Is this belief sufficient for salvation?

[Dino246]

Can't have one without the other . Like the Father and the Son. Cause and effect.

Wrong again, on both counts. Father and Son are not cause and effect. You CAN have faith without repentance, because you can believe God at His word on matters other than salvation.

Repentance is a work of faith. If God does not give a person his faith that works in them. They will not repent as a way of comforting oneself. .

Repentance is not about comforting oneself.

It would seem that when God repents he must first comfort his own self before he give the mercy and grace. It is that work that calls us to trust in the unseen . No man can come unless his labor of love, or works of faith draws us to repent.

God doesn't repent of sin, because God never sins. God is not required to do anything such as "comfort his own self"... where do you get this hogwash?

 

[Whispered]

I found the best way to explain the trinity is to believe what Scripture records in the Revelation 22:13

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The Father = The Alpha & Omega
The Son = The First & Last
The Holy Spirit = the Beginning & End

all three are different manifestations of the same being (the LORD God)

you said the name of God is not "God". Well the name of the LORD (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the God of Israel) is named "God Almighty" as Amos 5:27 tells us

Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty. -Amos 5:27

So the natural question is who is God Almighty or the LORD? He is one of the 7 Spirits of God as spoken of in the book of Revelation.

"God" is ambiguous. It can be used to describe any male deity in any religious construct. As can, goddess or Goddess.
Adonai Elohei-Tzva’ot , in the Book of Amos in the Jewish Bible means, the Lord God of Hosts.
Also, I think to make the Trinity point one would have to answer the scriptures that tell us, there is one God. As well as the scripture where God says He is Lord and beside Him there is no Savior. The Book of Isaiah 43

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Faith is not repentance, and repentance is not faith. They are related in that both are required for salvation, but they are definitely not the same thing.

I always wondered Is mans ability to reason by what he can see ,touch, hear ,smell or feel which I call 5 sense knowledge= to faith?

The bible says that faith Is fruit of the Spirit which GOD gives to those In CHRIST,So then would faith In this context mean 5 sense knowledge?

 

[Whispered]

Galatians
Theme
Paul writes to counter the claims of legalistic Judaizers who were telling the Galatian believers that they must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.
For freedom did Christ set us free: stand fast therefore, and be not entangled again in a yoke of bondage.


The Book of Galatians 5 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Ye are [a]severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith [b]working through love. 7 Ye were running well; who hindered you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion came not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10 I have confidence to you-ward in the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be. 11 But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? then hath the stumbling-block of the cross been done away. 12 I would that they that unsettle you would even [c]go beyond circumcision.


13 For ye, brethren, were called for freedom; only use not your freedom for an occasion to the flesh, but through love be servants one to another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: [d]Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.


16 But I say, Walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, [e]parties, 21 envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I [f]forewarn you, even as I did [g]forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law. 24 And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.


25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk. 26 Let us not become vainglorious, [h]provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[Dino246]

I always wondered Is mans ability to reason by what he can see ,touch, hear ,smell or feel which I call 5 sense knowledge= to faith?

The bible says that faith Is fruit of the Spirit which GOD gives to those In CHRIST,So then would faith In this context mean 5 sense knowledge?

No... faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." (NIV)

In other words, it is certainty about the things God has told us. It's not based on what our senses perceive.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No... faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." (NIV)

In other words, it is certainty about the things God has told us. It's not based on what our senses perceive.

If man loved darkness how does he come to GOD whom he cannot see?

I hope you didn’t take offense I was just curious to what people thought about that,I think I see what calvinist are trying to say even though I don’t agree with them.🙂

 

[garee]

Wrong again, on both counts. Father and Son are not cause and effect. You CAN have faith without repentance, because you can believe God at His word on matters other than salvation.

Yes, faith is the gospel key that unlocks the gates of hell and chains up lying spirits in a everlasting judgement called a bottomless pit.

Believing (exercising or working faith is believing.) Faith to faith . Believing to believing. And not seeing to believe. But believing exercising faith to see the unseen eternal things of God. The gospel. Faith without believing the result of hearing. . . . is dead.

For instance .My wife sends me to the grocery store revealing what she desires .I come home with out it .I am dead. Hear and obey not listen and don't obey .If a person does not hear they will not do the work.

John 6 informs us its the work of God who works in us the source that we can believe him who has no form. We are his work of art not of our own selves.. He is the one master, not seen.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, (not of your own selves) that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

We believe from faith, the unseen, to faith the unseen . The gospel.

What would matters of other things other than salvation if we are believing the author of all truth ?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Romans 1:16-17

One source of Christian faith as it is written ... it therefore representing the unseen work of God.

What do you think the it represents?

What can you believe without the Spirit of Christ working in you to both will and do the good purpose ? What if some believe not. (no faith) Will their unbelief make the Faith of God without effect. To effect something is to work it out. Or God forbid because then how could we make the true one and every man a lair?

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Roams 1: 3-4

 

[garee]

No... faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." (NIV)

In other words, it is certainty about the things God has told us. It's not based on what our senses perceive.

Yes based only on what things God has told us as it is written. (cause and effect)

In all things he must do the first works as our first loving experience in knowing Him. Repenting comforting our selves we return to that first work of believing God.

Strongs lexicon.. Repent ) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted. 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion. 1a2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent. 1a3) to comfort oneself, be comforted. 1a4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself. 1b) (Piel) to comfort, console. 1c) (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled

Confidence in whose faith? The faith of Christ that works in us? He gives us the confidence that if he has begun the good work of "cause and effect" (salvation) in us he will finish it to the end.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this "very thing", that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

The next chapter He warns us not to murmur in selfish pride.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshilipian2:12-13

Reminding us of the blessing in Hebrew 6. as the better things that accompanies salvation .He will not forget the good works we offer towards his name. .Not like the man in Mathew 7 who offered the good works in respect to his own name. the many . He never knew him called him a worker of iniquity . the gospel of unconverted mankind. No faith.

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that "accompany salvation", though we thus speak.For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. Hebrew 6:9-10

 

[Dino246]

Yes, faith is the gospel key that unlocks the gates of hell and chains up lying spirits in a everlasting judgement called a bottomless pit.

Irrelevant bafflegab once again. If you're going to respond to a post of mine, please try to make your comments relevant to mine.

Believing (exercising or working faith is believing.) Faith to faith . Believing to believing. And not seeing to believe. But believing exercising faith to see the unseen eternal things of God. The gospel. Faith without believing the result of hearing. . . . is dead.

Wrong. "Faith without works is dead"; not 'faith without believing is dead". Don't mess with Scripture.

What would matters of other things other than salvation if we are believing the author of all truth ?

Please take a class in basic written English so that you can communicate your thoughts clearly.

One source of Christian faith as it is written ... it therefore representing the unseen work of God.

What do you think the it represents?

The "it" in that sentence merely refers to the written Scripture. The "it" does not refer to or represent "the unseen work of God"; that is a complete misunderstanding of basic English grammar.

What can you believe without the Spirit of Christ working in you to both will and do the good purpose ? What if some believe not. (no faith) Will their unbelief make the Faith of God without effect. To effect something is to work it out. Or God forbid because then how could we make the true one and every man a lair?

These questions are irrelevant, because my statement was about the link between repentance and faith. Please try to stay focused.

 

[Dino246]

In all things he must do the first works as our first loving experience in knowing Him. Repenting comforting our selves we return to that first work of believing God.

Strongs lexicon.. Repent ) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted. 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion. 1a2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent. 1a3) to comfort oneself, be comforted. 1a4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself. 1b) (Piel) to comfort, console. 1c) (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled

Garee, Strong's lexicon is NOT a dictionary by which to understand the meaning of a word. It is a reference showing how a Greek or Hebrew word was translated in the KJV. You cannot force-fit every translation of a particular word into every English use of that word; that simply is NOT how proper word studies are done.

Repentance unto salvation is NOT "consoling oneself". It is acknowledging before God the fact of one's wrongdoing and the wrongness of that action, and making a conscious decision to turn away from such action in the future.

Confidence in whose faith? The faith of Christ that works in us? He gives us the confidence that if he has begun the good work of "cause and effect" (salvation) in us he will finish it to the end.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this "very thing", that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Once again, you have taken words from all over the place and you're trying to form a coherent doctrine. It's the wrong approach. You can't simply pull a word from a completely unrelated context and apply the nuance of its meaning to your subject verse. Hebrews 11 IS NOT about "confidence in whose faith" at all; you don't define a word by using that word! Hebrews 11:1 defines faith completely. Don't corrupt your own understanding of plain Scripture by conflating unrelated verses!

The next chapter He warns us not to murmur in selfish pride.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshilipian2:12-13

That verse has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the definition of faith.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The Bible says that faith Is fruit of the Spirit so then how do people that have not been reborn yet get faith unless they use sense knowledge or does faith In THIS context for MAN mean believe,IMO faith In this context for man means to believe with sense knowledge.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I never said anything to the contrary my friend. The very moment someone is quickened they exercise faith and repentance. God doesn't do the repenting and believing for them, but by divinely quickening them, it changes their nature, frees their will, so they can exercise them. They are both gifts of regeneration.

Then I am sorry that I misunderstood.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I never said anything to the contrary my friend. The very moment someone is quickened they exercise faith and repentance. God doesn't do the repenting and believing for them, but by divinely quickening them, it changes their nature, frees their will, so they can exercise them. They are both gifts of regeneration.

I understand that the Holy Spirit pricks the fleshy heart of the regenerated person, but it is man that responds out of his guilt to repent. Some regenerate's do not repent.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I understand that the Holy Spirit pricks the fleshy heart of the regenerated person, but it is man that responds out of his guilt to repent. Some regenerate's do not repent.

I totally disagree with that last sentence. If they been regenerated, they will repent(talking about the very moment they’re saved).