Is there a rapture?

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Hello. I have heard people mention a rapture.
For those that believe in a rapture, would you be willing to give me the scriptures that point to this as a biblical truth, and also engage in questions, if I have any?
 

JaumeJ

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I have always taken this expression to be taken from being taken up to meet Jesus Yeshua in the sky, those who sleep in the hope of the Lord first then those who are yet alive in the flesh. Nothing more, nothing less, yet our great belief and hope in God.
 

ewq1938

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The word Rapture is actually very much in the bible and thus is quite biblical. One must merely do a little bit of studying in the original languages to understand that.

"harpazo" is the Greek word for "rapture".

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up HARPAZO/RAPTURE together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When this verse was translated into Latin from Greek, the Greek word "harpazo" was replaced by the the Latin word "rapio" meaning "to catch up" or "take away" (the Latin noun "raptus" "a carrying off"). The Latin word “rapiemur” is the word St. Jerome used for “caught up” when he translated 1 Thess 4:17 in the Latin Vulgate Bible. So while the English word RAPTURE is not in scripture the Greek word HARPAZO is in scripture and it is the origin of the word rapture. So, yes, a rapture is very biblical. A pre-trib rapture is not biblical because Paul places the rapture after the tribulation and second coming and after the resurrection of the dead. The rapture then will come after the great tribulation has ended known as "post-trib".





The rapture is after the Great Tribulation has ended, after Christ's second coming begins, after the resurrection of the dead in Christ.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.(second coming reference)
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord (second coming reference) shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

The resurrection only happens at the second coming and the second coming can only happen after the trib has ended, and since the verses tell us the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these verses decisively prove the rapture is post-trib not pre-trib.

It's that simple.

Christ also spoke of the rapture but used the wording of saints being gathered together, and no surprise, placed it after the end of the Great Tribulation.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation (great tribulation has ended) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (second coming reference) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (*another way to speak of the Rapture) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

*(also see 2nd Thessalonians 2:1 for the same language regarding the Rapture)

Timing of the gathering/rapturing is exactly the same in these two passages. In both we have saved Christians being moved from one place to another and in both that happens after the tribulation has ended and when the second coming has commenced.
 

JaumeJ

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Is the word, rapture, in question here?
 

justbyfaith

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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55.
 

justbyfaith

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I pray every night for a pre-tribulation rapture; because Jesus commanded me to do so in Luke 21:36.

Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

And I don't think that Jesus would command me to pray for something and then say to me "No; I am not going to do that" in answer to my prayer.

I believe that the following verses apply.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


Mar 11:22, And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23, For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
 

JaumeJ

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I pray every night for a pre-tribulation rapture; because Jesus commanded me to do so in Luke 21:36.

Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

And I don't think that Jesus would command me to pray for something and then say to me "No; I am not going to do that" in answer to my prayer.

I believe that the following verses apply.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


Mar 11:22, And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23, For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Jesus Yeshua is warning all to come through the Tribulation unscathed by it. How do you suppose there are those who believe being beheaded? Of course there will be those of faith during the Great Tribulation pointing the way to those who are to escape it. Pray that you be worsthy to come through with faith.
 

Nehemiah6

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For those that believe in a rapture...
Since the Resurrection/Rapture is a fundamental Bible truth related to the culmination of salvation, everyone should believe it. Unfortunately, it was neglected or misinterpreted for a very long time. The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin "rapiemur" which means "caught up together" (Greek harpagesometha). The Bible also uses the word "translated" for the Rapture of Enoch. That is the Greek word metetethe, which means transfer, transpose, translate, change, to go or pass over.
 

p_rehbein

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Hello. I have heard people mention a rapture.
For those that believe in a rapture, would you be willing to give me the scriptures that point to this as a biblical truth, and also engage in questions, if I have any?
Is there a rapture? Yes. All you have to do is fire up the old 'puter you are on and do a "search" for [rapture verses KJV]

You will get all the scriptures you want. Unless, of course, this is just a pfishing trip?
 

p_rehbein

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Hello. I have heard people mention a rapture.
For those that believe in a rapture, would you be willing to give me the scriptures that point to this as a biblical truth, and also engage in questions, if I have any?
On another note; you have been here two years and you have only managed to post 19 times? Don't fire up that old 'puter much do ya............ :)

My bad.......you done got 31 posts! whew, you must be worn slap dab out, huh?
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Oh, I bet you have anudder Screen Name?
 
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Is there a rapture? Yes. All you have to do is fire up the old 'puter you are on and do a "search" for [rapture verses KJV]

You will get all the scriptures you want. Unless, of course, this is just a pfishing trip?

All 2 or 3 of them......
 
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On another note; you have been here two years and you have only managed to post 19 times? Don't fire up that old 'puter much do ya............ :)

My bad.......you done got 31 posts! whew, you must be worn slap dab out, huh?
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Oh, I bet you have anudder Screen Name?

You are an a$$..... in Jesus name
 
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Many here believe Jesus lied when He said He was coming back, ONE TIME, and when He does, the whole world will see Him.

Somehow, people believe a couple of random Paul verses over what Jesus plainly stated
 

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Hello. I have heard people mention a rapture.
For those that believe in a rapture, would you be willing to give me the scriptures that point to this as a biblical truth, and also engage in questions, if I have any?
Yes, it's scriptural, as the Bible verses others have posted show.

However, when you hear of the rapture, 99.9% of the time they're talking about something that's imminent; something that could happen at any moment without warning. I take exception with this; I don't believe that's what scripture teaches.

Should we always be ready? Of course we should. No one knows when they're number is up; therefore, we must live each day as if it's our last.
 

p_rehbein

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(all two or three of them)

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luke 17:34-37
- I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Mark 13:32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:29-31 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Daniel 12:1-2 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Matthew 24:31 - And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 12:40 - Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Revelation 20:2-5 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Luke 17:34 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Read More...)

Mark 13:32-37 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Read More...)

Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

(be sure to "read more" to get the true count)
 

p_rehbein

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Golly gee.............there are two or three of 'em
 

justbyfaith

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Jesus Yeshua is warning all to come through the Tribulation unscathed by it. How do you suppose there are those who believe being beheaded? Of course there will be those of faith during the Great Tribulation pointing the way to those who are to escape it. Pray that you be worsthy to come through with faith.
If it becomes clear that the world is going through the GT at some point in the future, I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

In the meantime, I believe that Jesus has commanded me to pray for a pre-tribulation rapture and I do not believe that He is going to say no to that prayer when He is the One who commanded me to pray it in the first place; for His command indicates that it is His will.

1Jo 5:14, And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jo 5:15, And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


Mar 11:22, And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23, For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Mar 11:24, Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


No need to dream in order for my prayers to be answered; for it is clear to me that they will be answered because I pray those prayers in faith.

If you want to stay behind and face the GT yourself then be my guest; I know that I am not going to have to go through that period of suffering on the earth...

Because Jesus has promised me that He will answer any prayers that I make towards Him that are according to His will.

And since He commanded me to pray this here,

Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I know that it is His will for me to escape those things that are going to come upon the earth.

And until He makes it clear to me that this is not according to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, I am going to believe that it is.

If I suddenly find that I am unmistakably going through the GT, then I will believe that either I have been left behind or else I will believe that there is a mid- or post- trib rapture.

Like I said, if that day comes, I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

Until then, I am going to continue to believe the Lord for a pre-trib rapture; I am going to continue to pray for it every night.

And I do not believe that those prayers will be to no avail.

For it is written,

Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.