Is there such a thing as eternal security?

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eternally-gratefull

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superdave5221 said:
But the works (fruit) that they did would not be possible without being, as you say, watered by the vine of Jesus Christ. I know of no Christians in my life who have performed miracles or exorcised demons in the name of Christ, as these people did. As you say, the others in the example of the Parable of the Sower, would not be able to perform these works.
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Alot of people think they do stuff. look at the roman Catholics. how many so called exorcisms have they done (or pro ported to have done) does it mean they actually did it. or does it even mean they have the spirit of God?

agian the kew words are "I have never known you" in this statement, God is saying, I never knew you as my child..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Alot of people think they do stuff. look at the roman Catholics. how many so called exorcisms have they done (or pro ported to have done) does it mean they actually did it. or does it even mean they have the spirit of God?

agian the kew words are "I have never known you" in this statement, God is saying, I never knew you as my child..
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You know what's interesting about that?
Never.

Not, "well, I knew you for a little while, and then you left Me'. :rolleyes:

Is the Lord God perfectly well able to keep His own?

I'm thinking 'yes'. :)

 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Alot of people think they do stuff. look at the roman Catholics. how many so called exorcisms have they done (or pro ported to have done) does it mean they actually did it. or does it even mean they have the spirit of God?

agian the kew words are "I have never known you" in this statement, God is saying, I never knew you as my child..
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I believe that you are right on this one EG.

The Greek word used for "never" is "Oudepote", a derivative of "Oudepo", which means, not yet, not as yet, never before.
 
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zone

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superdave5221 said:
I believe that you are right on this one EG.

The Greek word used for "never" is "Oudepote", a derivative of "Oudepo", which means, not yet, not as yet, never before.
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2 Corinthians 13:5
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Examine your souls, whether you stand in the faith. Tend to your souls, or are you not aware that Yeshua The Messiah is in you, and that if not, you are worthless?

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Examine yourselves, whether you are in the faith; prove your own selves. Know you not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, unless you are counterfeits?
 
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Gaming_Drummer said:
Something I've been having trouble understanding recently is whether there is such a thing as eternal security. In other words, if salvation is permanent or not.
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Gaming_Drummer said:

The thing that confuses me is that there are verses like Ephesians 2:8-9 which state that salvation is by faith, not works. Then, there are verses like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 that list certain types of people who won't enter Heaven. Well here's the thing...not only does Paul mention at least once in the Bible that he struggles with sin, but don't all true Christians still struggle with sin at least a little bit? This is what confuses me...for example, it only takes one instance of adultery to become an adulterer/adulteress. People who are true Christians can sometimes make these mistakes. But does this mean they lose their salvation since adultery is one thing listed that can prevent someone from entering into Heaven?

The fact is, nobody does everything right 100% of the time. Granted, people grow as they walk with Christ, but sometimes we all stumble. If one instance of making a mistake put someone into the category of adulterer, thief, or another one of those categories listed in Corinthians, does that mean they are destined for Hell? Or do verses like Corinthians 6:9-11 refer to people who are unsaved only? Obviously the Christian life is marked by coming out of these sinful activities, but even true Christians make mistakes. Even Peter and Paul made mistakes.

I'm confused...
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All those that believe in Jesus Christ are saved... even those that believed in His name: John 1:12-13

But Jesus is calling those that believe in Him to be His disciples: John 8:31-32,36 There is a warning about how we build on that foundation: 1 Corinthians 3:10-23

The consequences is not the loss of salvation, but of rewards and of inheritting that birthright of attending the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in His honour at the pre tribulational rapture event when God judges His House first : 1 Peter 4:17-19

So if a believer stopped believing or a believer errs from the truth & had their faith overthrown:

or a believer that errs from the truth and engage in religious dead works of iniquity that deny Him:

or a believer that engages in sowing to the flesh in reaping corruption:

...they are still His, but they run the risk of God the Father chastening them by leaving them behind ( Hebrews 12:1-29) with a damnation of being destroyed from being a vessel unto honour in His House into becoming a vessel unto dishonour in His House.

That is why the call is given to believers having His seal, even former believers because they still have His seal to depart from iniquity ( 2 Timothy 2:18-22 )

This is why His disciples are led by Him to seek the good of other believers so that they may obtain ( not the salvation part, because they have already obtained salvation ) the eternal glory that comes with our salvation ( 2 Timothy 2:10-15) in being that vessel unto honour in His House which is the race we are on now by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin so we shall be readied and prepared by Him for when the Bridegroom comes for the ready bride to attend the Marriage Supper.

So salvation can never be lost, but because of the prophesied falling away from the faith ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2) and yet Jesus shall lose nothing of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:38-40) then we can see why God has to judge His House first and why many are called, but few are chosen........ to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

So the time for any believer living in sin to repent is now by going before that throne of grace for help in their time of need as we need even His help to leave the world behind with all of the cares of this life & our loved ones when the Bridegroom comes.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 
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Gaming_Drummer said:
Something I've been having trouble understanding recently is whether there is such a thing as eternal security. In other words, if salvation is permanent or not.

The thing that confuses me is that there are verses like Ephesians 2:8-9 which state that salvation is by faith, not works. Then, there are verses like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 that list certain types of people who won't enter Heaven. Well here's the thing...not only does Paul mention at least once in the Bible that he struggles with sin, but don't all true Christians still struggle with sin at least a little bit? This is what confuses me...for example, it only takes one instance of adultery to become an adulterer/adulteress. People who are true Christians can sometimes make these mistakes. But does this mean they lose their salvation since adultery is one thing listed that can prevent someone from entering into Heaven?

The fact is, nobody does everything right 100% of the time. Granted, people grow as they walk with Christ, but sometimes we all stumble. If one instance of making a mistake put someone into the category of adulterer, thief, or another one of those categories listed in Corinthians, does that mean they are destined for Hell? Or do verses like Corinthians 6:9-11 refer to people who are unsaved only? Obviously the Christian life is marked by coming out of these sinful activities, but even true Christians make mistakes. Even Peter and Paul made mistakes.

I'm confused...
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As long as we resist the temptation to sin, we are safe. Otherwise, the Lord disciplines us, for our own good.
 
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