Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

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Galatians 3:13 NIV - "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
So is this saying He became all sin when hung on the cross?

Is it illegal to think about what it means for Christ to be Man? Are we saying there couldn't be limitations to the Holy Trinity while a human before baptism? The situation called for a special case in order to die for our sins, no?
 
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It is God the father will to be done
Jesus is our righteousness and authority.
The Holy Spirit is our helper and enabler
All witness to one another.

It's not by power or of might but by my spirit says the Lord.
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
Jesus said all authority has been given to him and then gives us that authority.
Do all things in his name. Pray, heal, raise the dead, preach, teach, cast out demons.

Jesus said he will send the comforter who will help and guide you in all truth.

Love and truth are what sets a person on fire.
 

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So is this saying He became all sin when hung on the cross?

Is it illegal to think about what it means for Christ to be Man? Are we saying there couldn't be limitations to the Holy Trinity while a human before baptism? The situation called for a special case in order to die for our sins, no?
The Fall of Adam and Eve placed each person under the Curse that beset all of Creation. The Purpose of Christ is to take the sins of His Children, and to place them upon Himself. Because we are Cursed, we sin, for this is what the Sinful Nature does . . . this Nature obeys the Devil (who is the Father to those who have not received the Circumcision of Christ). Because we are Cursed, and because Jesus takes away our Curse, he becomes Cursed for His Children. Jesus takes the Curse that was applied to His Children, and they are thus freed from the Curse that the Law pronounces. If the Curse doesn't exist within a person, the Law cannot pronounce, or proclaim it.

Galatians 3:13 NLT - "But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

No, it is not wrong to think of Jesus as a man, for He was just that . . . a physical, literal man.

There is nothing in the Bible that indicates that there is any form of weakness to the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit.

As for the special case . . . I don't know what you mean by this.
 
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Was the baptism just for show or did it actually mean something?
 
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the context is important.

Baptism also means: to be inclothed with I.e. power
Curious, so are you agreeing that there could have been a limitation for the first 30 years? Does suggesting it send me to hell?
 

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Curious, so are you agreeing that there could have been a limitation for the first 30 years? Does suggesting it send me to hell?

I'm sorry, Not sure what you are asking.
 
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I'm sorry, Not sure what you are asking.
Is it illegal to think about what it means for Christ to be Man? Are we saying there couldn't be limitations to the Holy Trinity while a human before baptism? The situation called for a special case in order to die for our sins, no?
 

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Is it illegal to think about what it means for Christ to be Man? Are we saying there couldn't be limitations to the Holy Trinity while a human before baptism? The situation called for a special case in order to die for our sins, no?
If I understand your question correctly, Jesus was fully man as he was fully God so no it is not illegal to think or see Jesus a man.

There are no limitations in the Godhead, however, Jesus willfully took on the "likeness" of sinful man yet without sin.

I am not sure what you mean about "Holy Trinity while a human before Baptism?"
 
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If I understand your question correctly, Jesus was fully man as he was fully God so no it is not illegal to think or see Jesus a man.

There are no limitations in the Godhead, however, Jesus willfully took on the "likeness" of sinful man yet without sin.

I am not sure what you mean about "Holy Trinity while a human before Baptism?"
Christ was born a Human Baby. How is a Human Baby still the Holy Trinity without Baptism? Christ is still Himself, but I think there was a limitation in comparison to after Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
 

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Christ was born a Human Baby. How is a Human Baby still the Holy Trinity without Baptism? Christ is still Himself, but I think there was a limitation in comparison to after Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Christ was still part of the Eternal Godhead The Person Jesus is what the Spirit of Christ took on as the likeness of sinful man.

When you say baptism what are you speaking of in context to Jesus?
 
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Christ was still part of the Eternal Godhead The Person Jesus is what the Spirit of Christ took on as the likeness of sinful man.

When you say baptism what are you speaking of in context to Jesus?
Does the Spirit of Christ count as the Holy Spirit?

John the Baptist
 

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Does the Spirit of Christ count as the Holy Spirit?

John the Baptist
the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Holy Spirit as is the Holy Spirit personification distinct from the Son.
 
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the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Holy Spirit as is the Holy Spirit personification distinct from the Son.
Then why wouldn't there be a difference between before and after John the Baptist, Baptized Jesus?
 

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Then why wouldn't there be a difference between before and after John the Baptist, Baptized Jesus?
again context of the incarnation over the eternal existence of Christ. Jesus was our example in this life of a walk of faith and complete reliance on the Holy Spirit. AS He was empowered by the Holy Spirit so were the disciples and so are we. Our empowerment is to be a witness of the resurrected Lord as Acts 4:33 says.
 
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again context of the incarnation over the eternal existence of Christ. Jesus was our example in this life of a walk of faith and complete reliance on the Holy Spirit. AS He was empowered by the Holy Spirit so were the disciples and so are we. Our empowerment is to be a witness of the resurrected Lord as Acts 4:33 says.
So ..you are just going to dodge the question?
 
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No,

I am not going to try to answer a question that no man or woman can fully understand in our limited state of being.
I am trying to bring meaning to Jesus's Baptism, should I be vilified for it?
 

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I am trying to bring meaning to Jesus's Baptism, should I be vilified for it?

I am not vilifying you nor have I so I am not seeing your point. You asked earlier "illegal to think or see Jesus a man"

I then said :
If I understand your question correctly, Jesus was fully man as he was fully God so no it is not.

Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness as Jesus said. Please remember John the Baptist said, " it is I who needs to be baptized by you".
 
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I am not vilifying you nor have I so I am not seeing your point. You asked earlier "illegal to think or see Jesus a man"

I then said :
If I understand your question correctly, Jesus was fully man as he was fully God so no it is not.

Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness as Jesus said. Please remember John the Baptist said, " it is I who needs to be baptized by you".
Why do we bother making a distinction between the Three unless One can function without the Others? Are you saying to be fully God, Jesus has to have full connection to the Holy Trinity? This is only about the years before Baptism.