Is Trump the mouth in Daniel 7 & 8?

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louis

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In Daniel 7 & 8 the beast with ten horns is provided a mouth that speaks great things.
This mouth that speaks great things casts some of the stars of heaven to the ground and stamps all over them (Daniel 9:10).
He is also described in Daniel 8:12 casting truth to the ground.
With the understanding that the Lords angels provide mankind with illumination and truth, we can then assess the stars of heaven that are cast to the ground being the illumination Gods angels provide mankind.
He has a massive ego (Daniel 8:11), which makes him see himself as God.
While the little horns mouth is speking his great things and denying truth, he also causes craft to prosper (Daniel 8:24-25).
Now let's look at Trump.
He constantly speaks how great things are going to be.
He is a pathological liar.
He has a massive ego.
His policies so far seem to have caused the stock market to sky rocket.
While these truths about Trump do not necessarilly mean Trump is the beasts mouth, he nevertheless does meet all the criteria I have posted so far.


Daniel 7:8 [FONT=&quot]I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and a mouth speaking great things[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
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20 [FONT=&quot]And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]a mouth that spake very great things[/FONT][FONT=&quot], whose look was more stout than his fellows.
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25 [FONT=&quot]And he shall speak great words against the most High[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot], and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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10 [FONT=&quot]And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot].
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11 [FONT=&quot]Yea, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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12 [FONT=&quot]And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.[/FONT]
 

carl11

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No, this has nothing to do with Trump. This is talking about Satan and his minions.
 

MattforJesus

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Trump does tend to have a big mouth at times,but he is not the mouth of Daniel 7 and 8.

The man of sin,the beast,will be in to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and will not acknowledge any higher power,and will not honor the God of his fathers,and will not regard any god,but in his estate he will honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power,and he will exalt himself above all that is called God or worshipped,and he will exalt himself above all people who ever lived in the history of mankind.

And he will not have the desire of women,so he will not date a woman,will not marry a woman,and will not have children.

He will only be interested in learning the occult for his entire life to prepare to be the New Age Christ.

He is so arrogant,and self exalting,that he will not compete with people over politics,business,military positions,or religious positions,or any other position where people compete with each other,for they are beneath him,and an insult to him to compete with them,and he is not interested in those positions,and a hindrance to his agenda to be above all them,and do what no other person has ever done and that is rule the world.

He will come in with a bang,and establish peace in the Middle East,and then work from there,and be seen in the eyes of the world as a great man of peace,and the answers on how to establish peace on earth,and to harmonize the nations to work together for peace on earth,and shall deceive all people who do not love God.

And he is learning the occult to be prepared to be the New Age Christ,and there is no competition for that for he is the only one training for that position,and nobody else will compete with him.

Also the little horn with the mouth speaking great swelling words,and with the eyes of man,comes after the ten horns,and the ten horns is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the nations come together and try to establish peace on earth,which is in the future.

Anybody you see that is in positions like Trump,and competing for positions in government,military,religion,business,or anything else they compete for they will not be the man of sin,the beast.

Is Obama the antichrist,is Trump the antichrist,is it this person,or that person,but they are not the antichrist.

The antichrist does not acknowledge any higher power,and does not have any desire for women,which Trump does.

The antichrist is only concerned with spending his time learning the occult,and preparing to be the New Age Christ.

But Donald Trump is in on the plan,and said the biometric entry exit visa tracking system will be on land,sea,and air,and half of illegal immigrants came over on temporary visas,and then they never left.

So he is getting the ball rolling for the microchip,which one thing leads to another,for it is for this,and then it is for that,and then eventually it will be a tracking device implanted to identify the person,the one world economic system,and to keep track of people,and to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the area,and how close they were to the crime scene.
 
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Give me a sec. I'm going to look up what Trump means in the Greek. You might be on to something :confused:
 
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OtherWay210

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The mouth, is the one that speaks as a Dragon ; because he is the dragon himself pretending to be the lamb slain returned.
Revelation 13: 11-14 . Its Satan ( Revelation 12: 7-17 ; 2 Thessalonians 2 ; Luke 10:18 ) .

Not Trump. The point in Daniel, we're at in prophecy, would be the raiser of taxes. Some believe, the raiser of taxes to be the United Nations, and the carbon tax, related to Green polices , like climate change. Some believe its referring to an individual.
Some believe the raiser of taxes was Obama. Trumps here but Trump rejected the Paris Agreement Unless he changed his mind recently..
There is also other prophecy that leads to the deadly wound that you'd have to consider ..

The mouth is about Satan's Mouth, Satan is the little horn ; how he lifts himself above all .

 
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carl11

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So he is getting the ball rolling for the microchip,which one thing leads to another,for it is for this,and then it is for that,and then eventually it will be a tracking device implanted to identify the person,the one world economic system,and to keep track of people,and to cut down on crime for if a crime happens they will know who was in the area,and how close they were to the crime scene.
If that were so Trump is already behind schedule because there is a company in Wisconsin, who since July have had their employees microchipped but it was all voluntary and this was in July of last year.
 

star

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Can we just not label President Trump with anymore falsehoods?
 
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Can we just not label President Trump with anymore falsehoods?
One can never be too careful. I found how his name is translated in sign language ... and it looks awfully suspicious to me :confused:
 

louis

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There are numerous criteria (only a few of which I mentioned) for what the beasts mouth will do.
People here cannot explain it away with unsupported by scriptures conjecture.
If someone claims the beasts mouth is Satan, then show me scriptures corroborating that.
If you cannot show me scriptures supporting your perspective, you are then simply conveying your unsupported by scriptures dogma to me, which contradict what scripture (Gods Word) says.
Here is one scripture (Revelation 16:13), which shows the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, (aka, the antichrist, aka the beasts mouth) as seperate entities.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Here is another scripture (Revelation 20:10) indicating the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet (aka the antichrist, aka the beasts mouth) as seperate entities.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I find it quite amazing how people continuously deny scripture in preference for their own dogmas.
These dogmas that contradict the Lords illumination through His Word, come from the devil who deceives all mankind (Revelation 12:9). He does this by posing as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), when instead he is actually providing us false illumination.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 

louis

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Can we just not label President Trump with anymore falsehoods?
I did say that Trump may not necessarilly represent the beasts mouth.
Nevertheless, he certainly still does meet the several criteria about the beasts mouth that I did post.
 

louis

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One can never be too careful. I found how his name is translated in sign language ... and it looks awfully suspicious to me :confused:
Instead of numerology or some other false means for identifying who the beasts mouth may be, might it be better if we look to Gods Word who provides us with the criteria for who the beasts mouth is?
 
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Instead of numerology or some other false means for identifying who the beasts mouth may be, might it be better if we look to Gods Word who provides us with the criteria for who the beasts mouth is?

Instead of CNN too perhaps
:rolleyes:
 

Ezekiel8

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Nope, President Trump is a good servant, he is probably one of the only Christian Heads of State currently reigning. After that UN vote to condemn Israel and America (by far the most Christian nation in the world, and maybe the only major one), I think before that little horn what you might want to look at is Daniel 11, verses 16 to 18. It will be US against the world. The stage is being set.
 

louis

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Does anyone here understand that one who speaks of great things that are contrary to God is the same as someone who prophesies false things?

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
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20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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Does anyone here understand that one who speaks of great things that are contrary to God is the same as someone who prophesies false things?
Are you suggesting that Trump's political views being in contrast to the liberal Democrats equates to being in contrast to God ? Surely you jest ?
 

7seasrekeyed

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I mean, how do people come up with this kind of stuff?

and the snake in the garden was really a metaphor for a garden hose :p
 
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I mean, how do people come up with this kind of stuff?

and the snake in the garden was really a metaphor for a garden hose :p
Good question ... and one that I won't attempt to make sense of :confused:
 

tanakh

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In Daniel 7 & 8 the beast with ten horns is provided a mouth that speaks great things.
This mouth that speaks great things casts some of the stars of heaven to the ground and stamps all over them (Daniel 9:10).
He is also described in Daniel 8:12 casting truth to the ground.
With the understanding that the Lords angels provide mankind with illumination and truth, we can then assess the stars of heaven that are cast to the ground being the illumination Gods angels provide mankind.
He has a massive ego (Daniel 8:11), which makes him see himself as God.
While the little horns mouth is speking his great things and denying truth, he also causes craft to prosper (Daniel 8:24-25).
Now let's look at Trump.
He constantly speaks how great things are going to be.
He is a pathological liar.
He has a massive ego.
His policies so far seem to have caused the stock market to sky rocket.
While these truths about Trump do not necessarilly mean Trump is the beasts mouth, he nevertheless does meet all the criteria I have posted so far.


Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 8:
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Congratulations! You are the first person Iv'e seen on site that thinks Trump could be the Antichrist. Obama had his turn so its only fair for Trump to get his. The only similarities I see is a big mouth and a burning desire to send fire down from heaven. He has got a few more years in office so I will keep my options open on this one. lol
 

louis

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Are you suggesting that Trump's political views being in contrast to the liberal Democrats equates to being in contrast to God ? Surely you jest ?
According to the Lords Word in Revelation 9:20, the environmental plagues seen in Revelation chapters 8 & 9 are caused by the love mankind has for the works from his hands. This represents industrial pollution, and Donald Trump's policies are pulling all the plugs on environmental conservatism.
Just yesterday he pulled the plug on oil drilling in the Arctic. And unlike the Gulf of Mexico with its warm waters, if any serious calamity occurs with drilling operations in the Arctic; you may then just say goodbye to the currently pristine waters there.
So to answer your question about Trumps political views, and more importantly his economic views, which are very detrimental to earth's environmental issues: Yes, Trumps views are contrary to God.

Revelation 9:20 [FONT=&quot]And the rest of the men which were not killed by [/FONT][FONT=&quot]these plagues y[/FONT][FONT=&quot]et repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk[/FONT]