Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

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Heres just one of many revealed by Paul .
25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

This is not what Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached. HE preached:
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

HE also transfigured alive.

I ask you now, what of Enoch and Elijah, who transfigured in life alive, meaning they put off mortality and put on the immortal celestial body in life alive. Did they have Christ in them?
 

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So All the books after Acts is just blowing smoke ?
 

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This is not what Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached. HE preached:
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

HE also transfigured alive.

I ask you now, what of Enoch and Elijah, who transfigured in life alive, meaning they put off mortality and put on the immortal celestial body in life alive. Did they have Christ in them?
You bible must be very thin .
 
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You bible must be very thin .
Can you answer that though? Saul Paul said christ in me, hope of glory. Enoch and Elijah put on the body that is the glorified state in life without dying at all, before the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus His Pre-Eminence. How is that possible if they needed to have Christ in them?
 

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This is not what Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached. HE preached:
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

HE also transfigured alive.

I ask you now, what of Enoch and Elijah, who transfigured in life alive, meaning they put off mortality and put on the immortal celestial body in life alive. Did they have Christ in them?
This is negative inference fallacy. Jesus is quoting an old testament verse in Matt 4 . He's not saying literally to not believe other scriptures unless its what he personally spoke .
 

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Can you answer that though? Saul Paul said christ in me, hope of glory. Enoch and Elijah put on the body that is the glorified state in life without dying at all, before the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus His Pre-Eminence. How is that possible if they needed to have Christ in them?
No one was ' in him ' , or regenerated , or sealed and indwelt , born again , immersed into ' the body ' , predestinated to the adoption , sealed unto glorification ect in the Old testament. If you ignore Paul you won't understand what revelation Jesus gave to him .
 
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Gal 1v11,12: "But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Gal 2v1-10: "Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. But from those who seemed to be something — whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man — for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do."

1Cor 1v23,24: "but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."

Rom 1v16: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Out of curiosity, are you correcting him, or supporting him with your reply, especially with the way you bold some of the words in Galatians 2?
 
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No one was ' in him ' , or regenerated , or sealed and indwelt , born again , immersed into ' the body ' , predestinated to the adoption , sealed unto glorification ect in the Old testament. If you ignore Paul you won't understand what revelation Jesus gave to him .
Then how did they Enoch and Elijah conform to the image of the Son of GOD? How did they gain the testimony that they were immortalised in life alive without dying at all. Then where have they been. We know Moses and Elijah were on the mountain of olives transfigured in their celestial immortal bodies. Where have they been since then?

Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

Except ye are born of water ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD.
Except ye are born of the water and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I ask you, where have Moses and Elijah been all this time in their perfect state? Where has Enoch been?

With this FACT, how were they NOT born again according to the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

saul paul had the audacity to claim its a mystery hidden in ages, but yet they transfigured without having Christ in them.

He also had the audacity to claim that every man must die. Yet Enoch and Elijah have not died, and cannot die now that they are in their immortal state.

The fact is, saul paul took the scrolls and his writings are his own interpretations of what was written in the scrolls, that is why he reminds timothy to make sure he brings them back - referring to the parchments. The Man had the audacity to challenge the Angel of the church, Apostle Peter about Cricumscision, and also deconstruct the gospel of circumscision that Abraham preached. Was it that GOD told Abraham the wrong thing? no, rather he revealed in that moment that he was uncircumcised.

saul Paul presecuted the church, sponsored the death of steven, and then hijacked the church, stole the scrolls, and preached a counterfeit christ. That is why his interpretations are not in agreement with the LAW, the WORD or the Prophets.

He had to make the people trust him again, so he changed his identity from saul to paul, and he claimed that he was born again, a new creature in Christ, so that the people would listen to him. After all, he was most zealous in persecuting the church and they were afraid of him.

The Apostles did not do well in this matter. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence told Apostle Peter this would happen in this verse.

Apostle Peter being the Angel of the church was also personified as the church when Jesus His Pre-Eminence addressed him. Such as when HE said Peter would deny HIM thrice, pointing to the denials of the church:

1. Paganism
2. Papalism
3. False Protestantism.

And this is the falling away written of in the original scrolls that saul paul preached about. The cock crowed at the dawn of a new day to show these denials took place in the night time of apostasy.

This is also why HE asked him three times: Lovest thou me? Then feed my sheep.

In this verse, Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that the church would be hijacked, but they (the people who put the bible together) did not want it to be obvious, so they claimed Jesus His Pre-Eminence foretold how Apostle Peter would die, exposing themselves that they did not know HE was referring to the church. For Apostle Peter was crucified upside down - that is how he died. Why? Because he turned the word upside down.

John 21
18Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

Look at this... Someone else shall gird thee and carry thee whither you wouldest not - showing what would happen to the church.

That is what saul paul did.

So, his teachings are his own interpretations of the original scrolls that he stole, and called them his own. Therefore, there are some things he preached which are on point, but the mindset that his teachings has given the church has left her in her infancy state. To the point that they do not even know that you can live and not die at all, as Enoch and Elijah did.

The term "christ in me, hope of glory is actually, Revelations in me, the hope of transfiguration. Revelations dispensed by the Prophets, by the Angels of the churches that they received directly from the GOD is the very substance that we must eat to put off this mortality, and put on immortality in life alive. When GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die.

About the only thing that saul paul wrote as it was written without his spin on it, is found in 1 cor 15:50-56. As you can see, he called it a mystery, revealing he did not know it in details.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Further proof:

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

But did he also not say:
It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement?

How are these two in agreement?


I am sure after this you will not want to continue this conversation further, and that is fine.

Thank you for the conversation.
 

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Then how did they Enoch and Elijah conform to the image of the Son of GOD? How did they gain the testimony that they were immortalised in life alive without dying at all. Then where have they been. We know Moses and Elijah were on the mountain of olives transfigured in their celestial immortal bodies. Where have they been since then?

Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

Except ye are born of water ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD.
Except ye are born of the water and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I ask you, where have Moses and Elijah been all this time in their perfect state? Where has Enoch been?

With this FACT, how were they NOT born again according to the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

saul paul had the audacity to claim its a mystery hidden in ages, but yet they transfigured without having Christ in them.

He also had the audacity to claim that every man must die. Yet Enoch and Elijah have not died, and cannot die now that they are in their immortal state.

The fact is, saul paul took the scrolls and his writings are his own interpretations of what was written in the scrolls, that is why he reminds timothy to make sure he brings them back - referring to the parchments. The Man had the audacity to challenge the Angel of the church, Apostle Peter about Cricumscision, and also deconstruct the gospel of circumscision that Abraham preached. Was it that GOD told Abraham the wrong thing? no, rather he revealed in that moment that he was uncircumcised.

saul Paul presecuted the church, sponsored the death of steven, and then hijacked the church, stole the scrolls, and preached a counterfeit christ. That is why his interpretations are not in agreement with the LAW, the WORD or the Prophets.

He had to make the people trust him again, so he changed his identity from saul to paul, and he claimed that he was born again, a new creature in Christ, so that the people would listen to him. After all, he was most zealous in persecuting the church and they were afraid of him.

The Apostles did not do well in this matter. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence told Apostle Peter this would happen in this verse.

Apostle Peter being the Angel of the church was also personified as the church when Jesus His Pre-Eminence addressed him. Such as when HE said Peter would deny HIM thrice, pointing to the denials of the church:

1. Paganism
2. Papalism
3. False Protestantism.

And this is the falling away written of in the original scrolls that saul paul preached about. The cock crowed at the dawn of a new day to show these denials took place in the night time of apostasy.

This is also why HE asked him three times: Lovest thou me? Then feed my sheep.

In this verse, Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that the church would be hijacked, but they (the people who put the bible together) did not want it to be obvious, so they claimed Jesus His Pre-Eminence foretold how Apostle Peter would die, exposing themselves that they did not know HE was referring to the church. For Apostle Peter was crucified upside down - that is how he died. Why? Because he turned the word upside down.

John 21
18Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

Look at this... Someone else shall gird thee and carry thee whither you wouldest not - showing what would happen to the church.

That is what saul paul did.

So, his teachings are his own interpretations of the original scrolls that he stole, and called them his own. Therefore, there are some things he preached which are on point, but the mindset that his teachings has given the church has left her in her infancy state. To the point that they do not even know that you can live and not die at all, as Enoch and Elijah did.

The term "christ in me, hope of glory is actually, Revelations in me, the hope of transfiguration. Revelations dispensed by the Prophets, by the Angels of the churches that they received directly from the GOD is the very substance that we must eat to put off this mortality, and put on immortality in life alive. When GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die.

About the only thing that saul paul wrote as it was written without his spin on it, is found in 1 cor 15:50-56. As you can see, he called it a mystery, revealing he did not know it in details.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Further proof:

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

But did he also not say:
It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement?

How are these two in agreement?


I am sure after this you will not want to continue this conversation further, and that is fine.

Thank you for the conversation.
Firstly where did you get this idea from?
///conform to the image of the Son of GOD?// This sounds like a verse from Paul ?
 
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Firstly where did you get this idea from?
///conform to the image of the Son of GOD?// This sounds like a verse from Paul ?
Yes it is. It is in his writings. Which Enoch and Elijah, and Even Moses had already done when they transfigured.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 

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Then how did they Enoch and Elijah conform to the image of the Son of GOD? How did they gain the testimony that they were immortalised in life alive without dying at all. Then where have they been. We know Moses and Elijah were on the mountain of olives transfigured in their celestial immortal bodies. Where have they been since then?

Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

Except ye are born of water ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD.
Except ye are born of the water and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I ask you, where have Moses and Elijah been all this time in their perfect state? Where has Enoch been?

With this FACT, how were they NOT born again according to the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

saul paul had the audacity to claim its a mystery hidden in ages, but yet they transfigured without having Christ in them.

He also had the audacity to claim that every man must die. Yet Enoch and Elijah have not died, and cannot die now that they are in their immortal state.

The fact is, saul paul took the scrolls and his writings are his own interpretations of what was written in the scrolls, that is why he reminds timothy to make sure he brings them back - referring to the parchments. The Man had the audacity to challenge the Angel of the church, Apostle Peter about Cricumscision, and also deconstruct the gospel of circumscision that Abraham preached. Was it that GOD told Abraham the wrong thing? no, rather he revealed in that moment that he was uncircumcised.

saul Paul presecuted the church, sponsored the death of steven, and then hijacked the church, stole the scrolls, and preached a counterfeit christ. That is why his interpretations are not in agreement with the LAW, the WORD or the Prophets.

He had to make the people trust him again, so he changed his identity from saul to paul, and he claimed that he was born again, a new creature in Christ, so that the people would listen to him. After all, he was most zealous in persecuting the church and they were afraid of him.

The Apostles did not do well in this matter. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence told Apostle Peter this would happen in this verse.

Apostle Peter being the Angel of the church was also personified as the church when Jesus His Pre-Eminence addressed him. Such as when HE said Peter would deny HIM thrice, pointing to the denials of the church:

1. Paganism
2. Papalism
3. False Protestantism.

And this is the falling away written of in the original scrolls that saul paul preached about. The cock crowed at the dawn of a new day to show these denials took place in the night time of apostasy.

This is also why HE asked him three times: Lovest thou me? Then feed my sheep.

In this verse, Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that the church would be hijacked, but they (the people who put the bible together) did not want it to be obvious, so they claimed Jesus His Pre-Eminence foretold how Apostle Peter would die, exposing themselves that they did not know HE was referring to the church. For Apostle Peter was crucified upside down - that is how he died. Why? Because he turned the word upside down.

John 21
18Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

Look at this... Someone else shall gird thee and carry thee whither you wouldest not - showing what would happen to the church.

That is what saul paul did.

So, his teachings are his own interpretations of the original scrolls that he stole, and called them his own. Therefore, there are some things he preached which are on point, but the mindset that his teachings has given the church has left her in her infancy state. To the point that they do not even know that you can live and not die at all, as Enoch and Elijah did.

The term "christ in me, hope of glory is actually, Revelations in me, the hope of transfiguration. Revelations dispensed by the Prophets, by the Angels of the churches that they received directly from the GOD is the very substance that we must eat to put off this mortality, and put on immortality in life alive. When GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die.

About the only thing that saul paul wrote as it was written without his spin on it, is found in 1 cor 15:50-56. As you can see, he called it a mystery, revealing he did not know it in details.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Further proof:

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

But did he also not say:
It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement?

How are these two in agreement?


I am sure after this you will not want to continue this conversation further, and that is fine.

Thank you for the conversation.
Why do you believe in the transfiguration account ?
 

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Yes it is. It is in his writings. Which Enoch and Elijah, and Even Moses had already done when they transfigured.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I thought you only believed what came from Gods mouth ? Thats Paul's words ?
 
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I thought you only believed what came from Gods mouth ? Thats Paul's words ?

There is evidence to support it. Enoch and Elijah both transfigured in life and did not die at all. That was documented as well. Not to mention Jesus His Pre-Eminence also transfigured. Secondly, as i explained these are not his words, these are from the scrolls he stole.
 

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There is evidence to support it. Enoch and Elijah both transfigured in life and did not die at all. That was documented as well. Not to mention Jesus His Pre-Eminence also transfigured. Secondly, as i explained these are not his words, these are from the scrolls he stole.
Which verse says they were transfigured?
 

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Then how did they Enoch and Elijah conform to the image of the Son of GOD? How did they gain the testimony that they were immortalised in life alive without dying at all. Then where have they been. We know Moses and Elijah were on the mountain of olives transfigured in their celestial immortal bodies. Where have they been since then?

Jesus His Pre-Eminence said:

Except ye are born of water ye cannot see the kingdom of GOD.
Except ye are born of the water and of the Spirit, ye cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I ask you, where have Moses and Elijah been all this time in their perfect state? Where has Enoch been?

With this FACT, how were they NOT born again according to the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

saul paul had the audacity to claim its a mystery hidden in ages, but yet they transfigured without having Christ in them.

He also had the audacity to claim that every man must die. Yet Enoch and Elijah have not died, and cannot die now that they are in their immortal state.

The fact is, saul paul took the scrolls and his writings are his own interpretations of what was written in the scrolls, that is why he reminds timothy to make sure he brings them back - referring to the parchments. The Man had the audacity to challenge the Angel of the church, Apostle Peter about Cricumscision, and also deconstruct the gospel of circumscision that Abraham preached. Was it that GOD told Abraham the wrong thing? no, rather he revealed in that moment that he was uncircumcised.

saul Paul presecuted the church, sponsored the death of steven, and then hijacked the church, stole the scrolls, and preached a counterfeit christ. That is why his interpretations are not in agreement with the LAW, the WORD or the Prophets.

He had to make the people trust him again, so he changed his identity from saul to paul, and he claimed that he was born again, a new creature in Christ, so that the people would listen to him. After all, he was most zealous in persecuting the church and they were afraid of him.

The Apostles did not do well in this matter. And Jesus His Pre-Eminence told Apostle Peter this would happen in this verse.

Apostle Peter being the Angel of the church was also personified as the church when Jesus His Pre-Eminence addressed him. Such as when HE said Peter would deny HIM thrice, pointing to the denials of the church:

1. Paganism
2. Papalism
3. False Protestantism.

And this is the falling away written of in the original scrolls that saul paul preached about. The cock crowed at the dawn of a new day to show these denials took place in the night time of apostasy.

This is also why HE asked him three times: Lovest thou me? Then feed my sheep.

In this verse, Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that the church would be hijacked, but they (the people who put the bible together) did not want it to be obvious, so they claimed Jesus His Pre-Eminence foretold how Apostle Peter would die, exposing themselves that they did not know HE was referring to the church. For Apostle Peter was crucified upside down - that is how he died. Why? Because he turned the word upside down.

John 21
18Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.

Look at this... Someone else shall gird thee and carry thee whither you wouldest not - showing what would happen to the church.

That is what saul paul did.

So, his teachings are his own interpretations of the original scrolls that he stole, and called them his own. Therefore, there are some things he preached which are on point, but the mindset that his teachings has given the church has left her in her infancy state. To the point that they do not even know that you can live and not die at all, as Enoch and Elijah did.

The term "christ in me, hope of glory is actually, Revelations in me, the hope of transfiguration. Revelations dispensed by the Prophets, by the Angels of the churches that they received directly from the GOD is the very substance that we must eat to put off this mortality, and put on immortality in life alive. When GOD feeds you, you cannot age, fall sick or die.

About the only thing that saul paul wrote as it was written without his spin on it, is found in 1 cor 15:50-56. As you can see, he called it a mystery, revealing he did not know it in details.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Further proof:

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

But did he also not say:
It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement?

How are these two in agreement?


I am sure after this you will not want to continue this conversation further, and that is fine.

Thank you for the conversation.
Could you deal with one point at a time, with scripture please ?
 

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John the beloved in Revelation where he saw Jesus His Pre-Eminence in the island of patmos.
I have a verse , do you ?
Matt 16
1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Question : Who was transfigured ?
 
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Which verse says they were transfigured?
Mark 9


2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
I have a verse , do you ?
Matt 16
1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Question : Who was transfigured ?
Jesus His Pre-Eminence, Moses and Elijah. That is why Apostle Peter wanted to make three tabernacles one for each.