the wicked. Of them God says,“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness. All of these charges are contrary to the intrinsic nature of God. Since God cannot defy his own nature we know that the term gods then defines not their nature but their function. For this reason, God says he will render judgement among these gods, verse one.
In John 10 we find Jesus being accused of blasphemy because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” The Jews understood the implication of Jesus statement. When they threatened Jesus with stoning, Jesus reminded them of the 82 Psalm. Apparently the had properly understood the Psalm and did not equate being called gods as a declaration of man's equality with God. The knew to whom this Psalm was directed. "He called them gods, to whom the word of God came." They knew this was talking about those who were charges with giving the Law of God to them. Yet, now, Jesus is himself sanctified and sent into the world by the Father to impart the word of God again to the people - this is the exact same function that was given to the judges yet, when Jesus calls himself the Son of God they want to stone him for it. Jesus is simply pointing out the loonacy of their reasoning. Apparently, they got the message because walked off and no one laid a hand on him.
1 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.
John 10:34
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone
34 You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said you are gods’?
35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), doyou say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
The first thing that needs to be understood is who God was speaking to in Psalms 82. He was not speaking to all men. In fact he was not even speaking to all of those of Israel. He was speaking to those who were appointed as judges over the people "YOU are gods." So, this declaration is very limited in its scope. God's calling them gods is related not to their intrinsic nature but to their appointed function as those who were responsible for giving the Law of God to the people. In the very next verse, God reminds them of their intrinsic nature, "you will die like mere mortals." These 'gods' were those who sat in the seat of Moses to whom God said, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh." Like Moses before Pharaoh, these judges stood before the people as gods to the people. As such, their function was to defend the weak and the fatherless, uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed, to rescue the weak and the needy, and deliver them from the hand of the wicked. They had abandoned this appointed function and had defended the unjust and shown partiality to the wicked. Of them God says,“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness. All of these charges are contrary to the intrinsic nature of God. Since God cannot defy his own nature we know that the term gods then defines not their nature but their function. For this reason, God says he will render judgement among these gods, verse one.
In John 10 we find Jesus being accused of blasphemy because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” The Jews understood the implication of Jesus statement. When they threatened Jesus with stoning, Jesus reminded them of the 82 Psalm. Apparently the had properly understood the Psalm and did not equate being called gods as a declaration of man's equality with God. The knew to whom this Psalm was directed. "He called them gods, to whom the word of God came." They knew this was talking about those who were charges with giving the Law of God to them. Yet, now, Jesus is himself sanctified and sent into the world by the Father to impart the word of God again to the people - this is the exact same function that was given to the judges yet, when Jesus calls himself the Son of God they want to stone him for it. Jesus is simply pointing out the loonacy of their reasoning. Apparently, they got the message because walked off and no one laid a hand on him.
K
Written by the hand of men,but one is the inspired Word of God and the other isn't.Yes God made us all,made Hitler too. The division comes from the fact that one is fact,the Bible,and the Quran is fiction.If your worldview is different than what Gods Words says you're following a false doctrine.There is only one view of God and that is the one in the Bible.Its not open to interpretation.
OK brother, I pick part of this copy paste to make you think
The fact that the Muslims worship only one god - are monotheism - does not prove that the god they worship is the True God. A similar pagan "reformation" occurred in ancient Egypt when Pharaoh Akhenaton decided to become a monotheist by making the sun-god Aton the one and only true god of Egypt, persecuting and outlawing worship of all the other gods of his nation.
God is not a liar.
If He said to christian that Jesus is God, he not going to say Jesus is a prophet to other.
Please concentrate and notice highlighted part:
One must not reject the obvious.
One must not reject the obvious.
in ancient Egypt when Pharaoh Akhenaton decided to become a monotheist by making the sun-god Aton the one and only true god of Egypt,
Is god Aton same with Allah, or Jehovah?
To know if John Smith is the same with John smith that I know, I have to search the description.
For example how old he is, What is the father name, What is he look like.
There are thousand of john smith in America.
There are million of god. Just because he have the same name not always mean the same person.
Christian God must teach that Jesus is God. otherwise he is not Christian God.
I don't mean to hate muslim, or force to believe in Jesus, Jesus said love you enemy,
But to make it clear when Catholic said Allah is God of abraham, they are cross the line. it is not inline with the bible.
How the same person/god have two totally different teaching?
Lumen gentium is a decree of second Vatican council.
It is not only decide by Pope, but Cardinals from all the world.
They know that God of Abraham is not the same God of Muslim. These two god have different teaching and identity.
So they deliberately Lie to they members to achieve one world religion as a part of one world government/ Antichrist goverment., No wonder 3 bishop and 2 high rank catholic officer said that antichrist is from Vatican.
It is not only decide by Pope, but Cardinals from all the world.
They know that God of Abraham is not the same God of Muslim. These two god have different teaching and identity.
So they deliberately Lie to they members to achieve one world religion as a part of one world government/ Antichrist goverment., No wonder 3 bishop and 2 high rank catholic officer said that antichrist is from Vatican.
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I'm sure God loves it when we have to be so "politically correct" that we have to tell other religions "hey you worship the same god come join us in our daily worship". Political correctness is BS plain and simple. I much prefer Biblical correctness.
Do these other religions accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? No, you say? Then it's not the one and only true God.
Then why tell them they can come worship "whoever" as we worship the true God. I'm sure God loves that.
Are their writings "God breathed"? No, you say? Then their writings are false. Plain and simple.
If you are a true Christian than you CANNOT agree with any of this heresy. Who is leading this heresy? Satan! Why? Because Satan would love nothing more than to destroy Gods church. To get God's church away from worshiping the only true God is perfect in his eyes. To get God's church into teaching false doctrine would be perfect in the mind of Satan.
Do these other religions accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? No, you say? Then it's not the one and only true God.
Then why tell them they can come worship "whoever" as we worship the true God. I'm sure God loves that.
Are their writings "God breathed"? No, you say? Then their writings are false. Plain and simple.
If you are a true Christian than you CANNOT agree with any of this heresy. Who is leading this heresy? Satan! Why? Because Satan would love nothing more than to destroy Gods church. To get God's church away from worshiping the only true God is perfect in his eyes. To get God's church into teaching false doctrine would be perfect in the mind of Satan.
How do you know that the bible was inspired by the Almighty God? Did He personally come down, tap you on the shoulder and say, "hey, that's my book there!"?
Odds are that He didn't, which means you believe like the rest of us. You believe by faith! Now, could it be possible that a Muslim draws his convictions on the Qu'ran the same way we do the bible?
What if a Muslim states that his book is inspired and the bible was a "satanic masterpiece of evil," how would you react?
You see, the book isn't the problem. It is the heart of men associated with these books to do harm for that purpose. Jesus told us that the bible does NOT (in my Maury Povich voice) contain within it's pages eternal life.
And if the book I believe and have faith in does not contain it, then I'm sure that the Qu'ran does not as well.
Odds are that He didn't, which means you believe like the rest of us. You believe by faith! Now, could it be possible that a Muslim draws his convictions on the Qu'ran the same way we do the bible?
What if a Muslim states that his book is inspired and the bible was a "satanic masterpiece of evil," how would you react?
You see, the book isn't the problem. It is the heart of men associated with these books to do harm for that purpose. Jesus told us that the bible does NOT (in my Maury Povich voice) contain within it's pages eternal life.
And if the book I believe and have faith in does not contain it, then I'm sure that the Qu'ran does not as well.
(haven't read the whole thread, but the title & OP reminded me of this)
Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
(Jeremiah 14:14)
these false prophets were prophesying in the name of the true God.
Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
(Jeremiah 14:14)
these false prophets were prophesying in the name of the true God.