Is Vatican work for the devil?

[mwc68]

please understand we do not hate people, Jesus said to love,

but the bible does talk about a false religious church[mother of harlets]

and the bible says to come out of its teachings, people are decieved,

that does not make them evil, but God said this would happen.

the harlot thing again? Really? I think sometimes ya'll are really gullible. I suppose you believe in the "rapture" although there is not one scripture to support it

 

[mwc68]

Hi mwc I asked you a query about penance on the other thread but I
didn't want to alter that thread by bringing the catholic debate into it.
So I thought I would respond on this one.

I have mixed feelings about the Catholic Church as I have seen both the good
and bad in it. So if you would indulge me a little, I am honestly not into
Catholic bashing, no more than I am into any other denomination bashing.
We are all lost and need a saviour with the need to come to salvation.

Bad

The way it esteems popes and Mary when all glory, praise and honour
should be given to Christ.

The praying to Mary.

The way it teaches the mass actually becomes the body of Christ, as if it has
some magical properties almost. This IMO can give people a false sense of
salvation as it might lead people to think they are saved by partaking in the mass.

It is very ritualistic (which in some ways can be good see below) but the ritualism
can give people the impression they are saved just by following rituals.

I have an aunt who wanted to marry a Catholic but the Catholic Church forbid it
unless she was also Catholic. So she went through the rituals of becoming a
Catholic got married and never read the bible or attended a Catholic Church
again. This disturbs me as it suggests people think they are Catholics and are
saved just by doing a few things. She did.

Very few Catholics seen to read the bible or are encouraged to do so. But whatever regard
you have for the local priest, he is not infallible.

Good

It does say in the bible confess your sins one to another. I can see a kind of
way in which the confessional can be beneficial as it means having to go to
someone in humility and acknowledging they have done wrong, which must be
a very hard thing to do. Most people want to keep their wrong doing to themselves
and keep it secret. I am sure God must see those who do this with a right motive
and their humility. One thing though is I think from a biblical perspective the
priest would also need to confess their wrong doing to you, or at least to another
priest. I have also wondered who the pope confesses to. I think in all circumstances
of confessional it is vitally important to say sorry to God also, rather than just
another human being.

Some people do need ritualism and order for various reasons, they might
struggle otherwise to get their thoughts together. I have some friends who
go to a bible believing born again Church of England church. The first time i
visited I was surprised that they still used a book of prayer and also read out
various other thing from it during the service. There was no doubt it was a
bible believing church but they still had this tradition and a few others.
I came to realise over time though that this can be beneficial for some as it
is inclusive and the whole congregation joins in. Even those who might by
shy of speaking out publically or who would find it difficult to concentrate
can join in with these public statements and prayers.

In the city I live there is a real spiritual revival going on and it is spreading
to the Catholic Churches, there seems to be a lot less praying to Mary and
more rejoicing in the Lord. Catholic Church's which were once very insular
and closed off seem to be opening their doors and holding evangelical
meetings and mission days. I think God does and is working in the Catholic
Church and that there are genuine born again Christians within it.
One Catholic church up the road has started to have healing meetings and
times of bible reading and waiting upon God. They are more spiritually
alive than another evangelical church nearby.

I for one would never say someone is not saved because they go to a Catholic
Church, while I would not attend a Catholic Church because there are certain
things I just can't agree with, I think we will all get a big surprise in
the next life when we find out who was saved all along and who wasn't.

mwc read your bible don't be afraid to ask questions, enquire of God,
trust in Him, ask Him to direct your path, if you currently feel more
comfortable in the Catholic Church then maybe that is right for you at
the current time.

God bless

ps sorry this is so long!

What are mission days? Not trying to trip you up, we might call it something different

 

[Miri]

It's where they have opened up the church and gone out with tracts to evangelise
people and invite them back to hear the bible teachings and the gospel message.

I have not heard of Catholic Churches doing this before. Even the signs up outside have
changed, instead of just displaying the times of services, they now are putting up bible
verses or sayings like "come all who are thirsty" etc.

 

[mwc68]

It's where they have opened up the church and gone out with tracts to evangelise
people and invite them back to hear the bible teachings and the gospel message.

I have not heard of Catholic Churches doing this before. Even the signs up outside have
changed, instead of just displaying the times of services, they now are putting up bible
verses or sayings like "come all who are thirsty" etc.

we do something similar at fairs and festivals called Encounter Catholic. We set up a booth and hand out rosaries and talk with the people about our faith. Believe it or not, protestants really want the rosaries. I'm not sure what they do with them, but we handout a lot of them to protestants and it always amazes me because it is nothing like what I encounter here at CC

 

[Jackson123]

Let me remind every body about the topic.

One world government is work for the devil.

Who ever promote this government working for the Devil.


So far, we know some influence person promote it,


Pope is one of these, and I believe Vatican orchestra this project.




Mean Pope and Vatican are work for the Devil.

This is not a judgement. This is expose the darkness.

Ephesians 5:11​

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

 

[mwc68]

Let me remind every body about the topic.

One world government is work for the devil.

Who ever promote this government working for the Devil.


So far, we know some influence person promote it,


Pope is one of these, and I believe Vatican orchestra this project.




Mean Pope and Vatican are work for the Devil.

This is not a judgement. This is expose the darkness.

Ephesians 5:11​

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

I already told you before the pope is not the antichrist. Judging(lol) by what I see here, there is no way in h*** any of you would accept Catholicism as the one religion, so get off this. The one religion,imho, will be Islam.That is what you should worry about. They are the ones taking heads and killing Christians for their belief.

 

[mwc68]

You people stated another Catholic hate thread!!!!!!!! And you call youselves Christians? I'm so outta here. Pat yourselves on the back. The friut here at CC STINKS!!!!!!

 

[Jackson123]

I already told you before the pope is not the antichrist. Judging(lol) by what I see here, there is no way in h*** any of you would accept Catholicism as the one religion, so get off this. The one religion,imho, will be Islam.That is what you should worry about. They are the ones taking heads and killing Christians for their belief.

You have to answered my question before make conclusion.

Whether Pope antichrist or not, first, my concern is Is he work for the devil?


1. One world religion is work for the devil.

2. Pope promote one world religion.

Mean Pope world for the devil.

 

[tanach]

I think it is wrong to attack Catholics or any other denomination for that matter. With regard to the Catholic Church one only need to think of the troubles in Ireland to see where hate can lead. Although I realise Politics played a large part in that situation. Most people who are Catholic are so because they were born into a Catholic family and have little knowledge of
alternative beliefs. I have met and worked with Catholics and know that most are sincere in their faith. I do not agree with a number of Catholic beliefs but then there are some Protestant beliefs I would not agree with either. One such is
an obsession regarding the Pope (whichever one happens to be alive at the time), is the Antichrist. The Catholic Church has been around for Centuries. If it represents the Beast Kingdom then surely the second coming would have taken place by now and we should all be enjoying the Millenium.

 

[Jackson123]

You people stated another Catholic hate thread!!!!!!!! And you call youselves Christians? I'm so outta here. Pat yourselves on the back. The friut here at CC STINKS!!!!!!

I already told you, this is not hatred. This is love and expose that Pope promote NWO mean working for the devil, Why you follow this religion that working for the devil.

If you give me a risen why promote NWO mean not working for the devil, than I will consider.

Other wise, You have to answered my Question, Why you partaker the religion that working for the devil.

 

[Jackson123]

I think it is wrong to attack Catholics or any other denomination for that matter. With regard to the Catholic Church one only need to think of the troubles in Ireland to see where hate can lead. Although I realise Politics played a large part in that situation. Most people who are Catholic are so because they were born into a Catholic family and have little knowledge of
alternative beliefs. I have met and worked with Catholics and know that most are sincere in their faith. I do not agree with a number of Catholic beliefs but then there are some Protestant beliefs I would not agree with either. One such is
an obsession regarding the Pope (whichever one happens to be alive at the time), is the Antichrist. The Catholic Church has been around for Centuries. If it represents the Beast Kingdom then surely the second coming would have taken place by now and we should all be enjoying the Millenium.

Expose the darkness is the will of God and it is commanded at
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Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

If you son working toward ravine, and you love him don't you warn him.

Son the road you on direct you to ravine in the end of the day it will kill you.

And it is love not hatred.

This is example of hatred.

Son you in the right path.

Than your son die.

 

[Jackson123]

You people stated another Catholic hate thread!!!!!!!! And you call youselves Christians? I'm so outta here. Pat yourselves on the back. The friut here at CC STINKS!!!!!!

Can you prove Pope never promote one world government?

Can you prove one world government work for the Lord?

I don't understand a person call himself christian follow this kind of religion that promote the work of the devil.

 

[Jackson123]

As a christian, we believe that Jesus is the only savior.

It is mean Buddha, Hindu, Muslim will go to hell.


We as a Christian ordered/obligate to spread this news.

So when we meet Muslim and we said Jesus is the only way to the Father/heaven. automatically mean/indirectly we said Muslim is false religion and not bring to heaven.

Is that judge?

If that mean to judge, than every christian is judge, because every christian obligate to spread this news.

To expose the darkness of Catholic is not to judge, but it is commanded by the bible


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Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

 

[mwc68]

I already told you, this is not hatred. This is love and expose that Pope promote NWO mean working for the devil, Why you follow this religion that working for the devil.

If you give me a risen why promote NWO mean not working for the devil, than I will consider.

Other wise, You have to answered my Question, Why you partaker the religion that working for the devil.

You are saying that me, my entire family, and a lot of my friends are working for the devil. I cannot accept that

 

[Jackson123]

You are saying that me, my entire family, and a lot of my friends are working for the devil. I cannot accept that

I don't know why you never answered my question:

1. Pope call for one world government,it is in almost every major news paper Do you believe it?

2. One world government as explained in rev 13, work for the devil or for the Lord.?

 

[PeterJens]

As normal the question is meaningless. In one regard everyone who sins "works" for the devil.

There is really only one meaningful question, do you love Jesus, and work for His Kingdom.
Everything else is just shades of grey, varying in there effect and darkness

 

[Jackson123]

You are saying that me, my entire family, and a lot of my friends are working for the devil. I cannot accept that

It sad you can't accept but you don't want to answered my Question.

Pope promote one world government, mean work for the devil.

As a christian I have to expose it.

It is the will of God to expose the darkness.

 

[Jackson123]

As normal the question is meaningless. In one regard everyone who sins "works" for the devil.

There is really only one meaningful question, do you love Jesus, and work for His Kingdom.
Everything else is just shades of grey, varying in there effect and darkness

Yes sin work for the devil.

But there is a sin that danger and bring other when sin commit by the leader.

The leader call for one world government.

If the follower accept and support it, mean the leader create more sins.

This sins, must expose, because most people will consider not a sin if the religious leader promote it.

Some People believe Pope is infallible in moral and dogma.

That make them believe what ever Pope teach and promote.

Do you really love Jesus ?

If You do than you have to expose the darkness.

 

[Jackson123]

steal is a sin.


And every body know it.

there are some sin that is little disguised. This is a time for people who love Jesus to expose it.

Love Jesus mean do the will of God, one of them is expose the darkness.

support one world government is work for the devil and it is disguised sin.

If a leader promote one world government is a sin. It is little different compare to steal.

If one steal, it will not encourage other to commit sin.

If one promote one world government, encourage other to support the work of the devil/encourage other to doing sin.


Matthew 18:6King James Version (KJV)

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[mwc68]

I had a horrible time yesterday which led me to think about why I am even on this site. The main reason is Fellowship! I will no longer participate in the Catholic hate threads or anwer any Catholic questions. I have to realize these questions are just set ups to ridicule me