Is the mark of the beast going to be started by Republicans passing religious laws?

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Ahwatukee

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There isn't going to be a physical mark until

Revelation 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.​
The mark of the beast becomes the only valid means of buying selling in chapter 13, which is in the middle of the seven years. Revelation 16:2 when the 1st bowl is poured out, it is just referring to those who will have already received the mark. The words "the men which had the mark" would infer that they already had it and which is why the painful ugly sores break out on them.

I would also add that, the mark of the beast which will be used to credit and debit ones bank account, could not just pop up over night, but that technology had to evolve. The system for the mark for digitally crediting and debiting (buying and selling) has been here for some time. People use it everyday when the go to the grocery store and make payment by swiping their bank cards using the Point of Sale system and the Verifone device. The mark will eventually replace this and all other digital payment methods and as previously mentioned, this technology is already being used in Sweden since 2015. Soon, instead of people swiping or tapping bank cards, we will see people begin to pay with the scan of their hand, just as those in Sweden are already doing.
 

Ahwatukee

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do you think it’s possible that forehead would represent the mind ( spirit) and hand would represent body ? And the mark of Satan would be to refuse to repent and keep sinning ?

The mark not being literal but representing the mind/spirit, is a false SDA teaching. They claim that the right hand is symbolically referring to 'taking action.' And the forehead symbolically represents 'making a decision.' Therefore, the mark of the beast to them is making the decision and taking action to worship God on Sunday, making Sunday worship the taking of the mark. This of course is due by ignoring the literal reading of the context and applying a symbolic meaning to the mark.

The possible reasons for the the mark going in the forehead, could be for those who have no upper limbs or for a greater show of worship to the antichrist/beast. Remember, scripture states that those whose names that will have not been written in the book of life before the world began, will be in amazement over the beast and will follow after him. Therefore, the mark in the forehead may be a greater show of worship. This is also why I believe that mark will evolve from the RFID chip to something smaller and more applicable. Because an RFID chip, though small, would definitely be a noticeable bump on the forehead.
 

Dino246

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Defending the Evil Demoncrats again? Who do you think is replacing representative government with tyranny right now? Who do you think wants the pandemic nonsense to continue forever? Who do you think wants to vaccinate everyone with a bogus vaccine? This is all conditioning people for tyranny by the Antichrist.

After all the damage done by the Demoncrats since January 1, 2021 any Christian trying to defend these demons (who call themselves Democrats) is defending Satan. And that is the bottom line.
PH wasn't defending anyone. You are exhibiting exactly the same paranoid stupidity that leftists use: 'Wholeheartedly agree with MY take on everything, or you're completely EVIL!!!!!'

:rolleyes:
 

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Interpreting the book of Revelation as being "all symbolic" is an on-going false teaching. Much of the book should be read in the literal sense. The correct way to read is that 'If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.' When symbolism is applied to the entire book, it distorts the literal means.

Basically, you can tell when something is symbolic, for example in Chapter 12 the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars is symbolic, i.e. she is not a literal woman. Neither is she literally pregnant, nor does she give literal birth. Her child is not a literal male child, the dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns is not a literal dragon. And the stars that the dragon sweeps out of heaven are not literal stars. However, just because these are symbolic is no reason to interpret, say, the plagues of wrath as symbolic, for they are to be taken as literally. This is the error of historicists.

Likewise, there is no reason to apply a symbolic meaning to the mark of the beast, as there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to do so. Therefore, it means exactly what it says. In fact, we currently have a literal match for that, where people in Sweden and her sister countries are being chipped with an RFID chip under the skin of the hand and are using it instead of card swiping to make purchases (buying). This mark of the beast technology will continue to evolve into something smaller and more applicable in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast, when it becomes the only valid way of digitally crediting and debiting ones bank account.

Read the book of Revelation at face value, unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious.
I know we differ on a couple of things but i see you as a solid man of God.
You have a good spirit about you.
 

Ahwatukee

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I know we differ on a couple of things but i see you as a solid man of God.
You have a good spirit about you.
Well, God bless you for saying so. I feel and know that you are as well. I understand that there are some things that believers are not in agreement with which does not affect our salvation. I suppose that is why we all have these discussions and continue to promote our Biblical conclusions.
 

PennEd

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Revelation 13:15​
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.​


Biden is Roman Catholic, he has power to give life to the papacy (pass laws against his own party). I think satan is going to trick Republicans into thinking gays are the mark of the beast. He will be laughing because the laws they pass will usher in the actual mark.


Revelation 13:16​
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:​


"right hand" is not wanting to follow the laws, but doing it anyways. "foreheads" is siding with the laws without question


Revelation 13:17​
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.​


A.I. is ready to go to ensure everyone follows the laws.
This is just red meat 🥩 to the leftist haters of conservatives, especially Christian conservatives. ZERO credibility.
 

pittsburghjoe

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Technology and Nationalism is how Satan's perception is global.

The Temple of God is in you. Satan's perception is the carnal mind in the Temple. It's what we are going to be Judged on. Satan's perception is about man making his own rules ..nationalism is all about man. The Garden of Eden is about making our own laws.

THE MARK IS ALREADY AVAILABLE
 

Pilgrimshope

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Lol it’s actually some thoughts that make sense to me what’s an sda teaching ?

I think if we get away from thinking we ourselves are an authority on a subject and consider scripture thoughtfully it helps

I’m not talking about Sunday in any way I’m talking about the children of God and the children of the devil manifest in this present world through the gospel

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, (inner man)

( action )and keep his commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

...And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:2-4, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s strange when people look at the spiritual understanding of the word as an negative when it explains itself

the whole Bible is about the world being covered in wickedness through sin . And now the gospel is about saving those people who believe and belong to Gkd through the gospel.

the gospel is the only way to be a child of God , the only way to bear the image of Christ his son. In fact the ate the purpose of the gospel tomcknform us to his own image like the beginning before sin .

my point is that’s the seal of God what we receive through the gospel that’s in the world and spread to all
People right now still available

This is how Gods people are marked or “sealed “ in this world before the end

“That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They who receive the gospel in this world are the children of God sealed Thier mind by the spirit renewing it through faith

“And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those who are re created in righteousness are those who come out of the great tribulation with white robes in his blood in other words believers of the gospel

meanwhile as the gospel is preached in th world covered in wickedness even 1900 years ago Satan is marking his people his children by doing this

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s going to continue until the end the wicked world being blinded by Satan and marked for his children and his eternal home and the gospel the light of the world being preached and those who believe will
Be saved and renewed within their mknds And heart which then Of course changes what they do

The gospel is what revelation is about just not own thoughts every one , not a teaching just part of a discussion and o don’t think people who disagree are false teaching anyone , it just seems like all the scripture points one direction and then people agree or disagree
 

Pilgrimshope

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Technology and Nationalism is how Satan's perception is global.

The Temple of God is in you. Satan's perception is the carnal mind in the Temple. It's what we are going to be Judged on. Satan's perception is about man making his own rules ..nationalism is all about man. The Garden of Eden is about making our own laws.

THE MARK IS ALREADY AVAILABLE
And the internet has a big role of globalizing everything is think, technology in general
 

pittsburghjoe

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And the internet has a big role of globalizing everything is think, technology in general
90% of Christians are expecting some dude to be the antichrist ..but I think it's the perception of satan. Everyone is setting themselves up to be blindsided.
 

Ahwatukee

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And the internet has a big role of globalizing everything is think, technology in general
The mark will be a literal mark that will be located either on the hand or the forehead. It should not be allegorized to mean anything else. To be clear, during that time, just as the debit and credit cards are used to make purchases, so also will the mark be a literal device on the hand or forehead which will replace all digital devices used to credit and debit ones bank account.

You are correct in that, the mark is now available as a literal mark, as people in Sweden are already being chipped and using it to make purchases such as paying for their train tickets by the scan of their hand.
 

Ahwatukee

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90% of Christians are expecting some dude to be the antichrist ..but I think it's the perception of satan. Everyone is setting themselves up to be blindsided.
So, that 90% who are expecting Some dude emerging as the antichrist is exactly what is going to happen. Scripture bares this out calling him 'the man of lawlessness.' in future support, when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, both the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Therefore, the verse identifies the beast and the false prophet as two individual persons. That they are men, is also supported by the fact that they are thrown in the lake of fire alive.

Let's stop philosophizing/spiritualizing the information in Revelation and take it at face value as events that are going to literally and physically take place and interpreting information symbolically only where it is obvious.

By the way, the book of Revelation is a detailed account of the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, which is covered from chapters 6 thru 18. The purpose of the book of Revelation is stated right in the first verse:

"This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must take place in quickness."

The 'events that must take place in quickness' are those events of wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all related information.
 

pittsburghjoe

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So, that 90% who are expecting Some dude emerging as the antichrist is exactly what is going to happen. Scripture bares this out calling him 'the man of lawlessness.' in future support, when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, both the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Therefore, the verse identifies the beast and the false prophet as two individual persons. That they are men, is also supported by the fact that they are thrown in the lake of fire alive.

Let's stop philosophizing/spiritualizing the information in Revelation and take it at face value as events that are going to literally and physically take place and interpreting information symbolically only where it is obvious.

By the way, the book of Revelation is a detailed account of the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, which is covered from chapters 6 thru 18. The purpose of the book of Revelation is stated right in the first verse:

"This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must take place in quickness."

The 'events that must take place in quickness' are those events of wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all related information.
What do you think the following it talking about?

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
 

pittsburghjoe

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King James Version
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,​
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.​
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.​

This is saying the man of sin will be revealed ..like right now ..NATIONALISM, Technology, and Greed/Fear.
 

Ahwatukee

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What do you think the following it talking about?

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
I agree with the scripture above. What it is saying, is that the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers, said temple being the body. That however, does not mean that everywhere that the word temple is used is referring to the body. There is the literal, physical temple of the past and which will be rebuilt in Israel. And there is the temple of our physical bodies in which the Holy Spirit dwells. The context will determine which is being referred to.

But what does that scripture have to do with the literal events of wrath in the book of Revelation? It is not speaking about the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, nor about the mark of the beast, nor anything in the book of Revelation.
 

pittsburghjoe

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I agree with the scripture above. What it is saying, is that the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers, said temple being the body. That however, does not mean that everywhere that the word temple is used is referring to the body. There is the literal, physical temple of the past and which will be rebuilt in Israel. And there is the temple of our physical bodies in which the Holy Spirit dwells. The context will determine which is being referred to.

But what does that scripture have to do with the literal events of wrath in the book of Revelation? It is not speaking about the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, nor about the mark of the beast, nor anything in the book of Revelation.
You know the second Temple was already rebuilt, right? There isn't scripture for a third one.

Yes, God's wrath will happen. I'm saying the mark of beast is available right now.
 

pittsburghjoe

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There is something very suspicious about this global virus:

Revelation 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

If this wasn't it ..I expect the next one to be.
 

Ahwatukee

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You know the second Temple was already rebuilt, right? There isn't scripture for a third one.

Yes, God's wrath will happen. I'm saying the mark of beast is available right now.
Yes, there is a scripture for a third and a fourth.

Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, which are divided into three parts:

Seven 'sevens' (49 years) = To restore and rebuild Jerusalem

Sixty-two 'sevens' (434 years) = at the end of which, the Messiah was cut of, Christ crucified

The crucifixion of Christ brought us to the end of sixty-nine of those seven year periods. The seventieth or last seven year period is described in Daniel 9:27, when that ruler, the antichrist, will establish a seven year covenant in part with Israel. In the middle of that last seven years, he will cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease and will set up that abomination that will cause the desolation of Israel. This event is synonymous with the woman of Revelation 12 who flees out into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God and Matt. 24:15-22.

From the time that Jesus quoted Daniel, up to the destruction of the temple, there has been no fulfillment of a seven year agreement and no abomination was set up in the holy place of the previous temple to cause Israel to flee. The reference to that ruler causing the sacrifices and offerings to cease and the setting up of the abomination in the holy place, demonstrates that there must be a future temple in order for that to be fulfilled. That covenant that the antichrist establishes with Israel, will allow them to rebuild there long awaited temple. In fact everything is and has been in preparation for them to begin making sacrifices and offerings once again according to the law. The Sanhedrin has been reconvened for some time now and they have been teaching their priest how to offer sacrifices, as well as all of the temple tasks. Even the furniture is ready to go into the coming temple.

Now there is another temple written about in Ezekiel 40 thru 48 that describes a temple with its dimensions that do not fit any of the previous temples, which dwarfs those other temples and will be existing during the millennial kingdom.

Therefore, there is another temple that will be built during the last seven years of the seventy sevens, which will be made possible by the antichrist as part of the covenant that he makes with Israel.

The technology for the mark of the beast is here and is evolving, but the beast himself has not yet been revealed. And that won't happen until the One who is restraining him is taken out of the way. The mark will not become mandatory until that beast has been revealed, who will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God or anything that is worshiped.
 

oyster67

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Is the mark of the beast going to be started by Republicans passing religious laws?

It is my understanding that the Mark will be instituted by the Beast midway through the Tribulation Period. This is probably when it shall become mandatory for buying and selling?:unsure: