Is There A 'Need' For supernatural abilities Today?

[The_Watchers_2017]

So, Precious friend, you did "read the entire article," and then made this
conclusion: "the gifts are still active this moment were in now" Correct? Or:
Did you "read only the beginning and say that ↑, according to this?:

Actually, the overall article teaches "the gifts are NOT active, Today, Under GRACE!"

Do you Also believe that we are "saved by water baptism," as it is clearly
stated above your verse of "healing, drinking deadly poisons, handling
snakes, speaking in new tongues, casting out demons" (Mark_16:17-18):

"...he that believeth AND is baptized Shall Be Saved..." (Mark_16:16), which is
Under God's Law, OR:

Are we, Today, "in this moment" Under GRACE, "Saved" WITHOUT
"the work of water baptism"? According to this 'link':

GRACE And Peace...

Because IF we are still Confused about "salvation" then it is little wonder
we will Also be Confused about the "gifts" Correct?

mercy for the jews is very much like grace for the gentiles. it's the act God performed for both jew and gentile upon the Cross. we are in the gentile period, not the grace period. yes, we have grace very much like after the gentile reign the jews will have mercy. Paul said God gave the jews a delusion for the period of the gentile era but God will restore the jews back once the gentile period ends. that is mercy.

you are making a doctrine out of grace which is incorrect. i read the first portion because i needed to log but i do appreciate the update on how the article ends. i am of the belief the Gifts are active until Christ comes. during the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation the 2 Witnesses will be endowed with power. that is the Holy Spirit giving them their Power. so the Holy Spirit and Gifts will remain and no reason to think they have ceased.

one good example is knowledge of both the Word of God and the world. we are smarter now than ever before. we are fulfilling both Daniel and Paul's prophecy. we keep uncovering missing pieces to ancient Biblical Writings all of the time which adds more knowledge. if knowledge has ceased, we would be bumbling idiots. the same can be said for Prophecies. they are still being fulfilled. clearly prophecies have not ceased. we still have a 3rd of Revelation/Matthew 24 to be fulfilled. i just don't buy the Gifts have ended. especially for a doctrine like grace.

 

[Beckie]

o brother

 

[Bluesproverb]

"

Goal Of The Gifts​

After our Lord Rose from the dead, and before He Ascended into Heaven, He
Commissioned His apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel
(Mark_16:15). Those who believed the gospel and were baptized would be
saved (v. 16), and empowered with certain supernatural abilities, known as
spiritual gifts:

“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My name shall​

they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; “They shall​

take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt​

them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover”​

(Mark_16:17,18)...​

While the early disciples indeed displayed nearly all of these gifts, it is obvious
to most Christians that believers today no longer possess these supernatural
powers. We believe that this is because these gifts uniquely qualified those
saints to preach the gospel safely during the Great Tribulation, but that the
coming of the Tribulation was put “on hold” with the introduction of the
dispensation of Grace.

The purpose of this article will be to show how these gifts will equip the saints
to meet the unique challenges that will be present in the Tribulation period.
In so doing, we also intend to demonstrate how in the absence of these unique
challenges, there is no need for these gifts in the present dispensation...

...brief study is not meant to be...exhaustive...we rather trust​

that the reader will add these few thoughts to the arsenal of​

spiritual weaponry with which we must equip ourselves...​

"
(R Kurth)

FULL study:
The Goal Of The Gifts

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GRACE And Peace...

Webster's definition Supernatural - of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe especially : of or relating to God

 

[joecoten]

Wrong! Gifts exist.

 

[joecoten]

So does unbelief!

 

[Nehemiah6]

For those who believe the gifts have ceased, they have ceased indeed.

So according to you this is purely subjective. Now it is up to you so show the objective evidence -- that every evangelical church has at least one miracle-worker. If you can list them for us, then it is no longer subjective.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i believe there is evidence of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit happening every day. the Bible just wrote about when it happened and was dealing with an area from israel to parts of asia minor and italy. today we are dealing with over 130 nations and 7 continents and 8 billion people. back then when the extraordinary happened it was spread word of mouth. today, we can see miracles on the news several times per day and we've gotten used to it we ignore it. Jesus said greater things would happen because He was leaving. greater things are happening. the Church in the New Testament had thousands. today, over 1 billion profess to be followers of Christ and more likely 400 million really are saved like we read in the Bible. if i was in a Body of Believers and nothing miraculous was happening, i'd find a new group of Believers where God was evident.

 

[Beckie]

Saved by His Grace is the greatest miracle.

 

[joecoten]

I don't talk about my experiences with God much anymore. I've grown tired of the reactions.
But believe-you-me...God is a supernatural God and does whatever He pleases!

 

[Bluesproverb]

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[joecoten]

I keep my pearls to myself.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

roe vs wade was just overturned and now they claim to abolish same sex marriage. if that is not God then nothing is.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Out of curiosity, how do you know this?

How do you not?

 

[joecoten]

The Georgia Guide Stones were smashed. I've removed occult items from my home. They should be removed from the land.
"You shall have no other gods before Me." - Exodus 20:3

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I don't talk about my experiences with God much anymore. I've grown tired of the reactions.
But believe-you-me...God is a supernatural God and does whatever He pleases!

don't let others steal your joy. do those who are also experiencing God in their lives belittle you? there's a reason why some desire to bring you down. be the light God made you to be.

 

[Bluesproverb]

roe vs wade was just overturned and now they claim to abolish same sex marriage. if that is not God then nothing is.

Justice Thomas said the court should overturn their former ruling on Griswold , legalized contraception, and Obergefell, gay marriage, as well.

What if this is a a ruse? Given how corrupt the three branches of power are now with Liberal politics in majority.

What if what's coming next is Congress codifying, making a federal law, abortion,contraception,gay marriage.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/04/why-not-overturn-obergefell/

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Justice Thomas said the court should overturn their former ruling on Griswold , legalized contraception, and Obergefell, gay marriage, as well.

What if this is a a ruse? Given how corrupt the three branches of power are now with Liberal politics in majority.

What if what's coming next is Congress codifying, making a federal law, abortion,contraception,gay marriage.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/04/why-not-overturn-obergefell/

anything is possible. but immediate victories need to be used to give God glory and honor. we were a nation killing almost 400k babies per year. with states now having the power and going back to their original settings, that's an accomplishment i never thought i would see in my lifetime.

 

[joecoten]

don't let others steal your joy. do those who are also experiencing God in their lives belittle you? there's a reason why some desire to bring you down. be the light God made you to be.

don't let others steal your joy. do those who are also experiencing God in their lives belittle you? there's a reason why some desire to bring you down. be the light God made you to be.

Those who are experiencing God in their lives rejoice with me. But someone always has something unpleasant to say. So instead of being negative, I'm trying not to get into anything too deeply.
Due to my health, I've done little but spend time in this kind of group for the past few years. But my health is improving, and I've been able to get involved in a church group for the first time in more than a decade. They have a seniors group and I guess that since that's what I am, I'll be getting involved in that. I can't believe I'm old. Oh well. Maybe I'll meet someone.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Those who are experiencing God in their lives rejoice with me. But someone always has something unpleasant to say. So instead of being negative, I'm trying not to get into anything too deeply.
Due to my health, I've done little but spend time in this kind of group for the past few years. But my health is improving, and I've been able to get involved in a church group for the first time in more than a decade. They have a seniors group and I guess that since that's what I am, I'll be getting involved in that. I can't believe I'm old. Oh well. Maybe I'll meet someone.

you have a lifetime of testimonies to share about how good God has been to you. someone is always needing to be encouraged because everyone is going through something. you can tell when people are struggling. they are testing everything about your walk in God. i am praying for you!

 

[joecoten]

Who knows? Maybe the senior's group needs a worship leader. Chances are they'll like the music I like. I like Vineyard music from the '80s and the '90s. You know, the good stuff! Lol