Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

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throughfaith

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If i didn't, why would i say Jesus His Pre-Eminence is GOD?
Just sounds strange every time you say it . I haven't come across this emphasis..well its mentioned in Colossians 1 of course . Mostly the biblical terms are ' messiah ' , Christ Jesus ' , Jesus, ' ect
 

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This is the misunderstanding. The reason why there are 7 angels of the 7 churches written of in Revelation 1-3 was to show that the church has been since the fall of Man. The first church, led by Enoch, the second church, led by Noah, the 3rd church, led by Abraham, the 4th church, led by Moses, the 5th church, led by Joshua, the 6th church, led by Apostle Peter, and the 7th Church is led by the Son of Man.

It is the Angels of the Churches only that were given the keys to the kingdom in their time, the Son of man is speaking of the Prophesied Son of Man to return, the restorer of all things, the 7th Angel of the 7th Church age, it is them only that have the authority, to lead the church to GOD. There are no other.

So my GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation, addressed the church as a whole, from the first to the Seventh.
/// So my GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation,/// Just trying to understand why you keep saying this?
 
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Just sounds strange every time you say it . I haven't come across this emphasis..well its mentioned in Colossians 1 of course . Mostly the biblical terms are ' messiah ' , Christ Jesus ' , Jesus, ' ect
Is it not written, that Jesus His Pre-Eminence, has Pre-Eminence in all things?
The reason i attribute that title to HIM is because I am talking about the GOD.

The Roman catholics went so far as to call the Pope, His holiness. Where is the hallowing of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?
This is why i call HIM Jesus His Pre-Eminence.
 
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/// So my GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation,/// Just trying to understand why you keep saying this?
Jesus His Pre-Eminence, is the GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation. Meaning, the GOD incarnate, made manifest.
 
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We are told to seek GOD.
Do you believe that GOD can repent?

It is written that GOD repented than HE made man. The same GOD that cannot mistakes. The same GOD that knows the end from the beginning said it was very good at the time HE had coupled their bodies. Yet, it is written that HE repented.

in another place, it is written that GOD is not a man that HE should lie, nor the Son of Man that HE should repent.

A blatant contradiction. Ironically, both were attributed to Moses.

However, Jesus His Pre-Eminence said lucifer is a liar and a murderer from the beginning, moses made out man is the model for lying. Jesus His Pre-Eminence said no, lucifer is the model for lying.

The point is, that when you understand that the sent ones who heard from GOD directly, are the ones also responsible for teaching the people what they were taught, and some did not do so well in that regard. Then you can see how important it is to know who the GOD is, and how HE operates.

i know that my GOD never repented that HE made man. For my GOD cannot make mistakes. My GOD is all knowing. Therefore, anything that calls these into question, is not explained well, or is not true at all.
We are discussing whether casting lots was a legitimate method in finding out God's will among Israelites.
 

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Is it not written, that Jesus His Pre-Eminence, has Pre-Eminence in all things?
The reason i attribute that title to HIM is because I am talking about the GOD.

The Roman catholics went so far as to call the Pope, His holiness. Where is the hallowing of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?
This is why i call HIM Jesus His Pre-Eminence.
Yeah it just sounds strange. Only because we don't see this used this way . Could you give an example where in the bible someone addresses Jesus this way? Or speaks this way ? Of course if that's your personal way .
 
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We are discussing whether casting lots was a legitimate method in finding out God's will among Israelites.
It isn't. The GOD does not operate that way.

The way to find out GOD's will, was for Moses, or Joshua to have Fellowship with the GOD and hear from HIM directly. If GOD does not answer an angel of the church, it is because it is not HIS WILL.

So casting lots, only serves to highlight the lack of knowledge of the GOD, and the infant state of their mindset.
 
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Yeah it just sounds strange. Only because we don't see this used this way . Could you give an example where in the bible someone addresses Jesus this way? Or speaks this way ? Of course if that's your personal way .
It is my personal way. I also refer to HIM as the Supreme LORD because there is no LORD above HIM. It is how I hallow HIS name.
I feel that just saying "jesus" when people have even named their children Jesus in this earth, is not showing enough respect to my GOD whom I worship.
 

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Jesus His Pre-Eminence, is the GOD in HIS incarnate Manifestation. Meaning, the GOD incarnate, made manifest.
So basically your saying

Col 1
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

John 1

1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
 
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So basically your saying

Col 1
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

John 1

1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
I am saying that HE has no beginning and no end. I am saying HE is the GOD of Creation.
 

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Just as John the Baptist was the last Old Testament prophet, so the practices wre viable until Pentacosst, after Mattias was chosen according to the way of the people of Israel.

The lots were cast and Yahweh showed His will by means of the outcome. It is certain that He alread chose the outcome, ergo God chose Mattias according to the writings.

“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD” (Proverbs 16:33).
 
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Just as John the Baptist was the last Old Testament prophet, so the practices wre viable until Pentacosst, after Mattias was chosen according to the way of the people of Israel.

The lots were cast and Yahweh showed His will by means of the outcome. It is certain that He alread chose the outcome, ergo God chose Mattias according to the writings.
Nope, not at all. Where does it prove that GOD picked the outcome? Secondly, when they chose matthias, they chose to be martyrs.
 
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It isn't. The GOD does not operate that way.

The way to find out GOD's will, was for Moses, or Joshua to have Fellowship with the GOD and hear from HIM directly. If GOD does not answer an angel of the church, it is because it is not HIS WILL.

So casting lots, only serves to highlight the lack of knowledge of the GOD, and the infant state of their mindset.
So I have provided you various scriptural examples in the OT where lots were cast among Israelites.

You still want to continue to hold on to your doctrine, so that is why I said, people rarely let scripture get in the way of the doctrine that they want to hold.
 
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So I have provided you various scriptural examples in the OT where lots were cast among Israelites.

You still want to continue to hold on to your doctrine, so that is why I said, people rarely let scripture get in the way of the doctrine that they want to hold.

Again, this is not a doctrine, this the character of the Most Holy GOD who is omniscient! The GOD who is all knowing! I cannot believe that anyone would believe that GOD commands gambling.... WOW. Yes, i am done with this conversation.
 

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There is only one Gospel.. Paul and Jesus both preached it..
Gal 1v11,12: "But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Gal 2v1-10: "Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. But from those who seemed to be something — whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man — for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do."

1Cor 1v23,24: "but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."

Rom 1v16: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
 

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Which mysteries do you refer to?
Heres just one of many revealed by Paul .
25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: