Is the Trinity like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1?

[Nehemiah6]

I don’t follow what you mean exactly. You assume the Holy Spirit is like the Spirit of truth, so they must be the same?

What I meant is that had you paid close attention to the context of that verse, which is from John chapters 14-16, you would not have made that remark about no proof that the Holy Spirit is NOT the Spirit of Truth. Therefore it is important that people pay attention to context. So here is THE PROOF that the Holy Spirit, who is also the Comforter, is also the Spirit of Truth. And He is a Divine Person, not an impersonal force.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:16,17)

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me (John 15:26)

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)

 

[gotime]

For me there is no suitable illustration for the Godhead outside of that which scripture gives. Body, soul, Spirit is totally a different context and is not applicable.

Eggs, or water, gas and ice are all faulty.

The bible simply says that there is one God and one God only. That one God is made up of three beings we know as Father, Son and Holy spirit.

they are separate and eternal and God. They are one in unity. The closes understanding we have of this is that Man and woman come together and are one flesh. But even this fails to allow the mind to truly grasp the infinite God of heaven.

Everything I have just said falls short. But I am not a fan of trying to find illustrations for the Godhead. Its hard to grasp because its beyond us. And if it is beyond us then there is no sense trying to find illustrations that rationalise God.

He is what He has revealed Himself to be. We can only explain it as far as the word reveals it and then no further. Even then its still beyond us.

 

[Johnny_B]

The Trinity is a man made thing, based on false information. If you read the Bible as written, God is substituted for elohim and theos meaning devine beings. Lord is substituted for Yahweh. If you actually read it like it’s written Yahweh is the God over elohim. Jesus is theos, a Heavenly being, not God the Father. He is the Son of the Most High and the Spirit is the energy that has been detected by theoretical physicists. It is described as the flow of music that creates the symphony of order and structure to the cosmos. It runs through everything like your spirit runs through your body.

The Holy Spirit is eternal as are the Father and the Son, Hebrews 9:14

“how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

God is the only eternal being in the universe!!! If Jesus is not the eternal God, His death would of only forgave the sins of that day, there would of been no atonement for the sins before He died or after, because He is the eternal God His sacrifice makes atonemnet for the sins of the world or for all time.

Jesus' sacrifice had to be offered to the eternal God so that He could forgive the sins of all time and it was offered through the eternal Spirit, making salvation eternal as well. The eternal God or as we call Him the Father is the one that accepts the offering made by Jesus. Who had to be the eternal God so that His death could make atonement for the sins of all time, past, present and future. That offering has to be presented to the eternal Father and we see that it was done by the eternal Spirit. The book of Hebrews is a great book to show that the Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the eternal God.

Hebrews 1:8-9 “But of the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed youwith the oil of gladness beyond your companions.
10 And,
“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;11 they will perish, but you remain;they will all wear out like a garment,12 like a robe you will roll them up,like a garment they will be changed.But you are the same,and your years will have no end.”

In Hebrews 1:8-12 the Father is calling the Son both God and Lord, verses 8 and 9 are Psalm 45:6-7 and verses 10-12 is Psalm 102:25-27, so the Son is the eternal God spoken of in the Psalms. We will see that the Lord spoken of in the OT is the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 3:7-11 “Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you will hear His voice,8Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness,9 where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years.10 Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.’11 So I swore in My wrath, ‘they shall not enter My rest.’”

The writer inspired by the Spirit credits Psalm 95:7-11 to the Holy Spirit and we all know that the Psalms were inspired by the eternal Lord of the universe or by the one that said "let there be light" in the beginning of creation. As wee seen by the Scriptures the Bible shows that the Father calls the Son both God and Lord, does that make the Father not God? Certainly not! He is the eteranl God forever, it just shows us that the Father is a witness to us that the Son is God and Lord of the universe. We have also seen that the writer of Hebrews reveals to us that the Jewish people were worshiping the Holy Spirit in Psalm 95:7-11. Here is the part that the writer left out from verse 7,

“For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.” They were singing the praise to their God and Lord, which the writer of Hebrews tells us is the Holy Spirit. None of this was taken from any books or ideas written by man inspired ideas, this is all from the Bible in it's context and cross-referranced to it's original writting in the Old Testament.

Knowing what the Bible actually says, over what men have made up in thier minds because they do not know what the Bible teaches about the Lord or His salvation. Makes it easy to show that these people are uneducated as to what the Bible actually teaches. The Godhead having three persons with-in it is fully Biblical and is not a man made doctrine or created by the RCC (Roman Catholic Church)

 

[posthuman]

The Trinity is a man made thing, based on false information. If you read the Bible as written, God is substituted for elohim and theos meaning devine beings. Lord is substituted for Yahweh. If you actually read it like it’s written Yahweh is the God over elohim. Jesus is theos, a Heavenly being, not God the Father. He is the Son of the Most High and the Spirit is the energy that has been detected by theoretical physicists. It is described as the flow of music that creates the symphony of order and structure to the cosmos. It runs through everything like your spirit runs through your body.

You are in gross error!

I suggest you might want to read the two blogs I linked too some posts back in this thread.

yes, and i also suggest reading through this thread, intended to be a collection point of proof through scripture:

Christ is God

 

[Waggles]

Thus says the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:8

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,
clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps
with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow;
and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a
sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shining in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon
me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,
Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:

 

[Hungry]

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you. ​

John 14:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,
even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 15:26

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart,
I will send him unto you.
John 16:7

The Holy Spirit is always referred to as HIM never it or thing
The Holy Spirit is the power of God the Father coming into
this world of time and space.
The Holy Spirit comes from the Father.

The human brain is a funny thing. First comes belief then all information is twisted to conform to that belief. It doesn’t matter what the words are, we will always interpret them according to what we believe as true. Based on first accepting God as a trinity, every line in the Bible must validate that belief, whether it says that or whether we make it say that. The word “one” also can mean “first”. So literally it can also say Jehovah is one elohim/gods, or Jehovah is first of elohim/gods. We make it say what we want it to say. We can both be right according to scripture. Since there is no place in scripture it refers to elohim as a trinity, I just accept that maybe the Holy Spirit is one thing and the Comforter is possibly someone else, and Spirit of Truth another. When Christ is speaking of the Spirit in John 3 it seems more like what I describe than a manifestation of a triune Elohim. In Scripture, Jehovah always is represented as a singular masculine Superior, Yeshua is always described as His Offspring or subordinate, and the Spirit something else. When the word Spirit/pneuma or (wind) is attached to something else it is preconception that makes us believe it keeps referring to it as the same thing. No matter, I don’t believe it is a deal breaker. I worship only Jehovah, in Yeshua’s Name and honour Christ as Lord and Saviour. I pray continually and am in the Spirit. Be blessed, have a great day brother.

 

[Waggles]

God is light
light is both a particle and energy wavelength
the Word of God is light
look up light in the scriptures

 

[Depleted]

The human brain is a funny thing. First comes belief then all information is twisted to conform to that belief. It doesn’t matter what the words are, we will always interpret them according to what we believe as true. Based on first accepting God as a trinity, every line in the Bible must validate that belief, whether it says that or whether we make it say that. The word “one” also can mean “first”. So literally it can also say Jehovah is one elohim/gods, or Jehovah is first of elohim/gods. We make it say what we want it to say. We can both be right according to scripture. Since there is no place in scripture it refers to elohim as a trinity, I just accept that maybe the Holy Spirit is one thing and the Comforter is possibly someone else, and Spirit of Truth another. When Christ is speaking of the Spirit in John 3 it seems more like what I describe than a manifestation of a triune Elohim. In Scripture, Jehovah always is represented as a singular masculine Superior, Yeshua is always described as His Offspring or subordinate, and the Spirit something else. When the word Spirit/pneuma or (wind) is attached to something else it is preconception that makes us believe it keeps referring to it as the same thing. No matter, I don’t believe it is a deal breaker. I worship only Jehovah, in Yeshua’s Name and honour Christ as Lord and Saviour. I pray continually and am in the Spirit. Be blessed, have a great day brother.

The human brain is a funny thing. Yours is busy coming up with all sorts of way to limit God to your particular brain while dismissing the obvious.

He is God.
You are not.

It does matter! Because when you try to fold God into your particular way of understanding everything, (and your understanding has always struck me as convoluted to the point of absurdity), you reject God for who he really is and create your own god for what you want, (which again is convoluted to the point of absurdity.)

If I decided you are Joan Buckingham and you live in the basement of the Sydney Opera House because this is who I decide you must be, does my decision make it true? Are you really Joan? Are you suddenly transported to the basement of the Sydney Opera House? (Does the Sydney Opera House even have a basement?) In like kind, you reinvent God to what you want him to be, and keep trying to convince everyone that is who God is. It's insulting to God, and absurd to everyone else.

 

[Adstar]

Thus says the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:8

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,
clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps
with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow;
and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace;
and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a
sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shining in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon
me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,
Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:

Great scriptures

I will also add..

OT
Isaiah 9: KJV
{6} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."



And NT
1 Corinthians 10: KJV
1 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; {2} And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; {3} And did all eat the same spiritual meat; {4} And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

 

[heartofdavid]

For me there is no suitable illustration for the Godhead outside of that which scripture gives. Body, soul, Spirit is totally a different context and is not applicable.

Eggs, or water, gas and ice are all faulty.

The bible simply says that there is one God and one God only. That one God is made up of three beings we know as Father, Son and Holy spirit.

they are separate and eternal and God. They are one in unity. The closes understanding we have of this is that Man and woman come together and are one flesh. But even this fails to allow the mind to truly grasp the infinite God of heaven.

Everything I have just said falls short. But I am not a fan of trying to find illustrations for the Godhead. Its hard to grasp because its beyond us. And if it is beyond us then there is no sense trying to find illustrations that rationalise God.

He is what He has revealed Himself to be. We can only explain it as far as the word reveals it and then no further. Even then its still beyond us.

I agree.
There are things we can say biblically about the trinity. There are things we can't.
It can not be defined adequately. Just too deep. It becomes our belief. I think it is awesome how God rolls mystery and intrigue into the relationship.

 

[heartofdavid]

The human brain is a funny thing. First comes belief then all information is twisted to conform to that belief. It doesn’t matter what the words are, we will always interpret them according to what we believe as true. Based on first accepting God as a trinity, every line in the Bible must validate that belief, whether it says that or whether we make it say that. The word “one” also can mean “first”. So literally it can also say Jehovah is one elohim/gods, or Jehovah is first of elohim/gods. We make it say what we want it to say. We can both be right according to scripture. Since there is no place in scripture it refers to elohim as a trinity, I just accept that maybe the Holy Spirit is one thing and the Comforter is possibly someone else, and Spirit of Truth another. When Christ is speaking of the Spirit in John 3 it seems more like what I describe than a manifestation of a triune Elohim. In Scripture, Jehovah always is represented as a singular masculine Superior, Yeshua is always described as His Offspring or subordinate, and the Spirit something else. When the word Spirit/pneuma or (wind) is attached to something else it is preconception that makes us believe it keeps referring to it as the same thing. No matter, I don’t believe it is a deal breaker. I worship only Jehovah, in Yeshua’s Name and honour Christ as Lord and Saviour. I pray continually and am in the Spirit. Be blessed, have a great day brother.

Basically watchtower doctrine.

 

[Hungry]

The human brain is a funny thing. Yours is busy coming up with all sorts of way to limit God to your particular brain while dismissing the obvious.

He is God.
You are not.

It does matter! Because when you try to fold God into your particular way of understanding everything, (and your understanding has always struck me as convoluted to the point of absurdity), you reject God for who he really is and create your own god for what you want, (which again is convoluted to the point of absurdity.)

If I decided you are Joan Buckingham and you live in the basement of the Sydney Opera House because this is who I decide you must be, does my decision make it true? Are you really Joan? Are you suddenly transported to the basement of the Sydney Opera House? (Does the Sydney Opera House even have a basement?) In like kind, you reinvent God to what you want him to be, and keep trying to convince everyone that is who God is. It's insulting to God, and absurd to everyone else.

Clearly I must be wrong. Your aguements based on your opinions are very convincing. I am just reading what the Bible actually says. Sorry it offends you.

 

[tourist]

Your equation equals .4814814 on my calculator.

 

[wattie]

Trouble comes if there is any inferiority between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I don't think anyone posting has put this, but the Father Son and Holy Spirit are fully 100 percent God. Co-eternal.. co-equal. All there since forever

 

[CS1]

The context of the Divine Nature of God and man's & women's limited understanding; is the issue why one cannot fully comprehend the Godhead or Trinity . The Bible is clear in this manner I think

IN Genesis 1:1 we see : In the beginning God :2 And the Spirit of God moved
We see here two personification of ONE the Son has not Been revealed But the Word of God says: in Hebrew 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

here we see Three at the beginning of Creation in context to man and earth

With all scripture given was are yet limited AS the Word states :
1cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Only Pride and separation drives one to argue what we cannot fully understand .

The issue is not the Godhead , the issue is our Sin. Do we worship God , follow the leading of The Holy Spirit , and have relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.?

Trying to explain what the human brain, flesh, and limited understanding prevent you from fully knowing is wasted time. Jesus said IF you KNOW ME Then you know who? The Father , If you have seen ME you have seen who? The Father . Jesus said I will not leave you comfortless I will send you another in the Likeness of

John 14:18 John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:7

The Farther is the Son is , and the Holy Spirit is . Three personification of ONE and if anyone thinks they can fully explain FYI it has been an issue snice the Starting of the church , and has been the argument of many. Both can't be right nobody wants to be wrong and yet still waiting for those to admit they do not know fully.

 

[stonesoffire]

Am just addressing Spirit of truth- Holy Spirit.

There is also Spirit of error. So what I see from this, is that error or truth come from their respective source. One God. The other Satan.

spell check capitalized spirit of error. I did not but am leaving it for those who pounce on errors.

 

[Hungry]

Basically watchtower doctrine.

Basically not.

 

[Waggles]

Hungry could be of Oneness non-Trinitarian doctrine?

 

[Hungry]

Hungry could be of Oneness non-Trinitarian doctrine?

My beliefs are just to do what Christ said. Plain and simple. Yahweh is our Heavenly Father, Yeshua is His Son. I read the Bible and dissect it trying to squeeze every bit out that I can because I love our Lord and wish to know and serve Him with all of my heart. I thought that the label, if one must be applied, is “Christian”.

 

[heartofdavid]

Basically not.

Strong parallel. They put Jesus as created and lower than Jehovah. His son.

Your quote "In Scripture, Jehovah always is represented as a singular masculine Superior, Yeshua is always described as His Offspring or subordinate, and the Spirit something else."

I don't see a whole lot of difference.

Jesus is named "the everlasting Father" and Jehovah calls him "O GOD" in Hebrews.

He has been exulted to the highest place ....ABOVE THE FATHER.

It pleases the Father that the son is exalted.