Islam: Religion of peace or war?

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Sparky

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I've heard some Muslims say they're a religion of peace, and those Muslims who are going around beheading Christians are just Muslim extremists. But if they were extreme about their religion, and it claims to be a religion of peace, wouldn't they be extremely peaceful?
'Nough said.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Islam slaving again in the Middle East: Islamic State Circulates Sex Slave Price List - Bloomberg Business

Note: Adolescent girls go for $124.

"A senior United Nations official says Islamic State is circulating a slave price list for captured women and children, and that the group’s ongoing appeal and barbarity pose an unprecedented challenge.

The official, Zainab Bangura, said that on a trip to Iraq in April she was given a copy of an Islamic State pamphlet, which included the list, showing that captured children as young as one fetch the highest price. The bidders include both the group’s own fighters and wealthy Middle Easterners."
 
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biblicaltruth15

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I watch the 700 Club, and I heard Pat Robertson talk about all the wars started by Islams are started by a religion of war NOT peace. Is it really true that Islam is a religion of war not peace? And does it say anything about this in the bible?

This is where everything about Islam was born and here is also God`s view on this religion. (Ezekiel 8:15-16) This act was introduced as the result of the misinterpretation of King Solomon`s dedication prayer concerning the First Temple. (1 Kings 8:30,35-53)

It were the Israelites themselves that started Islam and that is why all the prophets recorded in the Quran except Muhammed were all Jewish.
 
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This is where everything about Islam was born and here is also God`s view on this religion. (Ezekiel 8:15-16) This act was introduced as the result of the misinterpretation of King Solomon`s dedication prayer concerning the First Temple. (1 Kings 8:30,35-53)

It were the Israelites themselves that started Islam and that is why all the prophets recorded in the Quran except Muhammed were all Jewish.
Oh, really? Please, do tell.
 
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biblicaltruth15

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Oh, really? Please, do tell.

When they were carried into captivity, they kept practising this abominable act, (Ezekiel 8:16) mixing it together with the teachings of the "Old Testament" among the Arab nations where they dwelled and gradually it spread and became the Arabs religion. They translated the "Old Testament Scroll" into arabic and named it Quran.
 
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JoelG

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If it true that Muslim believe that it is a sin to destroy the Quran, then we should put one in every one of our military vehicles.
I did not come up with this. I heard it somewhere.
 

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To your question is Islam a religion of war or of peace? The answer it is a religion of war. I have read the Quran or Koran and it calls Muslims to crucify, decapitate, etc someone if they do not convert to Islam. While not all Muslims are part of these Islamist extremist groups the beginning of Islam to present day has always been violent. Our president sadly does not get this or gets this, but wants to pull the same thing on Christians. As far as I know from reading the Quran, there is only one verse where the Muslim is called to love their enemies. Otherwise they are called to do alms, fast (Ramadan), take a pilgrimage to Mecca, pray five times (I think it is) to Mecca, and say the confession of the Islamic faith, which has many variants but one says, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet." According to the Quran the unbeliever (infidel or kafir) has four options. Either they can pay the jizya (the tax) and by doing so become a second class citizen in what would be called dhimmitude, flee, convert to Islam, or be killed. Amazingly, not all Muslims realize what their Quran and the hadiths (I think they are sayings) of Muhammad say which show that Islam is not a religion of peace but of war. In fact even the Bible hinted that something is wrong with Islam, when it mentions Ishmael in a prophecy and it says that he will always be at war with his brothers. In fact Galatians 1, knocks out JWs, Mormons, ''Christian'' Science, Islam and all other false religions with a phrase that basically says don't listen to an angel if what they say is not what the Bible says. Also, thankfully not all Muslims kill people. In fact those who are part of ISIS or Islamic State, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, Al-Qaeda, Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Al-Nusra, and many others are really followers of the teachings of Muhammad and not followers of the triune deity which Jesus, the Son is part of. The Trinity, which consists of God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit (who is a he and not an it or force as the JWs call him, even Jesus referred to the Spirit as a he). So Pat Robertson is correct (he is not always correct but if you were to ask a lot of Muslims in the Middle East, what Islam is, a lot of them even if they did not kill people, would mention what the sayings of Muhammad and the Koran say which shows that Islam is violent by its very nature, as quoted in the The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbons, it is a religion of the sword and the book in the chapter about Islam and its origins. But though it is a religion of war, the best way to reach Muslims for Christ, is to simply love them and talk to them just like a regular person, then they might open up more and start asking questions, and who knows they might accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and sovereign Lord and especially accept him as the Son of God (a concept that is goofed in their Koran, which thinks that Mary is part of the Trinity, which she is not and think is about three gods when it is about one God in three Persons). God bless. Have a beautiful day!
 
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This is where everything about Islam was born and here is also God`s view on this religion. (Ezekiel 8:15-16) This act was introduced as the result of the misinterpretation of King Solomon`s dedication prayer concerning the First Temple. (1 Kings 8:30,35-53)

It were the Israelites themselves that started Islam and that is why all the prophets recorded in the Quran except Muhammed were all Jewish.
The Prophets of Scripture point to Jesus as the Messiah.

moohammed conveniently left Jesus' divinity out of the koran.
 

Utah

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If it true that Muslim believe that it is a sin to destroy the Quran, then we should put one in every one of our military vehicles.
Imagine that. Not blowing up a military vehicle because its loaded with toilet paper.
 

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When any collective within the auspices of any religion believe their work on this earth, the creation, is to defend or hlp the Father by killing all whom they deem spiritually inferior, that collective has a weak and false god.

No one who knows Elah, Allah, God the Almighty would ever presume to kill those who are not yet in the fold simply because they have not seen the Light. The Holy Spirit witnesses to this, and Christ on the cross practiced this.

In short, anyone who kills for a god is sorely mistaken, deaf, dumb and blind.

Blessed be the only God, the God Who is Love.

(before anyone gets jiggy about this post, it refers to unfinished Christians, Jews and Moslems, no exceptions.)
 
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Kaycie

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Yes, it says that people will persecute you, even put you to death, while thinking they are doing a service to God. Remember that Saul (Paul) did the same. He was of physical line to Abraham (which no longer counts for anything), he was well learned, and he tried to persecute Christ's church, that is before he learned the truth. I have studied with (and converted some of them, and they tell me they are being lied to. They are shown the worse of America- homosexuality, murder, kidnapping, drugs, pornography, even canablism Then they are told that Americans do these evil things FOR Christ, and that most Americans claim to be Christians. This is why they feel they are doing a service to God by destroying us. After all, they think we are still living in Old Testament times, and what did David do? He killed more enemies than king Saul, and the people praised him for it- which made Saul jealous. Some Islam see that Christians are peaceful, but others see us as wolves in sheepskin. They need to see our love and compassion.
 
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JaumeJ

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Christian countries and Christians, Jews, Moslems invading killing women children and men too is not demonstrating to the world how they love and love God. This, by the example of Christ, should no longer need be taught against, but somehow people have managed to skirt the truth replacing it with theologies of mankind, traditions of mankind and lies promoted by the enemy.

Reading in Revelation we know one of the first things God will do when He returns is to destroy the destroyers. As we live we die with Christ while God continues the work He began in each of us who have named His Son as Savior of the world. Meanwhile, if we wish to obtain mercy, we must show mercy to all, even those who hate us, otherwise we are not imitating our Teacher, we are following the teachings of other flesh, and this should not be so.

It never stops bewildering the mind and soul just how well mankind has learned to cover the truth of the gospel with its own traditions taught as the Word of God. Little children, fellow children, let us learn from God, for we are invited by Him to do just that, amen.
 
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moohammed conveniently left Jesus' divinity out of the koran.
Actually it is interesting that you mention that. The Quran is bipolar when it comes to Jesus. It says he is not the Messiah then there are parts where it says he is the Messiah. It mentions that Jesus is virgin-born, that he had the Holy Spirit (which is a trinitarian concept), etc. So while Jesus' divinity is conveniently left out of the Koran, in some cases it keeps on slipping in. Strange, huh?
 
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psalm6819

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It's a religion that leads people to hell so does it matter if it's peacefully or in a warlike manner?
 

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Actually it is interesting that you mention that. The Quran is bipolar when it comes to Jesus. It says he is not the Messiah then there are parts where it says he is the Messiah. It mentions that Jesus is virgin-born, that he had the Holy Spirit (which is a trinitarian concept), etc. So while Jesus' divinity is conveniently left out of the Koran, in some cases it keeps on slipping in. Strange, huh?
Early and late Koran read almost like two separate Korans.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I am only permitted to reply to this with wisdom from the Word. No leader has power unless it is allowed by God. With this in mind and your explanation of what is God given, all nations must have this right.
All nations simply are permitted to function under the prolonged grace and mercy of God. It does not imply any "right" that He has not destroyed them, only that He is long-suffering, patient, and willing to go to great lengths to allow them to be evangelized and converted, knowing that not all will be, but being satisfied that some of them being converted is reason to be long-suffering and merciful.

I would not be too hasty in pronouncing God-given rights to any religion or denomination. This is the thinking that led to the Germany of the 1930's.
Man's thinking is not God's will. The Crusades were not God's will, but a massive bad interpretation of His will.

It is certain, were you to inquire of any denomination, they all have God-given rights.
Again, not "rights." Only His mercy and grace.

The only thing I have or want to have is grace by the Blood of Jesus Chrsit.. I believe I have this.
Without attempting to give credit to Arminians or offense to Calvinists -- I am neither but believe in the subject I am about to discuss -- the prevenient grace of God is divine grace that precedes human decision. It exists prior to and without reference to anything humans may have done. Among other things -- some of which are misunderstood and therefore badly exegeted and executed by certain denominations and theologians -- it is the grace that allows humans to engage in poor, unbiblical reasoning leading to bad decisions of action that are often claimed to be "God's will." They aren't, and there are no "rights" associated with those acts, only God's grace.

If you were to travel the world sharing the umbrella of being Christian, you will find a very strong presence in each country of people who believe they have God-given rights.
The writers of our U.S. Declaration of Independence accurately defined our only God-given rights as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We can add the right to own property, perhaps, but even that is questionable. Any other interpretation of "God-given rights" is beyond the scope of anything God grants, which makes those interpretations man's error, and nothing else.

The thought of God being involved with any branch of any government si an abomination, since our tru government is the Kingdome of God, the Moarchy, with Jesus Christ as our King.
The God-breathed words of Paul give error to that statement. Read Romans 13 again.

Do not look to worldly nationalities, color of skin, ethnicities, or any of the like, look to the Holy Spirit Who is left by Jesus Christ to lead us all to His truth. Love of the world is not one of the rights of any who believe Jesus Chrsit, amen.
I will not "amen" that sentence, sorry. God loves the world, so much so that He gave His only Son so that anyone believing in Him will not perish, but have everlasting life. And you want me to hate a world God loves? You are in error. I am to despise the ways of the fallen world, not the world itself.

The world here is nly in reference to material existenc, not to mankind whome our Lord loves to the extend of sending His Only Begotten Son.
If that was true, then God would not have bothered with Creation. The world is here to reveal God to His Creation, and give us reason to seek fellowship with Him. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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I watch the 700 Club, and I heard Pat Robertson talk about all the wars started by Islams are started by a religion of war NOT peace. Is it really true that Islam is a religion of war not peace? And does it say anything about this in the bible?
huh.. Wonder why this man was banned.
 
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thebesttrees

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Islam is not about peace it only creates war but then again I haven't seen Christianity create peace in the world either. Islam and Christianity stand for different things but they both seem to produce the same product. But then again did Jesus say he came to bring peace or a sword? The fact is we are at war we have been at war since the beginning of time and peace will only truly exist when the war is finally over, the world has never known peace there is always strive always hate always cruelty always brother against brother and eye for an eye.
True Christianity is all about peace. A reflection on the lives and sacrifices of the early Christians will surely convince any unbiased observer. They proved peace with their actions. Christ did bring the sword but this sword denotes division among those who follow His way and those who do not. It does not mean that He condones war and shedding of blood which are so very contrary to His teachings.