Is the New Covenant for Israel only?

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Are you sure Paul didnt mean LITERALLY DRINK THE SPIRIT...like...we have a cup full of spirit and we are made to actually drink it. Coz Paul didnt specify allegory or metaphor there dollface!
oh....maybe yer right Doc.

 
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Paul told Gentiles not to submit themselves to the Law- not to convert- for it would add nothing to the message they had already received and the Spirit who indwelled them.
 
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oh....maybe yer right Doc.

I see you've felt the need several times now in the past few minutes to edit your posts to remove potentially offensive content. Perhaps you should learn to filter that BEFORE you post it.
 

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Paul told Gentiles not to submit themselves to the Law- not to convert- for it would add nothing to the message they had already received and the Spirit who indwelled them.
what?
come on DM.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
 

zone

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I see you've felt the need several times now in the past few minutes to edit your posts to remove potentially offensive content. Perhaps you should learn to filter that BEFORE you post it.
ROTFLMHO!
what are you...the edit police?
would you rather i left somebody's poor grammer in?
 
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what?
come on DM.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
It is a good verse, but I'm not getting your point?
 
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ROTFLMHO!
what are you...the edit police?
would you rather i left somebody's poor grammer in?
Um...talking about you posting trash and then taking it down seconds later. Not other people's grammar.
 
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Paul told Gentiles not to submit themselves to the Law- not to convert- for it would add nothing to the message they had already received and the Spirit who indwelled them.
This is exactly right because God is the God of the Jews, and of the nations. If the Jews were assemulated into the church then that would make God the God of the nations only, and if Gentiles became Jews, then that would make God the God of the Jews only. For God to be the God of Israel and the nations we all need to remain who we are.
 
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what?
come on DM.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
Galatians 3:1-4
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
 
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Dispensationalist falsely teach that God dealt with Israel before the cross, but since the cross He has been dealing with the Church, but after the rapture He will once again turn His attention toward Israel. This is also a false teaching. Their problem is not only do they have no scripture to corroborate this belief, but it directly opposes what the Bible does teach on the matter. Here are a few passages on what God does have to say about the union between Israel and the Church.
Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord is rich unto all that call upon his name.

Romans 11:16-24
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree:
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, the branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well: because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standeth by faith. Be not high minded but fear.
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou shall also be cut off.
23 And they also if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature, and were grafted in contrary to nature into the good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branched be grated into there own olive tree?

Romans 12:5 So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one member one of another.

Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 6:15-16
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Ephesians 2:11-19
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in times past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands.
12 That at times past you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonweath of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandment in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you that were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God.

Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of us all, who is above all, and through us all, and in you all.



We can clearly see that scripture teaches, the Jew and Gentile/Israel and the Church have become one new man. That there is only one Faith, and that we are all apart of the same body in Christ. That a Jew is not one that is a Jew outwardly, but a Jew is one that is one inwardly circumcised in the heart by the Spirit, regardless of blood line. Scripture tells us that believing Gentiles have been grafted into the good Olive Tree which is Israel, who's root is Christ, and whoever has been baptized into Christ, have become citizens of the true Israel of God with the saints, being seeds of Abraham, heirs according to the promise. We have not replaced Israel at all, but we are included with them in all the promises of God, being one with and equal to them, not separate from them in any way.
Wow, So you did not even acknowledge your error about calling Isreal the tree.

And you did not even respoind to the VERSES I posted.

And you wonder why no one can have a conversation with you.

Respond to what I posted. then we can look at what you posted.
 
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I'm not arguing that Jew and Gentile form two separate peoples of God, but rather that HOW these two groups become part of the people of God is distinct. Gentiles are reconciled to God through Christ on account of the promises that God made to Abraham. Jews are reconciled to God through Christ on account of the covenant that God promised in Jeremiah 31. Both groups are reconciled through Christ, but on the basis of different promises.
It goes further than this. The gentiles are only a part of the abrahamic covenant. The rest of the abrahamic and all the davidic covenants only are directed at Isreal.
 
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No, because it is not an error, you are in error
Man Oh man. I posted the scripture which proved this. and you can not admit it?? Dude. Have a nice day. If you can't even admit an error. there there is no need to further discuss anything with you.

just so you can not run away and try to hide and lie. here we have it again.


19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said.Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Isreal is not the tree, It is the Natural branch of the tree. A gentile is an unnatural branch grafted on that same tree. The tree is the olive tree. It is Christ. If you can't admit this. there is no need discussing further!
 
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As well as the Mosaic and its replacement, the New Covenant.
The new covenant is for all mankind. The gentile (through Abraham) is a participant in this covenant.. A jew can be a participant in it also. But at this time. Israel as a whole are blinded. There will be a day when there blindness is removed. And all Israel is saved through this same covenant. That is when the covenant will be fullfilled completely.
 
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16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

(Jeremiah 11:14–
 
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The new covenant is for all mankind. The gentile (through Abraham) is a participant in this covenant.. A jew can be a participant in it also. But at this time. Israel as a whole are blinded. There will be a day when there blindness is removed. And all Israel is saved through this same covenant. That is when the covenant will be fullfilled completely.
I dont get it....you say Israel as a whole is blinded. WHO is Israel?

Are "Jews" Israel? If so, how can a jew be a participant in the New Covenant if Israel as a whole is blinded?

If jews are Israel and the blindness will be removed one day, is there any point in a jew BEING a participant in the New Covenant now? Are there any jews in the new covenant now?

...for that matter..

Who is a jew?
 

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Galatians 3:1-4
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
exactly.
and are there any differences in Christ DM?
are there in fact jews and barbarians?

or did Jesus tear down that wall?
did you know He did that?

so that warning against any other gospel applies to ALL.
 
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The new covenant is for all mankind. The gentile (through Abraham) is a participant in this covenant.. A jew can be a participant in it also. But at this time. Israel as a whole are blinded. There will be a day when there blindness is removed. And all Israel is saved through this same covenant. That is when the covenant will be fullfilled completely.
Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 are explicitly clear that it replaces the Mosaic covenant, not fulfills or replaces the Abrahamic.
 
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exactly.
and are there any differences in Christ DM?
are there in fact jews and barbarians?

or did Jesus tear down that wall?
did you know He did that?

so that warning against any other gospel applies to ALL.
There are differences, but not inasmuch as we are all reconciled to God by grace through faith. Paul said there is no longer male nor female, which obviously didn't turn as all into asexual beings. Paul said that there is no longer slave or master, but when the people of his day went home the slaves still did the work as the masters directed them. All were reconciled equally to God, but that does not make all other differences disappear.

As for the wall, it was previously a wall of God's people vs. not God's people. As such, that wall was torn down.