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It still bothers me...sorry!..no I'm not!
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You win... I surrender
Also since we are discussing tithing there was a another thread about tithing I was in and I am going to give the same response as I did on there. Tithing is not simply giving money out of our pockets, it is given to the church and what the church does with that is their decision but for the one who is tithing it is more of a spiritual matter. Some ppl tithe because that's the norm because that's what pretty much everyone in churches do, and the amount given varies some give ten percent some give less than that others give more than ten percent but the thing is God is not concerned with the money he is concerned with the heart behind the giving.
There is an old church saying give till it hurts, but I say give until it gives you joy. what is the point of giving to God if our hearts are not in it? If we give till it hurts while that is admirable to give more than ten percent you aren't doing it for the right reasons. God treasures a joyful giving heart far more than a hurting giving one, tithing has it's place in the church but what is really to be focused on is the hearts who are giving.
There is an old church saying give till it hurts, but I say give until it gives you joy. what is the point of giving to God if our hearts are not in it? If we give till it hurts while that is admirable to give more than ten percent you aren't doing it for the right reasons. God treasures a joyful giving heart far more than a hurting giving one, tithing has it's place in the church but what is really to be focused on is the hearts who are giving.
Jeremiah 15: 17 and 20. I sat not in the assembly(church) of the mockers(of God's clear word) nor rejoiced. I sat alone(for decades) because of Thy Hand. For thou hast filled me with (righteous) anger.
And I will make you unto this people a fenced brazen wall. And they will fight against you. But they will not win against you. For I Am with you to rescue you and deliver you, says the Lord.
Good news is God so loved the world. So I deduce that God so loves the ekklesia though it is patterned after the world. Arrogance and avarice. The 2 pillars of an apostate 'church'. See Rome. The influence is there.
But I sure wouldn't stay there.
And I will make you unto this people a fenced brazen wall. And they will fight against you. But they will not win against you. For I Am with you to rescue you and deliver you, says the Lord.
Good news is God so loved the world. So I deduce that God so loves the ekklesia though it is patterned after the world. Arrogance and avarice. The 2 pillars of an apostate 'church'. See Rome. The influence is there.
But I sure wouldn't stay there.
An article I wrote back in July 2014...
Those who accuse non tither's of picking and choosing what they want to follow in the Bible, aren't you guilty of doing the same thing you are accusing them of?... picking out what you want to follow in the Bible?
Amos 3:3 asks the question, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”.
An interesting question indeed. A question today could be asked why so many who claim to be walking with God disagree with His Word? Are they truly walking with God?
God said in Leviticus 27:30-33 that His holy tithe is agricultural. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says the commanded tithe is money?
God said in Numbers 18:21,24,26,28 that He gave His tithe to the Levitic tribe of the children of Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says you are to tithe to people who are not of the Levitic tribe?
God said in Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & Deuteronomy 12:10-11 that one was not to start tithing until one crossed Jordan and entered Canaan. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that requires tithing on Gentile soil?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 that a second tithe was to be taken to a Jewish Feast and eaten by the tither before the LORD God. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says we must tithe to our Church and nowhere else?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that a third tithe was to be given every three years to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites and foreigners in Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the tithe must go to your Church?
God said in Nehemiah 10:37-38 that the firstfruits were to be taken to the Temple storehouse in Jerusalem, and the tithes were to be taken to the Levites. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says tithes are to go to pastors on Gentile soil?
God said in Psalm 147:19-20 that His statutes and judgments were given to Israel and Israel alone. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the Mosaic Law is to be obeyed by all people of every nation?
God’s Word tells us in Acts 21:23-25 that Gentile Believers are not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that demands Gentile Believers obey the Mosaic Law?
In the last chapter that tithing is mentioned in God’s Holy Word, (Hebrews 7:5-8 ) we are told that the commanded tithe is the same agricultural tithe commanded in the Pentateuch more than 1500 years earlier. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the commanded tithe is money?
Are you in agreement and walking with God? or have you rejected His decree and chosen your own path?
There is not one Scripture in the entire Bible where God amended His tithe command to extend to the New Testament Church. Nor is there an amendment in His Word to make the tithe a monetary tithe instead of an agricultural one.
If God didn’t amend the tithe in His Word, how can we, who are supposed to boldly proclaim and walk in the Truth as it is written in His Holy Word, say He requires tithes of money? There is absolutely no justification for such an action.
Proverbs 30:6 tells us we are not to add to God's Word. For that reason, we cannot change the tithe that He said was to be agricultural into a monetary tithe. we cannot, in good conscience, bring a tithe that was meant for Israel alone to observe to another geographical location.
You see, you cannot just focus on the fact that God commanded a tenth, and then totally ignore what that tenth was to consist of, where it was to be taken to, to whom it was to be given, and when it was to be given. You are picking and choosing that a tithe is required, yet dismissing all other aspects concerning God's holy tithe.
Get the beam out of your own eye before trying to remove the mote from someone else's eye.
Those who accuse non tither's of picking and choosing what they want to follow in the Bible, aren't you guilty of doing the same thing you are accusing them of?... picking out what you want to follow in the Bible?
Amos 3:3 asks the question, “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?”.
An interesting question indeed. A question today could be asked why so many who claim to be walking with God disagree with His Word? Are they truly walking with God?
God said in Leviticus 27:30-33 that His holy tithe is agricultural. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says the commanded tithe is money?
God said in Numbers 18:21,24,26,28 that He gave His tithe to the Levitic tribe of the children of Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god who says you are to tithe to people who are not of the Levitic tribe?
God said in Deuteronomy 6:1-3 & Deuteronomy 12:10-11 that one was not to start tithing until one crossed Jordan and entered Canaan. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that requires tithing on Gentile soil?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:22-27 that a second tithe was to be taken to a Jewish Feast and eaten by the tither before the LORD God. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says we must tithe to our Church and nowhere else?
God said in Deuteronomy 14:28-29 that a third tithe was to be given every three years to feed the widows, the orphans, the Levites and foreigners in Israel. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the tithe must go to your Church?
God said in Nehemiah 10:37-38 that the firstfruits were to be taken to the Temple storehouse in Jerusalem, and the tithes were to be taken to the Levites. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says tithes are to go to pastors on Gentile soil?
God said in Psalm 147:19-20 that His statutes and judgments were given to Israel and Israel alone. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the Mosaic Law is to be obeyed by all people of every nation?
God’s Word tells us in Acts 21:23-25 that Gentile Believers are not commanded to keep the Mosaic Law. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that demands Gentile Believers obey the Mosaic Law?
In the last chapter that tithing is mentioned in God’s Holy Word, (Hebrews 7:5-8 ) we are told that the commanded tithe is the same agricultural tithe commanded in the Pentateuch more than 1500 years earlier. Are you in agreement with God? Are you walking with Him? or are you following a god that says the commanded tithe is money?
Are you in agreement and walking with God? or have you rejected His decree and chosen your own path?
There is not one Scripture in the entire Bible where God amended His tithe command to extend to the New Testament Church. Nor is there an amendment in His Word to make the tithe a monetary tithe instead of an agricultural one.
If God didn’t amend the tithe in His Word, how can we, who are supposed to boldly proclaim and walk in the Truth as it is written in His Holy Word, say He requires tithes of money? There is absolutely no justification for such an action.
Proverbs 30:6 tells us we are not to add to God's Word. For that reason, we cannot change the tithe that He said was to be agricultural into a monetary tithe. we cannot, in good conscience, bring a tithe that was meant for Israel alone to observe to another geographical location.
You see, you cannot just focus on the fact that God commanded a tenth, and then totally ignore what that tenth was to consist of, where it was to be taken to, to whom it was to be given, and when it was to be given. You are picking and choosing that a tithe is required, yet dismissing all other aspects concerning God's holy tithe.
Get the beam out of your own eye before trying to remove the mote from someone else's eye.
Scriptural facts are really bothersome. 'But our pastor said..' 'But our pastor said...' 'But our pastor said...'
Now we're talking idolatry. Pastor Wonderful is so awesome. He can't be deceived at best, a liar at worse...can he?
No where in the NT will you gather up one shred of evidence that 'one man' is suppose to make up all the rules as he sees fit while all the dumb sheep sit with duct tape on their mouths.
But that's exactly what we've got. No one but the Holy Spirit came knocking at my door saying 'my people are being lied to. And they love it so' except for the poor. They lived in hell. Thanks church. How precious is that?
So I started studying the word of God like I'd never done before. I knew that something was off course but too lazy to do the research for years. Kinda like you guys. So I'm guilty too, believe me!
So God allowed the H... be beat outta me by 'pastors' and cast out of the sin-agog, or is that Magog?
Not for what I know today but because I was 'sold out' to Christ. That scares pastors witless, off the chart. And that, without me saying a word. A few of you radicals know what I'm saying. I was to busy 'honoring them' and their position, false as it was, but I didn't know any better at that time. That's idolatry. 'Let no man think to highly of himself'. When a man is lifted up, he's gonna think too highly of himself...unavoidable! Matt.23 Jesus said a title will, without fail, cause one to self exalt. Read it if you refuse to believe me.
So I remained a meek little slug. These guys were awesome. I mean called by God to be way above the rest of us unwashed masses.
So that's where I was for years till I finally got tired of being a rejected slug....and they made sure I knew it to. See: 'Which Pastor?' for a sampling of 'my world'.
I can hear Willie already saying 'well Yet, you shouldn't have idolized them'. We finally agree on something my kind, gentle, wonderful, teachable friend. Smile.
Now help us tell the rest of the church that. They do indeed idolize the self made kings.
Boy am I rambling or what?
Point being this. All the church leaders are dead wrong on this tithing thing. But because they hold so much sway over the dumb sheep by the deeds of the Nicolaitans: nico: to conquer. Laitan:laity: the sheep, few lowly sheep will actually stand up and exclaim 'the emperor has no clothes'!
Out of fear of being branded a maverick, a rebel, a rabble rouser, or being accused of being bitter, hateful, prideful, unforgiving, or a boo hoo baby, they do as one person told me to do on this site and that is to 'shut up'....so they cower down and keep the duct tape in place....over their mouth.
Until Diotrephes is brought down, the sheeple at the poverty level will continue to try and please their task master by making bricks without straw and diminish not the total tally!
Man building his tower of bricks toward heaven as opposed to Christ building His ekklesia with lively stones.
The slaves will keep bringing the tithes to the temple of the Pharisees until their forced to quit coming. And I have seen this first hand.
This just in: Bricks are man made. Stones are God made! Quit financing made made bricks for man made kingdoms!
Now we're talking idolatry. Pastor Wonderful is so awesome. He can't be deceived at best, a liar at worse...can he?
No where in the NT will you gather up one shred of evidence that 'one man' is suppose to make up all the rules as he sees fit while all the dumb sheep sit with duct tape on their mouths.
But that's exactly what we've got. No one but the Holy Spirit came knocking at my door saying 'my people are being lied to. And they love it so' except for the poor. They lived in hell. Thanks church. How precious is that?
So I started studying the word of God like I'd never done before. I knew that something was off course but too lazy to do the research for years. Kinda like you guys. So I'm guilty too, believe me!
So God allowed the H... be beat outta me by 'pastors' and cast out of the sin-agog, or is that Magog?
Not for what I know today but because I was 'sold out' to Christ. That scares pastors witless, off the chart. And that, without me saying a word. A few of you radicals know what I'm saying. I was to busy 'honoring them' and their position, false as it was, but I didn't know any better at that time. That's idolatry. 'Let no man think to highly of himself'. When a man is lifted up, he's gonna think too highly of himself...unavoidable! Matt.23 Jesus said a title will, without fail, cause one to self exalt. Read it if you refuse to believe me.
So I remained a meek little slug. These guys were awesome. I mean called by God to be way above the rest of us unwashed masses.
So that's where I was for years till I finally got tired of being a rejected slug....and they made sure I knew it to. See: 'Which Pastor?' for a sampling of 'my world'.
I can hear Willie already saying 'well Yet, you shouldn't have idolized them'. We finally agree on something my kind, gentle, wonderful, teachable friend. Smile.
Now help us tell the rest of the church that. They do indeed idolize the self made kings.
Boy am I rambling or what?
Point being this. All the church leaders are dead wrong on this tithing thing. But because they hold so much sway over the dumb sheep by the deeds of the Nicolaitans: nico: to conquer. Laitan:laity: the sheep, few lowly sheep will actually stand up and exclaim 'the emperor has no clothes'!
Out of fear of being branded a maverick, a rebel, a rabble rouser, or being accused of being bitter, hateful, prideful, unforgiving, or a boo hoo baby, they do as one person told me to do on this site and that is to 'shut up'....so they cower down and keep the duct tape in place....over their mouth.
Until Diotrephes is brought down, the sheeple at the poverty level will continue to try and please their task master by making bricks without straw and diminish not the total tally!
Man building his tower of bricks toward heaven as opposed to Christ building His ekklesia with lively stones.
The slaves will keep bringing the tithes to the temple of the Pharisees until their forced to quit coming. And I have seen this first hand.
This just in: Bricks are man made. Stones are God made! Quit financing made made bricks for man made kingdoms!
What evil have I spoken? What lie have I submitted. You charge me guilty without evidence. Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
I'm in good company. Paul was told to 'shut up' by all the ekklesia in Asia!
I share Paul's teachings. Now you advise others to shake me off along with dust! Fascinating indeed! But I'm not mad at you! Be free. Be blessed.
I do pray that the folks will face many more like me, so they can know the truth and be set free, as Naphtali. Smile.
I'm in good company. Paul was told to 'shut up' by all the ekklesia in Asia!
I share Paul's teachings. Now you advise others to shake me off along with dust! Fascinating indeed! But I'm not mad at you! Be free. Be blessed.
I do pray that the folks will face many more like me, so they can know the truth and be set free, as Naphtali. Smile.
yes you are saying the poor don't count if you believe what the church teaches on tithing.
Again, I've never walked into a den yet that didn't require all members to 'pay their tithes'. I've never heard a preacher,so called, use Malachi 3:10 'bring all the tithes into the storehouse...' Except for you widows and poor, you don't have to.'
Never happened. If you have then lucky you. That's a rarity, and not the norm.
Again, I've never walked into a den yet that didn't require all members to 'pay their tithes'. I've never heard a preacher,so called, use Malachi 3:10 'bring all the tithes into the storehouse...' Except for you widows and poor, you don't have to.'
Never happened. If you have then lucky you. That's a rarity, and not the norm.
If you are a lockstep tither then you will not be afraid to read the following. Dont worry, its short. Top Ignorant Statements About Tithing
But if you doubt just a tad about your stand on tithing, then you'll probably avoid reading it. Back to common sense. Try some on. Be free, be blessed.
But if you doubt just a tad about your stand on tithing, then you'll probably avoid reading it. Back to common sense. Try some on. Be free, be blessed.
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Yet, I haven't seen you say this? Maybe you have?
But the tithe was not giving or the offering. The tithe was the temple tax and believers and non-believers paid this tax or tithed. Tithing is equivalent to our IRS(about as corrupt as the temple was in its last days!).
Tithing went into the treasury, and ALL Israel paid tithes.........believers and unbelievers. And as mentioned it was always an agricultural payment.
To even say, "If you want to tithe in the church and do it correctly, you need an agricultural payment." is incorrect. Tithing had nothing to do with believers worshiping or glorifying God. It was Israels tax system for their type of Government.
The Offering was believers only and their heart giving and worshiping God.
And it wasn't 10%.......it was 20% the first year, 20% the second and 30% the third year and was cyclical in this way.
And sorry, I learned this from a gifted pastor-teacher!
But the tithe was not giving or the offering. The tithe was the temple tax and believers and non-believers paid this tax or tithed. Tithing is equivalent to our IRS(about as corrupt as the temple was in its last days!).
Tithing went into the treasury, and ALL Israel paid tithes.........believers and unbelievers. And as mentioned it was always an agricultural payment.
To even say, "If you want to tithe in the church and do it correctly, you need an agricultural payment." is incorrect. Tithing had nothing to do with believers worshiping or glorifying God. It was Israels tax system for their type of Government.
The Offering was believers only and their heart giving and worshiping God.
And it wasn't 10%.......it was 20% the first year, 20% the second and 30% the third year and was cyclical in this way.
And sorry, I learned this from a gifted pastor-teacher!
actually, the tithe was NOT the Temple Tax. The Temple Tax was only required of males who were age 20 and up whether they were rich or poor. The Temple Tax was a set amount; a half-shekel per year.
the tithe of the children of Israel did not go to the Temple. The tithe of the Levites did.
(Nehemiah 10:37-38)
the children of Israel took their tithes to the Levites in the farming communities in Canaan. This tithe was their inheritance, according toNumbers 18:21-28. The Levites, in turn, took a tithe of their inheritance to the Temple. Only Levites were required to tithe to the Temple.
the tithe of the children of Israel did not go to the Temple. The tithe of the Levites did.
(Nehemiah 10:37-38)
the children of Israel took their tithes to the Levites in the farming communities in Canaan. This tithe was their inheritance, according toNumbers 18:21-28. The Levites, in turn, took a tithe of their inheritance to the Temple. Only Levites were required to tithe to the Temple.
Your word 'strange' denotes 'rare.' That, however, is in no wise the case. What's truly rare is an assembly of saints that follow the NT dictates. I have known of one so far on a personal level. It's in my house. There are actually some Christian assemblies around that follow His word, but they are few and far between.