Is the laying of hands necessary in order to receive the Holy Spirit?
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We are talking about the different roles of the Holy Spirit here.
He indwells a believer at receiving salvation. This isn't by the laying on of hands.
He also comes 'in the midst' of a Christian congregation. This isn't salvation because they are already saved .
He empowers also.. the individual and a whole congregation. This is not salvation not laying on of hands
Think about who is receiving the Spirit in a passage. Is it an individual or about a whole congregation?
Is it about salvation or a different work?
My understanding of laying on of hands is approving / blessing someone who is going out in ministry.
He indwells a believer at receiving salvation. This isn't by the laying on of hands.
He also comes 'in the midst' of a Christian congregation. This isn't salvation because they are already saved .
He empowers also.. the individual and a whole congregation. This is not salvation not laying on of hands
Think about who is receiving the Spirit in a passage. Is it an individual or about a whole congregation?
Is it about salvation or a different work?
My understanding of laying on of hands is approving / blessing someone who is going out in ministry.
You’re forgetting one little detail in Luke, the Father gives to His children.
All the Mormons who pray for the Holy Spirit, do they receive? How about the Jehovah witnesses? Kenneth Copeland, TD Jake’s, Simon the sorcerer and other false believers that ask for the Spirit, does the Father give to them?
No, only to His children.
All the Mormons who pray for the Holy Spirit, do they receive? How about the Jehovah witnesses? Kenneth Copeland, TD Jake’s, Simon the sorcerer and other false believers that ask for the Spirit, does the Father give to them?
No, only to His children.
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There does seem to be more than one way to receive the Holy Spirit. Your way...which I admit sounds like the easiest. And you can receive the gift through the power and Authority the Lord gave his disciples.
But since I have never met anyone, given this power and authority, I too believe it's best to follow Peters instructions in (Acts 2:38).
But since I have never met anyone, given this power and authority, I too believe it's best to follow Peters instructions in (Acts 2:38).
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Not exactly correct. While there are aspects of the ceremonial law that no longer apply, there remains still the applications of the doctrines that underlie them. We don't need to build an ark. But the grace that attended Noah and his family still comes to God's people today. The ark that saved them still represents Christ. The word of God brought the message of salvation.
The principles of scripture are timeless and profitable as doctrine always.
The principles of scripture are timeless and profitable as doctrine always.
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eph 1: 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
as we see, Peter was Preaching and the Holy Spirit fell upon those listening.
then we see where other Apostles laid their hands upon a person they were praying with and the Holy Spirit again came to those being touched and prayed for.
as long as the environment is true and God is Present, the Holy Spirit, can Manifest however needed to reveal God's Glory.
i will say from experience and those i have been fortunate to pray with, they and myself, seem to prefer having hands touching a shoulder or like during prayer or helping someone pray through until they themselves are filled with the Holy Spirit. most say it makes them feel not so alone in that moment.
think about Salvation Moment:
you are Broken before God.
you also feel isolated like the spotlight is on you because no one else is praying but WATCHING you!!
God Works how He chooses.
but for us who had hands touching us during our Salvation Moment, made it feel like i was doing the Right thing and it made us want God more.
i feel lucky for that Moment and Experience in my life.
then we see where other Apostles laid their hands upon a person they were praying with and the Holy Spirit again came to those being touched and prayed for.
as long as the environment is true and God is Present, the Holy Spirit, can Manifest however needed to reveal God's Glory.
i will say from experience and those i have been fortunate to pray with, they and myself, seem to prefer having hands touching a shoulder or like during prayer or helping someone pray through until they themselves are filled with the Holy Spirit. most say it makes them feel not so alone in that moment.
think about Salvation Moment:
you are Broken before God.
you also feel isolated like the spotlight is on you because no one else is praying but WATCHING you!!
God Works how He chooses.
but for us who had hands touching us during our Salvation Moment, made it feel like i was doing the Right thing and it made us want God more.
i feel lucky for that Moment and Experience in my life.
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 46-48 KJV
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-44, 46-48 KJV
a brother do you have any scripture at all making any distinction between receiving the holy spirit or any other form of receiving the holt spirit ? I’d be willing to consider that but I’m not rec Finding anything in scriptire th at wouod suggest that here’s anymore th an just receiving the promise Jesus made of the holy spirit
See theres doctrine that explains it all is the thing believers receving the Holy Ghost is exclusively from Jesus doctrine and it’s exclusively given to anyone that believes the gospel
The thing is we can receive the holy ghost then deny it’s word in us and not follow the Holy Ghost or we can repent and start following him
abut there’s no varying degrees of receiving the holt spirit of Jesus wi th r we do or don’t from what I understand anyways I’m not aware of any doctrine that says you receive the Holy Ghost but then you need to receive it a different second way or anything like that at all
Do you know of any scripture that makes a distinction that might help me see what you’re saying brother ?
The holy ghost is freely available to all because of this
“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Acts 2:33 KJV
and so a few verses later Pete says this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
I’m not aware of any other receving of the holy ghost or any other event once you receive the Holy Ghost he’s in you “ indwelt “ not even sure that’s a term in the Bible but when you receive e holt ghost he lives in your heart
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
a there’s just believing and receving the holy ghost or rejecting and not receiving it then it’s time to learn from and follow to salvstion because just receiving the spirit isnt salvation we have to repent and be led by the spirit
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: but that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV
Receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t mean we can’t be lost it means we’re empowered now to repent and be saved
See theres doctrine that explains it all is the thing believers receving the Holy Ghost is exclusively from Jesus doctrine and it’s exclusively given to anyone that believes the gospel
The thing is we can receive the holy ghost then deny it’s word in us and not follow the Holy Ghost or we can repent and start following him
abut there’s no varying degrees of receiving the holt spirit of Jesus wi th r we do or don’t from what I understand anyways I’m not aware of any doctrine that says you receive the Holy Ghost but then you need to receive it a different second way or anything like that at all
Do you know of any scripture that makes a distinction that might help me see what you’re saying brother ?
The holy ghost is freely available to all because of this
“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Acts 2:33 KJV
and so a few verses later Pete says this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:38-39 KJV
I’m not aware of any other receving of the holy ghost or any other event once you receive the Holy Ghost he’s in you “ indwelt “ not even sure that’s a term in the Bible but when you receive e holt ghost he lives in your heart
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
a there’s just believing and receving the holy ghost or rejecting and not receiving it then it’s time to learn from and follow to salvstion because just receiving the spirit isnt salvation we have to repent and be led by the spirit
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: but that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Hebrews 6:4-8 KJV
Receiving the Holy Ghost doesn’t mean we can’t be lost it means we’re empowered now to repent and be saved
One place to start is 1 Corinthians 12:3...no one calls Jesus Lord except by the Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit is already present in the believer before confession of Jesus as Lord. This is unobserved.
The baptism of the Spirit is outward and compared by Peter as what they experienced the day of Pentecost. It is done by God to authenticate the conversion. This is what Ephesians 1:13 speaks to.
The baptism of the Spirit is outward and compared by Peter as what they experienced the day of Pentecost. It is done by God to authenticate the conversion. This is what Ephesians 1:13 speaks to.
To receive the Holy Spirit, no, but to receive the manifestation or gifts of the Spirit, yes. Requires the laying on of the apostle's hands and there are no apostles today. To receive the indwelling of the Holy Ghost/Spirit, the answer is found in Acts 2:38, which happens at the time of water baptism.