Re: Old Water Baptism Canard: Water Baptism Does Not Save.
Without even looking at it I know what you listed,. . .Yeah, just throw out baptism too, and repentance while you're at it. You have serious problems.
The Bible throws out water baptism by the incredible multitude of times that salvation is offered only for faith/believe. Water baptism cannot be essential to salvation.
It is rare when baptism is in the context of salvation. And when baptism is in that context, water is never mentioned. Holy Spirit baptism is salvific inasmuch as it puts us in the Body of Christ, the Church.
I do not throw out repentance, which means a change of mind.
You have to change from your ungodly state of mind, anything else in which you base your confidence, to trusting in the Lord Jesus as Savior.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.
"Without even look at it" --yeah, you challenge me to give you a verse; I plaster verses all over the place, & you don't look?
Look long & hard. Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
For the audience, I repost faith/belief from Romans, so you can see what this gentleman seems not to want to look at:
Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that
believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from
faith unto
faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by
faith.
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 even the righteousness of God through
faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that
believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 whom God set forth
to be a propitiation, through
faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;
26 for the showing,
I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath
faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of
faith.
28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by
faith apart from the works of the law.
29 Or is God
the God of Jews only? is he not
the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also:
30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by
faith, and the uncircumcision through
faith.
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God.
3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham
believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but
believes on him that justifieth the ungodly, his
faith is reckoned for righteousness.
6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works,
7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his
faith was reckoned for righteousness.
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision:
11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the
faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that
believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them;
12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that
faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision.
13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of
faith.
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs,
faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect:
15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression.
16 For this cause
it is of
faith, that
it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the
faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he
believed,
even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were.
18 Who in hope
believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And without being weakened in
faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb;
20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through
faith, giving glory to God,
21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by
faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by
faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of
faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at
that law. Wherefore? Because
they sought it not by
faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that
believes on him shall not be put to shame.
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that
believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of
faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of
faith, which we preach.
