It still bothers me...sorry!..no I'm not!
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No, I am not lying about any of those churches I listed.
Read my post again, carefully. Not once in it did I say those churches will kick you out for not tithing. What I said is,
"All of the churches in the lst use Malachi 3:8-10 to manipulate their members giving."
The one church in the list did kick me out, and emailed me, informing me that I would only be allowed back once I repent of my stance on tithing. That'll never happen.
Read my post again, carefully. Not once in it did I say those churches will kick you out for not tithing. What I said is,
"All of the churches in the lst use Malachi 3:8-10 to manipulate their members giving."
The one church in the list did kick me out, and emailed me, informing me that I would only be allowed back once I repent of my stance on tithing. That'll never happen.
Grace people! IT'S ALL GOD's to begin with! Understand THAT point 1st! We are not under the law, but there is NOTHING wrong or sinful with tithing. There is also nothing wrong with the poor giving. I don't see Jesus here teaching that this poor woman should give nothing![h=1]Mark 12:41-44New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]The Widow’s Two Mites[/h]41 Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. 42 Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites,[a]which make a quadrans. 43 So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury;44 for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”
The ENTIRE key to giving has to do with your HEART, NOT the amount. If you are giving 90% of your wealth and earnings, but are not doing it out of love and a cheerful heart, you might as well be giving nothing! GOD DOESN'T NEED YOUR MONEY. It's ALL His anyway.
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The ENTIRE key to giving has to do with your HEART, NOT the amount. If you are giving 90% of your wealth and earnings, but are not doing it out of love and a cheerful heart, you might as well be giving nothing! GOD DOESN'T NEED YOUR MONEY. It's ALL His anyway.
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the text does not imply that she was giving out of her heart. Nor does it imply that Jesus was encouraging her actions.
the text shows that the widow gave out of her want, out of her lack. When Jesus said, "Beware of the scribes, ...who rob widows houses, He was showing that widows were not required to give, yet were being made to give. Much like the religious leaders in many assemblies today... they require the poor to support the church, when it should be the other way around.
the text shows that the widow gave out of her want, out of her lack. When Jesus said, "Beware of the scribes, ...who rob widows houses, He was showing that widows were not required to give, yet were being made to give. Much like the religious leaders in many assemblies today... they require the poor to support the church, when it should be the other way around.
The church has been so brain washed, as I was for years, to think Jesus was saying the widow that signed her SS check over to wolves was a great act of faith. It was a great act of ignorance taught to her by the wolves.
I see no difference today when the pastor cashes all those widows checks at the bank on Monday morning then off to the golf course.His momma must be proud of her Reverend son. Wolves! I didn't say it. Jesus did! I'm simply quoting the word of God here and that's what's getting me into trouble with most.
By the way, did you know that the reformers down through the ages were not received real well! Who would have seen that one coming!
I see no difference today when the pastor cashes all those widows checks at the bank on Monday morning then off to the golf course.His momma must be proud of her Reverend son. Wolves! I didn't say it. Jesus did! I'm simply quoting the word of God here and that's what's getting me into trouble with most.
By the way, did you know that the reformers down through the ages were not received real well! Who would have seen that one coming!
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May I ask what this has to do with today's preachers.... Scribes?? A Christian Church today is established just so this can't happen.
"Beware of the scribes (v. 38); (v. 38); stand upon your guard, that you neither imbibe their peculiar opinions, nor the opinions of the people concerning them.’’ The charge is long as drawn up against them in the parallel place (Mt. 23, ); it is here contracted.1. They affect to appear very great; for they go in long clothing, with vestures down to their feet, and in those they walk about the streets, as princes, or judges, or gentlemen of the long robe. Their going in such clothing was not sinful, but their loving to go in it, priding themselves in it, valuing themselves on it, commanding respect by it, saying to their long clothes, as Saul to Samuel, Honour me now before this people, this was a product of pride. Christ would have his disciples go with their loins girt. 2. They affect to appear very good; for they pray, they make long prayers, as if they were very intimate with heaven, and had a deal of business there. They took care it should be known that they prayed, that they prayed long, which, some think, intimates that they prayed not for themselves only, but for others, and therein were very particular and very large; this they did for a pretence, that they might seem to love prayer, not only for God’s sake, whom hereby they pretended to glorify, but for their neighbour’s sake, whom hereby they pretended to be serviceable to.3. They here aimed to advance themselves: they coveted applause, and were fond of it; they loved salutations in the marketplaces, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts; these pleased a vain fancy; to have these given them, they thought, expressed the value they had for them, who did know them, and gained them respect for those who did not.4. They herein aimed to enrich themselves. They devoured widows’ houses, made themselves masters of their estates by some trick or other; it was to screen themselves from the suspicion of dishonesty, that they put on the mask of piety; and that they might not be thought as bad as the worst, they were studious to seem as good as the best. Let fraud and oppression be thought the worse of for their having profaned and disgraced long prayers; but let not prayers, no nor long prayers, be thought the worse of, if made in humility and sincerity, for their having been by some thus abused. But as iniquity, thus disguised with a show of piety, is double iniquity, so its doom will be doubly heavy; These shall receive great damnation; greater than those that live without prayer, greater than they would have received for the wrong done to the poor widows, if it had not been thus disguised. Note, The damnation of hypocrites will be of all others the greatest damnation.
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You are fine with it. Not hurting. You r missing the bulk of this thread. How blind can you be my friend? The poor are getting hit. I've been through it. Are all you guys zombies or what? I don't want to be mean spirited here but a couple of us are constantly using scripture concerning the poor and you guys can't seem to come out of la la land long enough for the scales to fall from your eyes. The bible talks about strong holds. This is it baby. I know I'm on the right track here with His heart and truth, for the resistance is unconscionable, off the radar screen.
The Sardis church. Wow! Laodecian leftovers. And we have the written word. I guess without the Spirit the word is a dead letter.
Im scared for you. All of you. This is the simplest of biblical issues and you're not able to grasp it.
Paul asked the Galatians 'who has bewitched you?' Bewitch: Greek: baskaino: put a spell over.
The Sardis church. Wow! Laodecian leftovers. And we have the written word. I guess without the Spirit the word is a dead letter.
Im scared for you. All of you. This is the simplest of biblical issues and you're not able to grasp it.
Paul asked the Galatians 'who has bewitched you?' Bewitch: Greek: baskaino: put a spell over.
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In Exodus, God says He will kill those who afflict the widows and orphans. Interesting, the widow of Mark 12 & Luke 21 was being afflicted and by the religious system at that!
But, as you pointed out, immediately after that Jesus prophesied of the invasion of Jesusalem and destroying of the Temple in AD 70.
The Temple was destroyed in AD 70, and Josephus records how religious leaders in the Temple were killed in the Temple. Takes one's mind right back to God's promise in Exodus.
But, as you pointed out, immediately after that Jesus prophesied of the invasion of Jesusalem and destroying of the Temple in AD 70.
The Temple was destroyed in AD 70, and Josephus records how religious leaders in the Temple were killed in the Temple. Takes one's mind right back to God's promise in Exodus.
I am not a Calvinist, but I do like what John MacArthur said about Luke 21:1-4...
“How would you feel…if you saw a destitute widow who only had two coins left to buy her food for her next meal give those two coins to a religious system…? You would say, ‘Something is wrong with that system when that system takes the last two coins out of a widow's hand.’ That's what you would say and you would be right to say that….how would you feel if you saw a destitute, impoverished person give to her religion her last hope for life to go home perhaps and die? You'd be sick. You'd feel terrible. You would be repulsed. Any religion that is built on the back of the poor is a false religion. What a sad, misguided, woeful, poor victimized lady. It's tragic, painful. And I think that's exactly how Jesus saw it.”
“How would you feel…if you saw a destitute widow who only had two coins left to buy her food for her next meal give those two coins to a religious system…? You would say, ‘Something is wrong with that system when that system takes the last two coins out of a widow's hand.’ That's what you would say and you would be right to say that….how would you feel if you saw a destitute, impoverished person give to her religion her last hope for life to go home perhaps and die? You'd be sick. You'd feel terrible. You would be repulsed. Any religion that is built on the back of the poor is a false religion. What a sad, misguided, woeful, poor victimized lady. It's tragic, painful. And I think that's exactly how Jesus saw it.”
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Agreed. "for the kingdom of Gods sake" is the key. "for the kingdom of mans sake" is what I am talking about.
New American Standard Bible
But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
And Luke 18 is not talking about the husband walking out on his wife and children for the sake of Gods kingdom. Or Kids walking out on their parents for the sake of Gods kingdom.
Those verses are people getting their priorities straight. If we put God first and do not "worship" our spouses,family,friends,kids or put them first in our lives. We will have a right relationship with our loves ones.
New American Standard Bible
But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
And Luke 18 is not talking about the husband walking out on his wife and children for the sake of Gods kingdom. Or Kids walking out on their parents for the sake of Gods kingdom.
Those verses are people getting their priorities straight. If we put God first and do not "worship" our spouses,family,friends,kids or put them first in our lives. We will have a right relationship with our loves ones.