"It is finished." What is the "it?"
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[h=2]Re: "It is finished." What is the "it?"[/h]
I'd rather hear a donkey bray in a tin barn at night,than read all the flailing away at salvation this thread has produced.
"...............why has thou forsaken me"
"Oh,what this means is................." Just fill in anything that wildly comes to mind.
God was needing a vacation
God forgot he had an appointment.
He had to go to the bathroom
What the heck,lets just have fun with it and muddy it up into oblivion
I'd rather hear a donkey bray in a tin barn at night,than read all the flailing away at salvation this thread has produced.
"...............why has thou forsaken me"
"Oh,what this means is................." Just fill in anything that wildly comes to mind.
God was needing a vacation
God forgot he had an appointment.
He had to go to the bathroom
What the heck,lets just have fun with it and muddy it up into oblivion
Y
Amen, what is the true bread that if eaten gives eternal life?
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
K
Jesus said otherwise in Jn 5:24, 6:54, that we have it now.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
Once again you are only looking it from the English wording, and now how the Greek context is actually applied.
The translators and I do not care what translation version a person uses has wording issues, which is why we can not go by the words themselves.
Even the bible says that the Holy Spirit leads us through all truth, and by reading just the standard English the translators used you would think that way as the scriptures do look like they say that. However if you look in scripture and you have this one that says have eternal life, then you have many others from Paul that say hope of, or one must continue in the faith then you have a contradiction unless you search it out through the Spirit. When one does that they will find out it is assurance of having it, not actual physical. There is another scripture that refutes the actual physical possession of it right now to, and that is Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50 where he says flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Do we still walk in our bodies of flesh and blood? Yes we do there for the inheritance is given when we are transformed into are new spiritual eternal bodies.
Elin said:
popeye said:
Elin said:
Where do you find these Temple Passover regulations in Scripture?
You did not answer my question.
You did not answer my question.
you post it.
Oh,thats right,Jesus didn't care about the priesthood. nevrmind. Get back in that loop,ok?
You made up that whole false scenario.
I'd rather hear a donkey bray in a tin barn at night,than read all the flailing away at salvation this thread has produced.
"...............why has thou forsaken me"
"Oh,what this means is................." Just fill in anything that wildly comes to mind.
God was needing a vacation
God forgot he had an appointment.
He had to go to the bathroom
What the heck,lets just have fun with it and muddy it up into oblivion
Elin said:
Jesus said otherwise in Jn 5:24, 6:54, that we have it now.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
The translators and I do not care what translation version a person uses has wording issues, which is why we can not go by the words themselves.
Even the bible says that the Holy Spirit leads us through all truth, and by reading just the standard English the translators used you would think that way as the scriptures do look like they say that. However if you look in scripture and you have this one that says have eternal life, then you have many others from Paul that say hope of, or one must continue in the faith then you have a contradiction unless you search it out through the Spirit. When one does that they will find out it is assurance of having it, not actual physical. There is another scripture that refutes the actual physical possession of it right now to, and that is Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50 where he says flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Do we still walk in our bodies of flesh and blood? Yes we do there for the inheritance is given when we are transformed into are new spiritual eternal bodies.
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K
Nope. . . . . .
John 16:13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
1 Corinthians 2:10
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
Elin said:
Jesus said otherwise in Jn 5:24, 6:54, that
we have (present tense) eternal life now.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
we have (present tense) eternal life now.
Your notion of eternal life remains a human and unbiblical one.
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
1 Corinthians 2:10
For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
F
Faith is a trust in someone, an assurance that someone will do what they promise.
So your saying that I can be saved, yet never trust God to keep his promise?
wow, talk about confusion.
Gal 2: [SUP]16 [/SUP]knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Hmm.. Does not look like this is talking about Gods faith in himself. looks like it says our faith in Christ.
There is another scripture that refutes the actual physical possession of it right now to, and that is Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50 where he says flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Do we still walk in our bodies of flesh and blood? Yes we do there for the inheritance is given when we are transformed into are new spiritual eternal bodies.
But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[SUP][d][/SUP] because of righteousness. Rom 8:10
Your body of flesh hasn't been pardoned for Heaven, your spirit has.
F
lol. How can you still say that, when John 6 does not support your theory. Your as bad as the catholics saying that John 6 says we must literally eat the flesh and blood of jesus , by picking and chosing one small part of the whole conversation between Jesus and these people. and rejecting the rest of the conversation.
If John 6: 39 is all you have, you have very little to stand on.
As for the greek. Nothing in culture or language at the time those words were written would have allowed people to believe what your claiming, We do not read it from a religious point of view. we read it like they would have, and understand it like they would. There is no literature, or documents which would support such a view. Not to mention. the word cosmos when used in scripture is representative of satans kingdom. And all that is in it. We are told to go into that enemy territory and spread the gospel. to help God rescue people out of that kingdom. So scripture does not support your theory.
If John 6: 39 is all you have, you have very little to stand on.
As for the greek. Nothing in culture or language at the time those words were written would have allowed people to believe what your claiming, We do not read it from a religious point of view. we read it like they would have, and understand it like they would. There is no literature, or documents which would support such a view. Not to mention. the word cosmos when used in scripture is representative of satans kingdom. And all that is in it. We are told to go into that enemy territory and spread the gospel. to help God rescue people out of that kingdom. So scripture does not support your theory.