is this Messianic?
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The "whole" of chapter 4, sounds to me, like an attempted "long-winded" "pick up line", intended for 1, or more of Solomon's "women!" 
(probably not the only one he used either )
With the verses of the OP, an obvious "clincher line", inasmuch, as it was a very very recent history. One to which the perspective "comforting damsel", could readily identify with, in Solly's referring to His daddy, and king Saul, and prophetically, to himself. Although, at that particular time, I don't think "that" had yet happened to him.
I suppose one could allude those verses to the Coming Messiah. But, I can't stretch that far, PH.
(probably not the only one he used either )With the verses of the OP, an obvious "clincher line", inasmuch, as it was a very very recent history. One to which the perspective "comforting damsel", could readily identify with, in Solly's referring to His daddy, and king Saul, and prophetically, to himself. Although, at that particular time, I don't think "that" had yet happened to him.
I suppose one could allude those verses to the Coming Messiah. But, I can't stretch that far, PH.
The "whole" of chapter 4, sounds to me, like an attempted "long-winded" "pick up line", intended for 1, or more of Solomon's "women!" (probably not the only one he used either )
(probably not the only one he used either )
So I admired the dead, who have already died, more than the living, who are still alive. But better than either of them is the one who has not yet existed, who has not seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.
(Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)
sounds like a good time?
if Solomon were around today, doctors would drug him senseless with antidepressants
Trof said he sees a picture of Saul & David in this, too - that's insightful of both of you IMO. we know David prefigures Christ, and so the same motif of type is repeated in Jesus. the Bible is fractal, in this way, over and over and over the same 'strange attractor' appears, the image of the Messiah, the image of the invisible God, being revealed to man.
my opinion ((which i can support with scripture)) is that all the scripture testifies of Christ, and this chapter is also scripture - so i love so much what Oldthennew said, "of course" it is Messianic -- it all is. we just have to search out how
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Lets think about this.
The 1st comes out of prison or prisons (did Christ come out of prisons?
From him comes a son, who has great rule, a multitude of people and is beloved, but his kingdom is short lived.
His successor is not well received.
The first one could not be christ, he did not come out of prisons to assume his kingdom
The first son could possibly be, he had a great kingdom and was loved.
Yet he had a successor, who succedes christ? And his kingdom was short lived, Is j=not jesus kingdom eternal?
The socond son was not well recieved, his people did not want him, It says this kigdom too was meaningless. Chasing after the wind, Is christs kingdom meaningless? Is he chasing after the wind?
The 1st comes out of prison or prisons (did Christ come out of prisons?
From him comes a son, who has great rule, a multitude of people and is beloved, but his kingdom is short lived.
His successor is not well received.
The first one could not be christ, he did not come out of prisons to assume his kingdom
The first son could possibly be, he had a great kingdom and was loved.
Yet he had a successor, who succedes christ? And his kingdom was short lived, Is j=not jesus kingdom eternal?
The socond son was not well recieved, his people did not want him, It says this kigdom too was meaningless. Chasing after the wind, Is christs kingdom meaningless? Is he chasing after the wind?
It means the young king fell out of favour with the people, resulting in the downfall of yet another king.
Many people will follow this young man. But later, those same people will not like him. [they kicked him out.] This is also senseless. It is like trying to catch the wind. (Ecc 4:16 ERV)
It is talking about the futility of life. Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall and "then you will learn that God Most High rules over human kingdoms and gives them to whoever he wants." (Dan 4:32 ERV)
It would be true to say the pre-incarnate Jesus ruled over the downfall of both kings, but please do not say Jesus was one of the fallen kings. That would be a terrible heresy.
Many people will follow this young man. But later, those same people will not like him. [they kicked him out.] This is also senseless. It is like trying to catch the wind. (Ecc 4:16 ERV)
It is talking about the futility of life. Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall and "then you will learn that God Most High rules over human kingdoms and gives them to whoever he wants." (Dan 4:32 ERV)
It would be true to say the pre-incarnate Jesus ruled over the downfall of both kings, but please do not say Jesus was one of the fallen kings. That would be a terrible heresy.
Proverbs 21:30
There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:23-24
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
Jeremiah 9:23-24
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: 24But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
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I think that Solomon is speaking of himself. That he would rather be that without his riches but remain wise in the Lord.
The foolish King was him not heeding the warning of to many wives that would draw him away from God's calling.
You cannot serve mammon and God Jesus said. His spirit is vexed and nothing that he has brings him comfort. All is vanity.
Solomon is a picture of misusing the Lord's blessings and although the wisest of all how foolish he became not heeding the warning.
Even in his kingdom the richest of all kingdoms he finds himself poor.
May be off the mark but this is what I seen.
The foolish King was him not heeding the warning of to many wives that would draw him away from God's calling.
You cannot serve mammon and God Jesus said. His spirit is vexed and nothing that he has brings him comfort. All is vanity.
Solomon is a picture of misusing the Lord's blessings and although the wisest of all how foolish he became not heeding the warning.
Even in his kingdom the richest of all kingdoms he finds himself poor.
May be off the mark but this is what I seen.
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I Do not see the words later days, Your adding the word days. It says those who come after the first king, (who come later, after the first successor) who are there for his successor.
It says the successor to the first son, the people did not like. Yet that was meaningless, as chasing the wind..
Again, who are the three kings, the passage speaks of three kings. Why are you focusing on this, you did not even respond to what I saw from the passage, is there a reason?
It says the successor to the first son, the people did not like. Yet that was meaningless, as chasing the wind..
Again, who are the three kings, the passage speaks of three kings. Why are you focusing on this, you did not even respond to what I saw from the passage, is there a reason?
So I admired the dead, who have already died, more than the living, who are still alive. But better than either of them is the one who has not yet existed, who has not seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.
(Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)
sounds like a good time?
if Solomon were around today, doctors would drug him senseless with antidepressants
And you're right they push those antidepressents on everyone these days, disgusting.
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i get later days because it mentions those who come later. it is common to measure time or to speak of time in days.
i don't see the word 'son' anywhere but in some man's commentary.
Trof points out that the LXX and masoretic texts are different here - not able to research that from my phone. but maybe this is why some translations have 'second youth' and some just have the youth who will stand in his ((the kings?)) stead. if there are two youths there's no indication the first one reigns only the second. so I don't see three rulers at all.
how do you get 3 kings?
i don't see the word 'son' anywhere but in some man's commentary.
Trof points out that the LXX and masoretic texts are different here - not able to research that from my phone. but maybe this is why some translations have 'second youth' and some just have the youth who will stand in his ((the kings?)) stead. if there are two youths there's no indication the first one reigns only the second. so I don't see three rulers at all.
how do you get 3 kings?