Is There Forgiveness and Mercy for the Enemies of God
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Not to a literalist anyway. We compare the things of men seen, to those of eternal God not seen .
paradigm as a parable= come alone side as a comparison.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
2 Corinthians 4:18 is not a good suggestion but a must 20/20 prescription.
Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man, seen the temporal .
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the (Invisible eternal ) things that be of God, but those that be of men. (temporal) Mathew 16:22-23
No one said you cannot. Prophecy, the tongue of God comes in more than one manner. . parables are one. .
Show what? The whole series of parables involving the context of the discourse of the two witnesses (sola scriptura ). law and the prophets ?
God rejected the idea that he would send what some might call a patron saint as a worker with a familiar spirit. The Spirit of Christ said that would be impossible to serve two sources of faith as teaching masters . We are to serve the one master as in all things written in the law and the prophets again as the context of the whole discourse. Both chapters 15 and 16
The summary... And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.Luke 16: 31
Then in the following chapter he revealed the meaning of the parable to the disciples in secret. But to those outside of the new creation those believed not in a God not seen(no faith) it appear to foster unbelief in the hearts of those who do not want the salvation of the Bible as God's living word .All things written in the law and the prophets.
I would suggest he gives us the gospel key un locking the treasure of the power we have in these earthen bodies of death. . . . not of us.
We can as new creatures plant the seed and water it with the doctrines of God that fall from heaven like rain . But Christ the spiritual seed must cause life and growth if there is new life ?.
Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! Luke 17:1
If they come from the witness of men we must be careful how we hear what the Spirit of faith says to the churches, (all of the denominations as kingdoms of this world ).
Note …. (paragraph) my understanding.
1 John 5:8-10 (ERV) the Spirit, (unseen) the water, and the blood.(seen) These three witnesses agree. We believe people when they say something is true. But what God says is more important. And this is what God told us: He told us the truth about his own Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. (not people told us) But people who do not believe God (no faith) make God a liar, because they do not (no faith) believe what God told us about his Son.
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Show what? The whole series of parables involving the context of the discourse of the two witnesses (sola scriptura ). law and the prophets ?
God rejected the idea that he would send what some might call a patron saint as a worker with a familiar spirit. The Spirit of Christ said that would be impossible to serve two sources of faith as teaching masters . We are to serve the one master as in all things written in the law and the prophets again as the context of the whole discourse. Both chapters 15 and 16
The summary... And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.Luke 16: 31
Then in the following chapter he revealed the meaning of the parable to the disciples in secret. But to those outside of the new creation those believed not in a God not seen(no faith) it appear to foster unbelief in the hearts of those who do not want the salvation of the Bible as God's living word .All things written in the law and the prophets.
I would suggest he gives us the gospel key un locking the treasure of the power we have in these earthen bodies of death. . . . not of us.
We can as new creatures plant the seed and water it with the doctrines of God that fall from heaven like rain . But Christ the spiritual seed must cause life and growth if there is new life ?.
Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! Luke 17:1
If they come from the witness of men we must be careful how we hear what the Spirit of faith says to the churches, (all of the denominations as kingdoms of this world ).
Note …. (paragraph) my understanding.
1 John 5:8-10 (ERV) the Spirit, (unseen) the water, and the blood.(seen) These three witnesses agree. We believe people when they say something is true. But what God says is more important. And this is what God told us: He told us the truth about his own Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. (not people told us) But people who do not believe God (no faith) make God a liar, because they do not (no faith) believe what God told us about his Son.
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
With all due respect .Slow down brother. Prove it. . . . . period.
Not questioning you but your belief or how you hear God. You said: It has nothing to do with one's view on Scripture.
In that case can we remove all of the parables?
Jesus who hid the gospel understanding from natural man that had no interest in (sola scriptura) Jesus the word of God must of thought it had to do with ones view of scripture. I don't think they were designed as wonderful bedtime stories to tell ones children. Just stories with no spiritual, gospel understanding. Therefore having nothing to do with inspired prophecy.
Nothing other than parables are scriptures. . . prophecy ….like tongues another manner of prophecy ? I would think the hidden gospel has plenty to do with scripture as it written .
Still waiting for your answer as to what the law represent in respect to the sign in 1 Corinthians 14 . What does the law confirm. Belief or no faith?
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Face of God = revealed knowledge of God.
You could say the very froward generation is one that seek after signs and wonders. . . also called a evil generation by Jesus, natural man. limited by his own imagination. No faith as a understanding coming from the face or understanding of God, not seen.
Philosophers have no law by which a person could find comfort and rest in circle reasons . Like in the garden in Genesis. If you violate the perfect law, mankind will surely die. circular. If you believe in God not seen the work revealing of the Holy Spirit has been freely given to you as that which works in us. circular
Following after the philosophies of men after the rudiments of this world (water and dust. . clay).In regard to what the eyes see. The temporal like that of the faithless Pharisees with Sadducees . . they had no circle law as a seal to reason by .What was kosher one day became obsolete after the new oral tradition. .or new innovation of those who have no faith as a law to reason by . Philosophy remains a broken circle. The Brocken seal of disapproval.
Not questioning you but your belief or how you hear God. You said: It has nothing to do with one's view on Scripture.
In that case can we remove all of the parables?
Jesus who hid the gospel understanding from natural man that had no interest in (sola scriptura) Jesus the word of God must of thought it had to do with ones view of scripture. I don't think they were designed as wonderful bedtime stories to tell ones children. Just stories with no spiritual, gospel understanding. Therefore having nothing to do with inspired prophecy.
Nothing other than parables are scriptures. . . prophecy ….like tongues another manner of prophecy ? I would think the hidden gospel has plenty to do with scripture as it written .
Still waiting for your answer as to what the law represent in respect to the sign in 1 Corinthians 14 . What does the law confirm. Belief or no faith?
Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Face of God = revealed knowledge of God.
You could say the very froward generation is one that seek after signs and wonders. . . also called a evil generation by Jesus, natural man. limited by his own imagination. No faith as a understanding coming from the face or understanding of God, not seen.
Philosophers have no law by which a person could find comfort and rest in circle reasons . Like in the garden in Genesis. If you violate the perfect law, mankind will surely die. circular. If you believe in God not seen the work revealing of the Holy Spirit has been freely given to you as that which works in us. circular
Following after the philosophies of men after the rudiments of this world (water and dust. . clay).In regard to what the eyes see. The temporal like that of the faithless Pharisees with Sadducees . . they had no circle law as a seal to reason by .What was kosher one day became obsolete after the new oral tradition. .or new innovation of those who have no faith as a law to reason by . Philosophy remains a broken circle. The Brocken seal of disapproval.
Amen,
I'd imagine one also has to ignore the text in the following.......
Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Everlasting in the above verse, from aiōnion..... means without end, never to cease, everlasting.
I'd imagine one also has to ignore the text in the following.......
Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Everlasting in the above verse, from aiōnion..... means without end, never to cease, everlasting.
Hmm you seem to like those words sola Scriptura, I did a search I couldn’t find the saying in anywhere in the Bible, is it a biblical saying or a theology doctrine I’ve learned alittle about it, Martin Luther use it a lot Protestant reformist as well. is the saying inspired by God or a phrase someone coined?
He does. It is called the Gospel.
As pertains to the overall question sans the Gospel, God tells us to love our enemies, and to do good unto those who would harm us.
I would think if we are told to uphold that standard of forgiveness grounded in love , that God would too love His enemies. Otherwise, God would command us to do something within our mortal framework of emotions to be more benevolent toward those who harm us than He is.
Made in the image and likeness of God did not stop at Genesis with the first people created.
Likeness =1504. eikón
As pertains to the overall question sans the Gospel, God tells us to love our enemies, and to do good unto those who would harm us.
I would think if we are told to uphold that standard of forgiveness grounded in love , that God would too love His enemies. Otherwise, God would command us to do something within our mortal framework of emotions to be more benevolent toward those who harm us than He is.
Made in the image and likeness of God did not stop at Genesis with the first people created.
Likeness =1504. eikón
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If it were to be so one would wonder how to then reconcile this verse that is all inclusive as pertains to those who die.
The Book of Ecclesiastes chapter 12
12 Remember also thy Creator in the days of thy youth, before the evil days come, and the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; 2 before the sun, and the light, and the moon, and the stars, are darkened, and the clouds return after the rain; 3 in the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the [a]grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows shall be darkened, 4 and the doors shall be shut in the street; when the sound of the grinding is low, and one shall rise up at the voice of a bird, and all the daughters of music shall be brought low; 5 yea, they shall be afraid [b]of that which is high, and terrors shall be in the way; and the almond-tree shall blossom, and the grasshopper [c]shall be a burden, and [d]desire shall [e]fail; because man goeth to his everlasting home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6 before the silver cord is [f]loosed, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, 7 and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it. 8 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher; all is vanity. 9 And further, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he [g]pondered, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. 10 The Preacher sought to find out [h]acceptable words, and that which was written uprightly, even words of truth. 11 The words of the wise are as goads; and as nails well fastened are the words of the [i]masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. 12 [j]And furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 13 [k]This is the end of the matter; all hath been heard: Fear God, and keep his commandments; for [l]this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every work into judgment, [m]with every hidden thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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The Book of Ecclesiastes chapter 12
12 Remember also thy Creator in the days of thy youth, before the evil days come, and the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; 2 before the sun, and the light, and the moon, and the stars, are darkened, and the clouds return after the rain; 3 in the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the [a]grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows shall be darkened, 4 and the doors shall be shut in the street; when the sound of the grinding is low, and one shall rise up at the voice of a bird, and all the daughters of music shall be brought low; 5 yea, they shall be afraid [b]of that which is high, and terrors shall be in the way; and the almond-tree shall blossom, and the grasshopper [c]shall be a burden, and [d]desire shall [e]fail; because man goeth to his everlasting home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6 before the silver cord is [f]loosed, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, 7 and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it. 8 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher; all is vanity. 9 And further, because the Preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he [g]pondered, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. 10 The Preacher sought to find out [h]acceptable words, and that which was written uprightly, even words of truth. 11 The words of the wise are as goads; and as nails well fastened are the words of the [i]masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. 12 [j]And furthermore, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 13 [k]This is the end of the matter; all hath been heard: Fear God, and keep his commandments; for [l]this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every work into judgment, [m]with every hidden thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
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Yes, everlasting punishment never to rise to new spirit life forever and ever more.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust "again".
Ecclesiastes 12: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (breath of life) shall return unto God who gave it.
The believer given a new incorruptible spirit will rise on the last day and live forever more. Death as to the letter of the law will also not rise to condemn another whole creation forever more. It as a done deal is tossed into the lake of fire
Somethings rise other do not.
Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust "again".
Ecclesiastes 12: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (breath of life) shall return unto God who gave it.
The believer given a new incorruptible spirit will rise on the last day and live forever more. Death as to the letter of the law will also not rise to condemn another whole creation forever more. It as a done deal is tossed into the lake of fire
Somethings rise other do not.
Its coined by men who have put on the armor of God giving them the strength to defend all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) as it as it is written works in them to defend them .
Some call it heresy according to a law of men seen the temporal .But they cannot prove .Shooting their own self in the foot when they try to have a faith that comes by seeing flesh and blood. They are shown as worshipping the flesh of the fathers glorying in their flesh .
Paul worshiped the unseen one father believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, (Not fathers as God.) believing all things which are written in the "law and in the prophets" : . . . . .(sola scriptura) the reforming, restoring authority in any generation or dispensation.
Some call it heresy according to a law of men seen the temporal .But they cannot prove .Shooting their own self in the foot when they try to have a faith that comes by seeing flesh and blood. They are shown as worshipping the flesh of the fathers glorying in their flesh .
Paul worshiped the unseen one father believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, (Not fathers as God.) believing all things which are written in the "law and in the prophets" : . . . . .(sola scriptura) the reforming, restoring authority in any generation or dispensation.
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He does. It is called the Gospel.
As pertains to the overall question sans the Gospel, God tells us to love our enemies, and to do good unto those who would harm us.
I would think if we are told to uphold that standard of forgiveness grounded in love , that God would too love His enemies. Otherwise, God would command us to do something within our mortal framework of emotions to be more benevolent toward those who harm us than He is.
Made in the image and likeness of God did not stop at Genesis with the first people created.
Likeness =1504. eikón
As pertains to the overall question sans the Gospel, God tells us to love our enemies, and to do good unto those who would harm us.
I would think if we are told to uphold that standard of forgiveness grounded in love , that God would too love His enemies. Otherwise, God would command us to do something within our mortal framework of emotions to be more benevolent toward those who harm us than He is.
Made in the image and likeness of God did not stop at Genesis with the first people created.
Likeness =1504. eikón
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comparison
[kəmˈperəsən]
NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)
parable
[ˈperəb(ə)l]
NOUN
parables (plural noun)
Do you need more proof?
[kəmˈperəsən]
NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)
- the act or instance of comparing.
"they drew a comparison between Gandhi's teaching and that of other teachers" ·
[more]
"the two books invite comparison with one another"
synonyms:
contrast · juxtaposition · collation · differentiation · weighing up · balancing- an analogy.
"perhaps the best comparison is that of seasickness" - the quality of being similar or equivalent.
"if you want a thrill, there's no comparison to climbing on a truck and going out there on the expressway"
synonyms:
resemblance · likeness · similarity · similitude · correspondence ·
[more]
correlation · parallel · parity · symmetry · equivalence · comparability · analogy
- an analogy.
parable
[ˈperəb(ə)l]
NOUN
parables (plural noun)
- a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.
"the parable of the blind men and the elephant" ·
[more]
"a modern-day parable"
synonyms:
allegory · moral story · moral tale · fable · lesson · exemplum · Haggadah · apologue
Do you need more proof?
Matthew 18:16-17
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Titus 1:9
Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.
And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.
Titus 1:9
Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.
The ones that look to sign to confirm they are following a law of faithless men. a fasle aeal for knowing Christ. Acts 22. . those who look to murder the misperceived competition on (out of sight out of mind) like Cain with Abel
The same ones that follow after the signs.They ens up shooting there own self in the foot. ( Acts 24)
They rather than worshiping our one Father not seen look to the temporal flesh of men seen .Worshiping or veneration them, a multitude of fathers as gods. . rather than our one Holy Father not seen.
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: (sola scriptura) Acts 24: 13-14
You could call them Charismatics. . the sign and wonders seekers .
What to do you think according to the law in 1 Corithians 14:22-23 the sign of tongues confirms? Those who follow after all things written in the law and prophets(sola scriptura) . Or those who make sola scritura without effect , by what they call sign gidfts .
No such thing as "sign gift". The two words are not found working together as one doctrine of God inspired from heaven. Its easy to see it is in inspired from earth. Spiritual gifts not seen. . there are many.
What do you think the sign of tongues confirms knowing no man can serve two teaching masters ? What the eyes sees and what the heart believes. We have the power of that work working in us to both will and perform our fathers god pleasure in us but never to assume it could be seen of us.
Clearly you didn't understand the words, "identify and quote them".
Please provide actual quotations of the words written by specific individual people whose names accompany their words. I'm not interested in your misinterpretations and generalizations.
If you cannot provide actual quotes of their words, your words have no weight and your argument has no merit.
Please provide actual quotations of the words written by specific individual people whose names accompany their words. I'm not interested in your misinterpretations and generalizations.
If you cannot provide actual quotes of their words, your words have no weight and your argument has no merit.
Proof of what??
NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)
(1) the act or instance of comparing. Jesus drew a comparison between his teachings and others not exclusively of His own called antichrists ·
(2)The Pharisees with Sadducees as two denominations put their differences aside and walked as one after the temporal things of this world, the things seen.. Jesus using the temporal things of this world, revealed the spiritual or signified, unseen understanding called faith. . the hidden manna found in the parables. One of the manners of prophecy Christ spoke .
(3) A comparison between the things seen the temporal to signify that not seen the eternal . A comparison represented as a parable that was not only historically accurate but also accurate to reveal his gospel understanding. it is shown doing its signified work Hebrews 9.
As a historically true parable it represents that not seen (faith) The whole time period that their Kings in Israel when God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to do what they should not. Reject God as KING. . . the abomination of desolation. .
God cut it off restoring the government of God to that not seen the time of Judges. No outward representative. No more men lording it over other men. The time spoken of by Joel. When God poured out his Spirit on all flesh, men and woman, Jew and Gentile .The new kingdom of Priests that hold out prophecy the gospel after the many manner to include parables..
The Holy Ghost this signifying, (using the things seen the temporal to give us the eternal gospel understanding) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation". Hebrews 9: 8-10
NOUN
comparisons (plural noun)
(1) the act or instance of comparing. Jesus drew a comparison between his teachings and others not exclusively of His own called antichrists ·
(2)The Pharisees with Sadducees as two denominations put their differences aside and walked as one after the temporal things of this world, the things seen.. Jesus using the temporal things of this world, revealed the spiritual or signified, unseen understanding called faith. . the hidden manna found in the parables. One of the manners of prophecy Christ spoke .
(3) A comparison between the things seen the temporal to signify that not seen the eternal . A comparison represented as a parable that was not only historically accurate but also accurate to reveal his gospel understanding. it is shown doing its signified work Hebrews 9.
As a historically true parable it represents that not seen (faith) The whole time period that their Kings in Israel when God temporally gave over the faithless Jews to do what they should not. Reject God as KING. . . the abomination of desolation. .
God cut it off restoring the government of God to that not seen the time of Judges. No outward representative. No more men lording it over other men. The time spoken of by Joel. When God poured out his Spirit on all flesh, men and woman, Jew and Gentile .The new kingdom of Priests that hold out prophecy the gospel after the many manner to include parables..
The Holy Ghost this signifying, (using the things seen the temporal to give us the eternal gospel understanding) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation". Hebrews 9: 8-10
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