Is the mark of the beast going to be started by Republicans passing religious laws?

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Pilgrimshope

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90% of Christians are expecting some dude to be the antichrist ..but I think it's the perception of satan. Everyone is setting themselves up to be blindsided.
well brother there in the very end of the world will be a man , it’s going to be Satan manifesting himself in the flesh like Jesus did , to try to deceive the people left on earth at that time just before jesus returns .

but I think I totally agree that it’s already happening spiritually Satan is already using men repeatedly to accomplish his will . The Roman Empire , Persian empire ect Babylonian kingdom and all the way through time Satan uses men to accomplish his will of evil

it’s going to be like the gospel we read about didn’t happen in our time , but still applies to us now for salvation . We still face now spiritual war and persecutions in the world until Satan does manifest in the end times when those thkngs happen though it’s not going to be a dragon falling from the sky and giant beast from the sea

those are images that show reality they are each like a parable in them sled those images John sees in revelation hold a lot of comprehensive knowledge of everything in the Bible like a vast overview

I myself think revelation is misunderstood as a literal book when it’s events mostly unfold in the heavenly “invisible to Man realm “

and have understanding in them that applies to the earth and then should be looked at as an earthly event of it bears out to be that but the entire book isn’t like that at all it’s much more about understanding the gospel and how it applies to the wicked world where Satan has his presence and authority now over non believers only until Christ returns .

Christians also are killed under Satans authority in the world all the time every day but the martyrs have a special place .

I think if people would realize the truth about the devils presence in the world since the gospel , and the unfolding nature of Gods plan over time , revelation would make a lot more sense

the whole New Testament has application and understanding in the gospel , revelation most of all
 

pittsburghjoe

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well brother there in the very end of the world will be a man , it’s going to be Satan manifesting himself in the flesh like Jesus did , to try to deceive the people left on earth at that time just before jesus returns .

but I think I totally agree that it’s already happening spiritually Satan is already using men repeatedly to accomplish his will . The Roman Empire , Persian empire ect Babylonian kingdom and all the way through time Satan uses men to accomplish his will of evil

it’s going to be like the gospel we read about didn’t happen in our time , but still applies to us now for salvation . We still face now spiritual war and persecutions in the world until Satan does manifest in the end times when those thkngs happen though it’s not going to be a dragon falling from the sky and giant beast from the sea

those are images that show reality they are each like a parable in them sled those images John sees in revelation hold a lot of comprehensive knowledge of everything in the Bible like a vast overview

I myself think revelation is misunderstood as a literal book when it’s events mostly unfold in the heavenly “invisible to Man realm “

and have understanding in them that applies to the earth and then should be looked at as an earthly event of it bears out to be that but the entire book isn’t like that at all it’s much more about understanding the gospel and how it applies to the wicked world where Satan has his presence and authority now over non believers only until Christ returns .

Christians also are killed under Satans authority in the world all the time every day but the martyrs have a special place .

I think if people would realize the truth about the devils presence in the world since the gospel , and the unfolding nature of Gods plan over time , revelation would make a lot more sense

the whole New Testament has application and understanding in the gospel , revelation most of all
Why is everyone convinced the second beast happens and then that is the end? Is there a rule that says there can't be lots of time before the lake of fire is started up?
 
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Why is everyone convinced the second beast happens and then that is the end? Is there a rule that says there can't be lots of time before the lake of fire is started up?
me personally is all I can speak for

the second beast is seven kingdoms that began in daniels day and in johns day it was the sixth kingdom ruling which was Rome .

“And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

And there are seven kings:

five are fallen,

and one is,

and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the beast with seven heads is seven ruling kingdoms over Jerusalem beginning i daniels time Daniel saw the beasts before they rose John saw them in the sixth progression of thier rule over Jerusalem which was of course times rule at the time of the gospel.

in daniels day it is Babylon , media Persia , and then Greece which proceeded and broke apart into four and then Rome was the last part of the Greek kingdoms rule the sixth ruler that make the beast with seven heads

this beast occurs over hundreds of years but the beast which many call the anti christ is one of those seven resurrected he comes a second time in the end and has ten kingdoms which he rules over and three of them fall when he arrives also

daniels vision is johns vision on this matter of the beast only hundreds of years earlier in the progression of prophecy johns offers more revelation

I believe the beast with seven heads occurs beginning with the first head ( Babylon ) about 600 ad and in johns day about 690 years later the sixth head of johns beast and daniels fourth head of the third beast ( Rome ) is the time span for that seven headed beast but the beast of perdition who comes from the pit in the end is the man of sin who kid to come

the the thing people miss is he’s going to be a man preaching peace and unity for the world a man of great admiration of
People because that’s how the devil is he’s always a complete deception and appears as a good guy on your side . He isn’t going to be a threatening figure against people but all of his policies and laws in the world being established now by the spirit of evil are going to be anti Gods policies and laws

he’s going to appear as a savior but his speech will give him away it will match up to promotion of sinfulness , acceptance of abomination within the church , he’s going to talk about salvation and Christ but he’s going to be speaking the opposite like a dragon in his ways and policies when he comes into world power

it won’t be obvious to everyone who happening like when they didn’t realize the flood was about to come and no none was ready because they didn’t hear Gods warning , Gods word is how he saves us by telling us about important life and death matters like he did Noah .

It’s our part to believe the gospel now and be saved from this world and it’s ending .

the anti christ is going to appear and fool a lot of people waiting for Jesus if they aren’t aware and ready , the way to get ready is to simply believe what he said about himself and his coming get to know him through his word and believe and the rest is gravy

as far as specific timing bro I don’t have any thoughts about it I just know that when Jesus returns it’s at the end of the world

things on earth are already far from Gods will death and chaos are everywhere the decils
Will is flourishing now but someday there will be a man manifesting the whole nature of Satans and his will in one
 
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Revelation 13:15​
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​


Biden is Roman Catholic, he has power to give life to the papacy (pass laws against his own party). I think satan is going to trick Republicans into thinking gays are the mark of the beast. He will be laughing because the laws they pass will usher in the actual mark.


Revelation 13:16​
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:​


"right hand" is not wanting to follow the laws, but doing it anyways. "foreheads" is siding with the laws without question


Revelation 13:17​
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.​


A.I. is ready to go to ensure everyone follows the laws.

Is Trump the Antichrist, the prophesied Beast of Revelation? Why does the number 666 keep turning up ― over and over again ― where Trump and his family are concerned?

Let's get dead serious and look and see who the anti-Christ may actually be. It ain't Uncle Joe or Uncle Bernie. Even though Uncle Bernie is a Jew, he's a very Christlike man.

We know that the anti-Christ will be male and identified 666. The Bible tells us there will be many anti-Christs. Donald Trump may be one of them and here's some evidence.

1. Donald Trump's granny Elizabeth Christ Trump died on June 6 1966. Coincidence?

2. The name Donald John Trump is a English derivation of Donald Johann Drumpf. Each name contains 6 letters.

3. Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner or a property on 666 5th Avenue.

4. Trump claimed to be the second coming of God. Prophesy tells us that the anti-Christ will lie and pretend to be the Christ.

5. Many Trump disciples believe that God bows to Trump.

6. His son in law looks like a grown up version of Damian Thorn from the movie the Omen.

Folks is sayin that Trump is not the anti-Christ but that he is anti they teaching of Christ. While others say he is the little horn and other Biblical scholars say that Trump is the full blown anti-Christ.

7. Once again Donald Trump proclaimed himself the messiah, something only the true messiah, and definitely not every version of the antichrist described in Christian scripture and dominant Baptist theology for the last hundred years, would do.



So could Trump be the Antichrist? I will tell you what my father once told me. Satan walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. The point is that Satan is devious, and his works can be found anywhere. Trump could indeed be his agent, and that would make him an antichrist, if not the Antichrist.

8. Factions in the GOP have turned the GOP elephant into a lion.

9. Jesus's life was one of courage and selfless sacrifice. Trump's life is one of cowardice and selfish greed.

10. Donald J. Trump has become a false God to the pseudo-Christian movement.

11. Jesus demonstrated humility and criticized ostentatious displays of piety. Trump demonstrates narcissistic, sociopathic megalomania.

12. The Bible says the first manifestation of God's wrath against supporters of the Antichrist will be a terrible plague. Now we have the pandemic.

What does MAGA mean, really? A MAGA or MAGUS is a follower of the Sun God. Lucifer is a sun god, called the "morning star." Thus a MAGUS is a magician, a sorcerer, an astrologer. MAGI is the plural form of MAGA/MAGUS and we all know the story of the three MAGI who followed and interpreted the stars. But Lucifer's false star would lead followers to their doom. Is the mark of the Beast a red cap that identifies its wearers as followers of Trump? Simon Magus was an occult enemy of early Christianity who loved money and power. The sin of simony (selling out the church and its principles for profit) is named after Simon Magus, but now many Christians are supporting Trump, who also loves money and power. How can a man who gold-plates his toilets be a Christian, when the Bible clearly says that a man cannot serve God and Mammon?

At a rally in Iowa in 2016, Donald Trump said: "I like money. I’m very greedy. I’m a greedy person. I shouldn’t tell you that, I’m a greedy — I’ve always been greedy. I love money, right?

And let's not forget that the theme song to The Apprentice was "For the Love of Money," with Almighty God replaced by "the Almighty Dollar."

Trump's real allegiance is to Mammon, and thus according to the Bible, he must hate God. And indeed he seems to despise every teaching of Christ and always does exactly the opposite of what Jesus would do!

Trump repeatedly forms occult symbols with his hands.



And what about Donald Trump's creepy, incestuous-sounding comments about his daughter Ivanka? ...
 
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Is Trump the Antichrist, the prophesied Beast of Revelation? Why does the number 666 keep turning up ― over and over again ― where Trump and his family are concerned?

Let's get dead serious and look and see who the anti-Christ may actually be. It ain't Uncle Joe or Uncle Bernie. Even though Uncle Bernie is a Jew, he's a very Christlike man.

We know that the anti-Christ will be male and identified 666. The Bible tells us there will be many anti-Christs. Donald Trump may be one of them and here's some evidence.

1. Donald Trump's granny Elizabeth Christ Trump died on June 6 1966. Coincidence?

2. The name Donald John Trump is a English derivation of Donald Johann Drumpf. Each name contains 6 letters.

3. Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner or a property on 666 5th Avenue.

4. Trump claimed to be the second coming of God. Prophesy tells us that the anti-Christ will lie and pretend to be the Christ.

5. Many Trump disciples believe that God bows to Trump.

6. His son in law looks like a grown up version of Damian Thorn from the movie the Omen.

Folks is sayin that Trump is not the anti-Christ but that he is anti they teaching of Christ. While others say he is the little horn and other Biblical scholars say that Trump is the full blown anti-Christ.

7. Once again Donald Trump proclaimed himself the messiah, something only the true messiah, and definitely not every version of the antichrist described in Christian scripture and dominant Baptist theology for the last hundred years, would do.



So could Trump be the Antichrist? I will tell you what my father once told me. Satan walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. The point is that Satan is devious, and his works can be found anywhere. Trump could indeed be his agent, and that would make him an antichrist, if not the Antichrist.

8. Factions in the GOP have turned the GOP elephant into a lion.

9. Jesus's life was one of courage and selfless sacrifice. Trump's life is one of cowardice and selfish greed.

10. Donald J. Trump has become a false God to the pseudo-Christian movement.

11. Jesus demonstrated humility and criticized ostentatious displays of piety. Trump demonstrates narcissistic, sociopathic megalomania.

12. The Bible says the first manifestation of God's wrath against supporters of the Antichrist will be a terrible plague. Now we have the pandemic.

What does MAGA mean, really? A MAGA or MAGUS is a follower of the Sun God. Lucifer is a sun god, called the "morning star." Thus a MAGUS is a magician, a sorcerer, an astrologer. MAGI is the plural form of MAGA/MAGUS and we all know the story of the three MAGI who followed and interpreted the stars. But Lucifer's false star would lead followers to their doom. Is the mark of the Beast a red cap that identifies its wearers as followers of Trump? Simon Magus was an occult enemy of early Christianity who loved money and power. The sin of simony (selling out the church and its principles for profit) is named after Simon Magus, but now many Christians are supporting Trump, who also loves money and power. How can a man who gold-plates his toilets be a Christian, when the Bible clearly says that a man cannot serve God and Mammon?

At a rally in Iowa in 2016, Donald Trump said: "I like money. I’m very greedy. I’m a greedy person. I shouldn’t tell you that, I’m a greedy — I’ve always been greedy. I love money, right?

And let's not forget that the theme song to The Apprentice was "For the Love of Money," with Almighty God replaced by "the Almighty Dollar."

Trump's real allegiance is to Mammon, and thus according to the Bible, he must hate God. And indeed he seems to despise every teaching of Christ and always does exactly the opposite of what Jesus would do!

Trump repeatedly forms occult symbols with his hands.



And what about Donald Trump's creepy, incestuous-sounding comments about his daughter Ivanka? ...
it’s better to learn about Jesus from the gospel and be saved to know truth prepares one for identifying deception when it comes.
 
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it’s better to learn about Jesus from the gospel and be saved to know truth prepares one for identifying deception when it comes.
Like other men of color, the Chef has what is known in the common parlance as Nigga RADAR. We know when we are being conned.

Havin lived in the Bible Belt aka the Buy BUll belt Chef has known all his life that the anti-Christ is alive and well Dixie. To expand on that point, the Chef would point the following facts: The South leads the country in gluttony, diabetes, divorce, teen pregnancy, violent crime, hate groups, opiate abuse, smokin, low IQ, high infant mortality, porno, and low life expectancy.
 
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...the Chef would point the following facts...
It is rather doubtful that these are facts -- probably opinions. How would you measure gluttony in the South vs gluttony in the North?

Obviously you don't care about Southerners. Or probably America itself. So rather than complain about how evil they all are, why not move to Ghana or Tanzania and be happy? Or if you are a Leftist, Cuba or Venezuela would be happy to accommodate you.

The same applies to Muslims. They hate America yet they wish to flock to America. But that is part of their Jihad. And now Black Racism has become the internal Jihad of a large number of blacks, being egged on by the likes of Obama and Biden. And the key to keeping the tensions boiling is to label all conservative whites as "White Supremacists" or "Extremists".

The whole narrative about George Floyd has been bogus, but it is being used to tear apart America, and the lying MSM just love it. And then to make a hefty cash settlement even before the case has been tried and a verdict has been reached?

Yikes! New Poll Finds Only 36% of US Adults Believe George Floyd Was Murdered by Minneapolis Police Officer
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ge-floyd-murdered-minneapolis-police-officer/

Does that make the ones who do not believe racist? It was racist Obama who always grabbed opportunities to stir up racial hatreds. And now it just goes on and on with Critical Race Theory, Equity, Reparations, and any kind of insane idea to divide America. If Booker T. Washington were alive today, he would black all the black racists for their evil actions. He was respected by both Southern white and blacks.
 
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Like other men of color, the Chef has what is known in the common parlance as Nigga RADAR. We know when we are being conned.

Havin lived in the Bible Belt aka the Buy BUll belt Chef has known all his life that the anti-Christ is alive and well Dixie. To expand on that point, the Chef would point the following facts: The South leads the country in gluttony, diabetes, divorce, teen pregnancy, violent crime, hate groups, opiate abuse, smokin, low IQ, high infant mortality, porno, and low life expectancy.
I’m not following your point I apologize
 
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Like other men of color, the Chef has what is known in the common parlance as Nigga RADAR. We know when we are being conned.

Havin lived in the Bible Belt aka the Buy BUll belt Chef has known all his life that the anti-Christ is alive and well Dixie. To expand on that point, the Chef would point the following facts: The South leads the country in gluttony, diabetes, divorce, teen pregnancy, violent crime, hate groups, opiate abuse, smokin, low IQ, high infant mortality, porno, and low life expectancy.
Well, coming from the Bible Belt....My Redneck Radar lets me know when someone has actually "bought the bull". Judging from this and your previous post....You my friend cheffy, have obviously bought the bull.

You are clearly letting the democrats control and dictate you. Of course you had to vote for old Joe if not then like he said you wouldn't be black....That is so racist and I can't see how so many are getting conned like you are by a bunch of evil rich guys who could careless about you or your race. They're only concerned about power and control. And you my dear Chef have served that platter right up for them.

Also thanks for the southern stereotypes sir, that's mighty racist of you....just saying;)
 
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Why is everyone convinced the second beast happens and then that is the end? Is there a rule that says there can't be lots of time before the lake of fire is started up?
the lake of fire happens when the king returns to earth to judge the world , the lake of fire is a result of this happening

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it happens when this day comes

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

Paul was referencing this day

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43,

this same day Paul witnesses

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

Paul was witnessing the gospel truth

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

...Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

...And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34, 41, 46

the end of the world is what brings the lake of fire it all happens the day the lord returns from heaven gathers those who are still here at that time and then all the destruction comes upon the world for its evil state and those who served and created that evil state all
Who filled the world with evil will partake of that lake of fire in denying Christ

I think mostly scripture makes it pretty clear the end is coming one day to the world , but also we only have a short lifetime on earth so our own end is approaching speedily and that’s the importance of hearing and accepting the gospel

we can’t know the state of things unless we believe what God said about things the world is like our chance to live or die as we pass through it we can serve the darkness in the world or God through the gospel and it’s glorious promises

our time is always today to
Be saved because tomorrow could
Be the day when this happens

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There’s importance for us to repent and believe the gospel because it’s Gods judgement in the world for salvation
 
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It is rather doubtful that these are facts -- probably opinions. How would you measure gluttony in the South vs gluttony in the North?

Obviously you don't care about Southerners. Or probably America itself. So rather than complain about how evil they all are, why not move to Ghana or Tanzania and be happy? Or if you are a Leftist, Cuba or Venezuela would be happy to accommodate you.

The same applies to Muslims. They hate America yet they wish to flock to America. But that is part of their Jihad. And now Black Racism has become the internal Jihad of a large number of blacks, being egged on by the likes of Obama and Biden. And the key to keeping the tensions boiling is to label all conservative whites as "White Supremacists" or "Extremists".

The whole narrative about George Floyd has been bogus, but it is being used to tear apart America, and the lying MSM just love it. And then to make a hefty cash settlement even before the case has been tried and a verdict has been reached?

Yikes! New Poll Finds Only 36% of US Adults Believe George Floyd Was Murdered by Minneapolis Police Officer
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ge-floyd-murdered-minneapolis-police-officer/

Does that make the ones who do not believe racist? It was racist Obama who always grabbed opportunities to stir up racial hatreds. And now it just goes on and on with Critical Race Theory, Equity, Reparations, and any kind of insane idea to divide America. If Booker T. Washington were alive today, he would black all the black racists for their evil actions. He was respected by both Southern white and blacks.
brother be mindful that the world is quick to judge your words on the internet these days , and even quicker to
Misconstrue them and point to your banishment

I would hate to see anyone twist what you are saying into something you aren’t and see you canceled from this place or anything , it’s best to ignore trouble
Makers and distractions .

I’m only saying the is because I have seen this same scenario happen elsewhere on the internet and watched decent people be made into racists when they have absolutely no care what color anyone is .

I hope you understand what I’m intending to say and take it the proper way
 
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the lake of fire happens when the king returns to earth to judge the world , the lake of fire is a result of this happening

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it happens when this day comes

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

Paul was referencing this day

“As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43,

this same day Paul witnesses

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

Paul was witnessing the gospel truth

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

...Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

...And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32, 34, 41, 46

the end of the world is what brings the lake of fire it all happens the day the lord returns from heaven gathers those who are still here at that time and then all the destruction comes upon the world for its evil state and those who served and created that evil state all
Who filled the world with evil will partake of that lake of fire in denying Christ

I think mostly scripture makes it pretty clear the end is coming one day to the world , but also we only have a short lifetime on earth so our own end is approaching speedily and that’s the importance of hearing and accepting the gospel

we can’t know the state of things unless we believe what God said about things the world is like our chance to live or die as we pass through it we can serve the darkness in the world or God through the gospel and it’s glorious promises

our time is always today to
Be saved because tomorrow could
Be the day when this happens

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There’s importance for us to repent and believe the gospel because it’s Gods judgement in the world for salvation
Are you agreeing that the two beasts already happened? Is the mark all about what is in the Temple ..that is in us?

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”​
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭​
Paul was referencing this day​

You said the whole world will only be preached the Bible on the last day? So that isn't really something we can use to test for being close to the end.
 
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Are you agreeing that the two beasts already happened? Is the mark all about what is in the Temple ..that is in us?

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”​
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭​
Paul was referencing this day​

You said the whole world will only be preached the Bible on the last day? So that isn't really something we can use to test for being close to the end.
huh no I didn’t say the whole world will only be preached the Bible on the last day at all .

what two beasts brother ? The seven headed beast ? The beast with two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon ? Or the beast which is the eighth king that comes out of the abyss and has authority with the ten horns ?

or daniels four beasts which are of the same vision which make johns seven headed beast up ?

I’m not sure which you are referring to

johns seven headed beast is not the anti christ , the eighth king , the one who comes out of the abyss is the anti christ the one who manifests in a man who appears to be resurrected as one of the seven heads of the sea beast

he was part of the seven headed beast the seventh head that had yet come , but in the end he reappears the anti christ after he returns from the abyss

I’m sorry I’m not understanding what you mean by the two beasts.

It refers to him as the beast who was , is not ( in johns day ) and would rise from the abyss into power

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see how that refers to him “ was , is not , yet is ? Hes a counterfeit of Christ so he appears as resurrected

“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If tou Look closely in revelation Satan makes a counterfeit of everything God does , a false messiah the anti christ , a false church and prophets , a false god Satan, God seals and marks his people somsatan offers a counterfeit mark .

the beasts aren’t actual beasts but they represent men serving Satans will on the earth. They are his children the anti christ is his “ son “ his image in the form of a man who will be revealed but he’s going to be appearing as a good guy , man of peace , the guy with all
The answers , but he won’t be saying the thkngs jesus said he’ll be saying the opposite

like Satan has always done since Eden “ the fruit will Kill you certainly “ said God , “ no it won’t it’s good for you “ said the devil

Jesus spoke the gospel so now Satan speaks everything but the gospel even saying “ this is the real gospel Jesus didn’t preach it listen to me “ but the real gospel is what Jesus preached and certified and sent into the world for salvation

the world hears everything the gospel is the only true light in the world and is going to be what judges everyone it’s what gives man a choice to be saved to have this option on a lost world

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because of that this is sure

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭


so the gospel is sent into all the world before that happens for all To accept And believe and be saved from the end

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

Right now the gospel is in every corner of the world and the world is very wicked it says it will be preached and witnessed in the world not that they will hear nothing else

which two beasts are you referring to ?
 
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huh no I didn’t say the whole world will only be preached the Bible on the last day at all .

what two beasts brother ? The seven headed beast ? The beast with two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon ? Or the beast which is the eighth king that comes out of the abyss and has authority with the ten horns ?

or daniels four beasts which are of the same vision which make johns seven headed beast up ?

I’m not sure which you are referring to

johns seven headed beast is not the anti christ , the eighth king , the one who comes out of the abyss is the anti christ the one who manifests in a man who appears to be resurrected as one of the seven heads of the sea beast

he was part of the seven headed beast the seventh head that had yet come , but in the end he reappears the anti christ after he returns from the abyss

I’m sorry I’m not understanding what you mean by the two beasts.

It refers to him as the beast who was , is not ( in johns day ) and would rise from the abyss into power

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you see how that refers to him “ was , is not , yet is ? Hes a counterfeit of Christ so he appears as resurrected

“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If tou Look closely in revelation Satan makes a counterfeit of everything God does , a false messiah the anti christ , a false church and prophets , a false god Satan, God seals and marks his people somsatan offers a counterfeit mark .

the beasts aren’t actual beasts but they represent men serving Satans will on the earth. They are his children the anti christ is his “ son “ his image in the form of a man who will be revealed but he’s going to be appearing as a good guy , man of peace , the guy with all
The answers , but he won’t be saying the thkngs jesus said he’ll be saying the opposite

like Satan has always done since Eden “ the fruit will Kill you certainly “ said God , “ no it won’t it’s good for you “ said the devil

Jesus spoke the gospel so now Satan speaks everything but the gospel even saying “ this is the real gospel Jesus didn’t preach it listen to me “ but the real gospel is what Jesus preached and certified and sent into the world for salvation

the world hears everything the gospel is the only true light in the world and is going to be what judges everyone it’s what gives man a choice to be saved to have this option on a lost world

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

because of that this is sure

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭


so the gospel is sent into all the world before that happens for all To accept And believe and be saved from the end

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

Right now the gospel is in every corner of the world and the world is very wicked it says it will be preached and witnessed in the world not that they will hear nothing else

which two beasts are you referring to ?
How about all beasts already happened? Please read this page of posts https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...a-already-issue-a-sunday-law-blue-law.198366/
 
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“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:

but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭
I think you just pointed out the Biblical definition of the Mark of the Beast!
 

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yes I think that what your seeing is not that it’s all on the past , but it’s always occurring past , present and future until the end of this world

it’s a perpetual thing not a short sudden thing . But at the end , near the very end there is for sure going to be the anti christ in the form of a man , ruling through the power of the ten kingdoms of which three fall when the beast rises to power this part is going to be a very short period of time it’s marked in revelation as a time of one hour , but I think it’s saying a very chore period of time

In the future after the anti christ appears

“And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet;

but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:11-14‬ ‭

this to me is referring to the end time the very end when the beast will rule through those ten nations . But aside from all of that part I believe you are seeing that there is a perpetual and constant nature happening spiritually in the world , the spiritual war Christians are already in with the spiritual forces we see in revelation being unleashed on earth

in the epistles we see things like this

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭

there’s that stuff we see in revelation why and how it’s going to be from now on till the end with this spiritual war which began in heaven and then the losers were cast into the earth and made war with the creation itself it’s what we’re seeing in revelation twelve how it came to be that we are at war with Satan in this wicked world

Remember when we began awhile ago talking about heaven and earth being the creation ? The two aspects here’s what happened the earth in heaven spilled into earth

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

....And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-9, 13, 17‬ ‭

it’s why the apostles teach us about that spiritual war in our world and to stand against the devil because he’s trying to deceive and destroy us

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV

but in the end the man of sin will
Be revealed which will embody all the spiritual evil in the world and all the people he’s already by his evil spirit in the world gathering his army now by turning people against CHrist and his gospel telling them it’s not true

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we need the light in this world because it’s very dim but the people in the end time will experience the anti christ in person like the people of the gospel experienced Christ in person
 

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“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
You know I say some insane things ..that "into the earth" is curious ..could it be literal?

Devils Tower National Monument

tower.jpg
 

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You know I say some insane things ..that "into the earth" is curious ..could it be literal?

Devils Tower National Monument

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I take it to mean Satan was cast out of heaven permanently when Jesus was seated on the throne because he tried to tempt and kill Jesus to stop salvation

he was cast out of heaven and into the earth and is now warring against you and me and other Christians Satan is a spirit all heavenly beings are he works in the earth through a created being that’s how spirit can be affectual in the earth operate through a man .

men can operate by Gods Holy Spirit , or Satans evil spirit . They can do good or evil , Satan was cast out of heaven because he tried to kill and betray and bribe and tempt Jesus to stop salvation that’s why he was cast out of heaven.

his presence now in the earth is this

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:2, 5, 7, 9-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the war between Satan and the saints is found in New Testament doctrine . That war against the saints is raging now as it was then it’s what the church is all about when he delivered the kingdom to his disciples before his death he said this

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭

later after Jesus is seated in heaven we see this doctrine for the church

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in my view revelation is showing revelation of the ongoing until the end war , our doctrine talks about between our adversary the devil and us Gods Children the church

the war zone being earth and our time here and the prize being our everlasting soul the armor and shield , sword is all explained we have our battle gear , weapons of righteousness , and a very plain battle plan for his people on earth but mostly we are convinced all the Bible says about these thkngs is silly and unreal I suspect sometimes

it’s hard to believe thkngs we can’t see it’s faith to believe what God said
 

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I take it to mean Satan was cast out of heaven permanently when Jesus was seated on the throne because he tried to tempt and kill Jesus to stop salvation

he was cast out of heaven and into the earth and is now warring against you and me and other Christians Satan is a spirit all heavenly beings are he works in the earth through a created being that’s how spirit can be affectual in the earth operate through a man .

men can operate by Gods Holy Spirit , or Satans evil spirit . They can do good or evil , Satan was cast out of heaven because he tried to kill and betray and bribe and tempt Jesus to stop salvation that’s why he was cast out of heaven.

his presence now in the earth is this

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:2, 5, 7, 9-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the war between Satan and the saints is found in New Testament doctrine . That war against the saints is raging now as it was then it’s what the church is all about when he delivered the kingdom to his disciples before his death he said this

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭

later after Jesus is seated in heaven we see this doctrine for the church

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in my view revelation is showing revelation of the ongoing until the end war , our doctrine talks about between our adversary the devil and us Gods Children the church

the war zone being earth and our time here and the prize being our everlasting soul the armor and shield , sword is all explained we have our battle gear , weapons of righteousness , and a very plain battle plan for his people on earth but mostly we are convinced all the Bible says about these thkngs is silly and unreal I suspect sometimes

it’s hard to believe thkngs we can’t see it’s faith to believe what God said
armor

colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
 

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Is Trump the Antichrist, the prophesied Beast of Revelation? Why does the number 666 keep turning up ― over and over again ― where Trump and his family are concerned?

Let's get dead serious and look and see who the anti-Christ may actually be. It ain't Uncle Joe or Uncle Bernie. Even though Uncle Bernie is a Jew, he's a very Christlike man.

We know that the anti-Christ will be male and identified 666. The Bible tells us there will be many anti-Christs. Donald Trump may be one of them and here's some evidence.

1. Donald Trump's granny Elizabeth Christ Trump died on June 6 1966. Coincidence?

2. The name Donald John Trump is a English derivation of Donald Johann Drumpf. Each name contains 6 letters.

3. Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner or a property on 666 5th Avenue.

4. Trump claimed to be the second coming of God. Prophesy tells us that the anti-Christ will lie and pretend to be the Christ.

5. Many Trump disciples believe that God bows to Trump.

6. His son in law looks like a grown up version of Damian Thorn from the movie the Omen.

Folks is sayin that Trump is not the anti-Christ but that he is anti they teaching of Christ. While others say he is the little horn and other Biblical scholars say that Trump is the full blown anti-Christ.

7. Once again Donald Trump proclaimed himself the messiah, something only the true messiah, and definitely not every version of the antichrist described in Christian scripture and dominant Baptist theology for the last hundred years, would do.



So could Trump be the Antichrist? I will tell you what my father once told me. Satan walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. The point is that Satan is devious, and his works can be found anywhere. Trump could indeed be his agent, and that would make him an antichrist, if not the Antichrist.

8. Factions in the GOP have turned the GOP elephant into a lion.

9. Jesus's life was one of courage and selfless sacrifice. Trump's life is one of cowardice and selfish greed.

10. Donald J. Trump has become a false God to the pseudo-Christian movement.

11. Jesus demonstrated humility and criticized ostentatious displays of piety. Trump demonstrates narcissistic, sociopathic megalomania.

12. The Bible says the first manifestation of God's wrath against supporters of the Antichrist will be a terrible plague. Now we have the pandemic.

What does MAGA mean, really? A MAGA or MAGUS is a follower of the Sun God. Lucifer is a sun god, called the "morning star." Thus a MAGUS is a magician, a sorcerer, an astrologer. MAGI is the plural form of MAGA/MAGUS and we all know the story of the three MAGI who followed and interpreted the stars. But Lucifer's false star would lead followers to their doom. Is the mark of the Beast a red cap that identifies its wearers as followers of Trump? Simon Magus was an occult enemy of early Christianity who loved money and power. The sin of simony (selling out the church and its principles for profit) is named after Simon Magus, but now many Christians are supporting Trump, who also loves money and power. How can a man who gold-plates his toilets be a Christian, when the Bible clearly says that a man cannot serve God and Mammon?

At a rally in Iowa in 2016, Donald Trump said: "I like money. I’m very greedy. I’m a greedy person. I shouldn’t tell you that, I’m a greedy — I’ve always been greedy. I love money, right?

And let's not forget that the theme song to The Apprentice was "For the Love of Money," with Almighty God replaced by "the Almighty Dollar."

Trump's real allegiance is to Mammon, and thus according to the Bible, he must hate God. And indeed he seems to despise every teaching of Christ and always does exactly the opposite of what Jesus would do!

Trump repeatedly forms occult symbols with his hands.



And what about Donald Trump's creepy, incestuous-sounding comments about his daughter Ivanka? ...
Ok
So you hate trump
....and bernie is a man of God.

Uh huh

I get it.