Israel

[ForestGreenCook]

How is this even true, when Revelation 7 exposes your fallacy? You've been sowing spiritual confusion to your own hurt and the hurt of others.

Now take a very close look at what is said:

144,000 OF REDEEMED AND RESTORED ISRAEL
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

From verses 5-8, all the tribes are specifically listed. Then we see the Church as a separate entity:

THE CHURCH: ALL NATIONS, KINDREDS, PEOPLES, AND TONGUES
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

In Scripture "the nations" or "all nations" means the Gentile nations. You never see them confused with the twelve tribes of Israel. And if God chooses to keep Israel distinct from the Church, no man has any business contradicting God.

Ezek 10 speaks of a wheel within a wheel. The outer, bigger wheel, represents the invisible church, which is made up of all of the elect of God. from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:9. The inner, smaller wheel, represents the visible church, which is made up of the 144,000, those who have been revealed the truths of the doctrine of Jesus.

 

[lenna]

replacement theology alert 📢

denial of scripture alert

 

[ForestGreenCook]

How is this even true, when Revelation 7 exposes your fallacy? You've been sowing spiritual confusion to your own hurt and the hurt of others.

Now take a very close look at what is said:

144,000 OF REDEEMED AND RESTORED ISRAEL
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

From verses 5-8, all the tribes are specifically listed. Then we see the Church as a separate entity:

THE CHURCH: ALL NATIONS, KINDREDS, PEOPLES, AND TONGUES
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

In Scripture "the nations" or "all nations" means the Gentile nations. You never see them confused with the twelve tribes of Israel. And if God chooses to keep Israel distinct from the Church, no man has any business contradicting God.

Ezek 10 talks about a Wheel within a wheel. The outer, bigger wheel, represents the invisible church, which is made up of all of the elect of God, from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, Rev 5:9 The inner wheel, smaller wheel, represents the visible church, which is the 144,000 who have been revealed the truths of Jesus's doctrine. Both combined is all of God's elect, and Jacob, whose name has been changed to be called Israel is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11.

 

[garee]

denial of scripture alert

Denial of the new promised name "Christian". A more befitting name to represent all the nations of the word . "Christian". a name the father name the bride in Acts.

Christian when defined without any other meaning added that means ."Residents of the city of Christ, prepared as his bride the church, named after her husband and founder, Christ.. .

Some teach its a derogatory name, named by those who appose Christianity .

 

[Keras]

The 144,000 a metaphorical number of all sealed as redeemed which no man can count. It represents all the sealed saints old testament and new, the bride of Christ. She is pictured in Revelation 12. We walk by faith the unseen eternal and are not of the number. . those who number days and people .Making the signified understanding of the book of Revelation without effect.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

When David sinned and numbered the troops thousands died .

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

Did you bother to look at Isaiah 66:19?
That verse directly refers to the 144,000 missionaries, who will go out to the nations and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

Why must you make a given number in the Bible, meaningless?

 

[JBaptist]

The passages read, Genesis 32: 28, 29. The man asked. "What is your name?" and he answered, "Ya'akov (Jacob). Then the man said, "From now on, you will no longer be called Ya'akov (Jacob), but Isra'el; because you have shown your strength to both God and man and have prevailed".

It was God, that he wrestled with, not and angel.

This version is from the Complete Jewish Bible. And it is the closest to the original language translation. The original translations were in Greek, but the Hebrews, of course have a different language system and customs/meanings. So, this has been translated from the Hebrew language and the meaning is clear.

 

[garee]

Did you bother to look at Isaiah 66:19?
That verse directly refers to the 144,000 missionaries, who will go out to the nations and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

Why must you make a given number in the Bible, meaningless?

Isaiah 66:19?

Did you mean add meaning to the metptphor. The signified understanding according to the opening statement of the book of Revelation?

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV)The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

What is the signified understanding of the word 144,000? A number no man can count? A number of all sealed or a remnant?

 

[Keras]

Isaiah 66:19?

Did you mean add meaning to the metptphor. The signified understanding according to the opening statement of the book of Revelation?

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV)The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

What is the signified understanding of the word 144,000? A number no man can count? A number of all sealed or a remnant?

I'll type it out for you:
Isaiah 66:18-21...I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue. They will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and will send [some of] them to preach the Gospel to all the peoples that have not heard of Me.
From every nation and by every means, My righteous people will come to My Holy mountain, Jerusalem, just as in ancient days, when the Israelites brought their offerings to Me.
Some of them, I shall take to be priests and Temple Levites. Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:5

Some of these; are the 144,000 - 12,000 out of each of the 12 divisions of God's people as mentioned in Revelation. This all must occur before the Return of Jesus.
2 Thess. 1:10…He reveals His glory among His own… Revelation 14:1 Jesus stands on Mt Zion and selects the 144,000.....

 

[garee]

I'll type it out for you:
Isaiah 66:18-21...I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue. They will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and will send [some of] them to preach the Gospel to all the peoples that have not heard of Me.
From every nation and by every means, My righteous people will come to My Holy mountain, Jerusalem, just as in ancient days, when the Israelites brought their offerings to Me.
Some of them, I shall take to be priests and Temple Levites. Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:5

Some of these; are the 144,000 - 12,000 out of each of the 12 divisions of God's people as mentioned in Revelation. This all must occur before the Return of Jesus.
2 Thess. 1:10…He reveals His glory among His own… Revelation 14:1 Jesus stands on Mt Zion and selects the 144,000.....

Yes every tongue the gospel. Not the tongue of the Jew alone . But the new priesthood men and woman alike from all the nations of the world.

Tribes(12) with the tribe of Dan left out for a certain purpose are used to describe the old testament born again saints as gates that make up Zion, the heavenly city prepared as the bride of Christ.

Apostles(12) with Judas left out for a certain purpose (same) are used to describe walls of the same city prepared as the one bride. Together gates and walls they represent a number no man could count. We walk by faith the unseen eternal not of the number . When David numbered thousands died because of his lack of faith .

A literal number has no value when it comes to gates and walls..

Revelation 21: 11-15 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

The golden measure. . the measure of faith, metaphorical or signified .Not the literal measure of men the witness of men. The golden witness of God is greater.