Is there such a thing as an atheist?

[Kerry]

I don't know why light travels at light speed. If it traveled faster then light speed would be different. Acknowledging that you don't know why something happens is not evidence of divine creation. Job didn't know where snow and hail came from, but using your argument Job decided it must be stored in Heaven by God. Job imagined God must be throwing the snow and hail down from his storehouses. See what happens when you make conjectures about the deity from nature. Just because little balls of ice fall from the sky doesn't mean God is tossing them down and it doesn't mean there must be storehouses in Heaven. Likewise, you can't conjecture anything about God from the speed of light. You can't even know that God set the speed of light. Where does it say, and God said, "Let the speed of light be 186,000 miles per second"?

Do you see what you are doing Kerry? You are using the God of the Gaps argument, just like the author of Job did.

These are things that science doesn't know. As for Job, God asked him if he knew where God had stored up the snow and the hail for the last day's, if you knew your bible you would have known that. He also asked Job where the foundations of the Earth are, doe's science know that?

As for the Gap you will find it in Jeremiah 35 and also in 2 Peter, since your are an atheist that reads the bible? Hmmm I wonder if you are just playing the advocate. HMM/

 

[nl]

Plus there is always the "I don't know" position. Which I am more than comfortable to take.

A lot of people think there are only two possible scenarios. It was either God or the big bang. And if you don't believe in one then you must believe in the other.

That's a mistake that should not be made.

No one really knows. People like to think they know or align themselves with what they would like to believe. But nobody really knows.

If you can't show it, then you can't know it. That's true for many aspects of life and it's an approach that should be taken more often.

There's nothing wrong with saying "I'm not sure.But personally I'd like to think that..."


That's fine... But never say you KNOW. Becaue no one does.

God exists. Knowledge exists.

Do you deny (refuse to acknowledge) the existence of knowledge?

We cannot know everything. We can know many things.

There is such a thing as "willful ignorance". There is such a thing as sinful ignorance that willfully refuses to know what could have been known and should have been known.

In the story of human history, many have tried to use ignorance as an excuse. When we are all resurrected and we all stand for judgment, will you be depending upon ignorance to save you? There is a better Savior.

 

[ColinCat]

God exists. Knowledge exists.

Do you deny (refuse to acknowledge) the existence of knowledge?

We cannot know everything. We can know many things.

There is such a thing as "willful ignorance". There is such a thing as sinful ignorance that willfully refuses to know what could have been known and should have been known.

In the story of human history, many have tried to use ignorance as an excuse. When we are all resurrected and we all stand for judgment, will you be depending upon ignorance to save you? There is a better Savior.

I'm not ignorant to the claims of his existence. Ignorance is not the issue here. I do not believe the claim to be true.

That's not ignorance. That's using reasoning based on the lack of evidence... A reasoning that we practice in every other aspect of life but somehow seems to be an unacceptable practice when it comes to the claims of God.

 

[Elin]

A 7 day week is a social convention. Not all societies have used a 7 day week (eg, Aztecs, Maya). Those who did use a 7 day week originally did so probably because of it's coinciding with moon phases.
And oddly enough, the biblical authors (for the most part) used a lunar calendar.

All oddly enough, if you don't know the OT.

 

[JimmieD]

All oddly enough, if you don't know the OT.

Does this mean you disagree with my statement that the biblical authors (for the most part) used a lunar calendar?

 

[Elin]

And oddly enough, the biblical authors (for the most part) used a lunar calendar.

All oddly enough, if you don't know the OT.

Does this mean you disagree with my statement that the biblical authors (for the most part) used a lunar calendar?

Disagree with the "oddly enough."

 

[JesusLives]

Before Jesus, if I hit my thumb with a hammer it was @#$*&^%()$%. after Jesus if if I hit ny finger with a hammer it was, praise God thank you Jesus.

But Yosemite Sam had the best @%$#& of anyone, getting footing prints all over my dessert and dragons are stupid and somone created Yosemite.

You must be a better Christian than me as I don't know I would praise God after I smashed my thumb...I am pretty sure I'd say ouch that really hurts....help heal me God.....would more likely be my response.......Glad you can praise God for it... I'm not quite there yet.

 

[JesusLives]

A 7 day week is a social convention. Not all societies have used a 7 day week (eg, Aztecs, Maya). Those who did use a 7 day week originally did so probably because of it's coinciding with moon phases. And oddly enough, the biblical authors (for the most part) used a lunar calendar.



Seriously?

Breathing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



It's an involuntary action, so no. You can't control it.

Heartbeat and breathing are pretty well studied.

But you still didn't answer my question which was Bible tells me where a 7 day week came from so Why do we still have a 7 day week? The peoples that you mentioned as far as I know don't exist anymore.....maybe it was because they didn't keep time right....and yes I'm jesting....

My point about breath and heart beating you missed altogether as in Bible tells me where the breath came from which was God and I venture a guess God is the one keeping our heart beating too. I don't need the scientific explanation as to why or how it works as I was just trying to get anyone to see or recognize where it came from originally.... This Blond thinks about a lot of different things.

 

[tourist]

I don't know why light travels at light speed. If it traveled faster then light speed would be different. Acknowledging that you don't know why something happens is not evidence of divine creation. Job didn't know where snow and hail came from, but using your argument Job decided it must be stored in Heaven by God. Job imagined God must be throwing the snow and hail down from his storehouses. See what happens when you make conjectures about the deity from nature. Just because little balls of ice fall from the sky doesn't mean God is tossing them down and it doesn't mean there must be storehouses in Heaven. Likewise, you can't conjecture anything about God from the speed of light. You can't even know that God set the speed of light. Where does it say, and God said, "Let the speed of light be 186,000 miles per second"?

Do you see what you are doing Kerry? You are using the God of the Gaps argument, just like the author of Job did.

If the speed of light is set at 186,000 miles per second it seems to me that there must be a something or a force that can go no slower than the speed of light or otherwise there will never be warp speed to use Star Trek terminology and star travel will never be achieved in a practical sense. In warp speed, the force of the speed of light must act as a brake for deceleration and the opposite force for acceleration. Perhaps a vehicle operating at or below the speed of light is running on impulse power.

 

[JimmieD]

Disagree with the "oddly enough."

It's a figure of speech. I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[JimmieD]

But you still didn't answer my question which was Bible tells me where a 7 day week came from so Why do we still have a 7 day week?

We still observe a 7 day week because our culture is a descendent of Judeo-Christianity practices. Any system derived from a lunar calender will tend to use a 7 day week. This is simply because the 4 quarters of moon phases last about 7 days each.

The peoples that you mentioned as far as I know don't exist anymore.....maybe it was because they didn't keep time right....and yes I'm jesting....

They were examples of people who didn't use a 7 day week. It wasn't an exhaustive list. If you need a modern example, the Chinese calendar has non-7 day weeks in it. The Igbo calendar used by tribes in southern Nigeria has 4 day weeks. People on the island of Java use a 5 day week.

This list isn't exhaustive either. There are plenty examples of people who did and do use non-7 day weeks.

 

[Cycel]

These are things that science doesn't know.

True, but your error is in immediately proclaiming God as the explanation. Plugging God into the scientific gaps gets Belief into trouble once science comes up with the explanation. This is known as the God of the Gaps Argument.

As for Job, God asked him if he knew where God had stored up the snow and the hail for the last day's, if you knew your bible you would have known that.

But there are no storehouses. Why would God mislead Job in that way? I say God did not mislead Job. The author of the Book of Job is responsible. There was a cultural belief that there were storehouses in Heaven. We see this again in Deuteronomy 28:12 when the author announces that God’s bounties come from his well stocked storehouse in Heaven. Job had never seen such storehouses; no man ever had. The author knows this and so posed the question in that way. If you want to believe these are actually God's words then God mislead Job. Or you can acknowledge that it was a cultural perception that Heaven contained storehouses, as Deuteronomy illuminates, and recognize the greater likely hood that it is the author speaking, not God.

He also asked Job where the foundations of the Earth are, doe's science know that?

Kerry, there are no foundations of the Earth. This is an Iron Age cosmological view that you have bought into. I am sorry. See the image below for an understanding of the foundations of the Earth (called here, Columns of the Earth).

As for the Gap you will find it in Jeremiah 35 and also in 2 Peter, since your are an atheist that reads the bible? Hmmm I wonder if you are just playing the advocate. HMM/

I think you misunderstand.

 

[Cycel]

There are plenty examples of people who did and do use non-7 day weeks.

I looked into this some time ago and can corroborate your statement. The Chinese and Ancient Egyptians had a ten day week while the Maya and Incas had a 20 day week.

 

[nl]

This Wikipedia article asserts that the ancient Babylonians counted every seventy day as a holy-day.

Link: Babylonian calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ColinCat]

You all know what its like not to believe in a God...

 

[nl]

It is good to remember.

• Seven day week - A remembrance of God's work of Creation
• First day of the week - Remembrance of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead on the first day of the week (Mark 16:9)
• The sacrament of the Lord's Supper - Remembrance of Christ's Body being broken and blood being shed on the cross in the work of Redemption
• October 31 - Reformation Day - Remembrance of Martin Luther's posting of the 95 Theses.

 

[Cycel]

This Wikipedia article asserts that the ancient Babylonians counted every seventy day as a holy-day.

Link: Babylonian calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, seventy is an important number in the Bible as well. Israel spent 70 years in captivity in Babylon. Seventy figures in a lot of other ways in the Old Testament as well. I wonder if there is a little religious syncretism going on here?

 

[Cycel]

You all know what its like not to believe in a God...

The thing is some Christians do believe that these gods are real beings, but they call them demons. I don't know if this is the case for most Christians here, or for only a few, or if its a belief common to certain branches of Protestantism, but not other. Nl might have more knowledge of this.

 

[nl]

This Wikipedia article asserts that the ancient Babylonians counted every seventy day as a holy-day.

Link: Babylonian calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting, seventy is an important number in the Bible as well. Israel spent 70 years in captivity in Babylon. Seventy figures in a lot of other ways in the Old Testament as well. I wonder if there is a little religious syncretism going on here?

Oops. My bad. Sorry. Bad typo. <Regret/> Meant to say: This Wikipedia article asserts that the ancient Babylonians counted every seventh day as a holy-day.

 

[nl]

The thing is some Christians do believe that these gods are real beings, but they call them demons. I don't know if this is the case for most Christians here, or for only a few, or if its a belief common to certain branches of Protestantism, but not other. Nl might have more knowledge of this.

From my point of view (not a seminary graduate), demonology is an under-developed area of Christian theology that lacks clarity. I do not know anyone who would take ColinCat's graphic with its list of idols and turn it into a list of names of demons but he/she may be out there. A few decades back, I did read some books and attended some meetings with a minister (now deceased) who did "mass deliverance" and used hundreds of names to describe specific demons that he attempted to cast out. I was an observer and never got fully "on board" with this methodology.