Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

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Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
You're not Jesus and please stop preaching the Law of Moses that you don't obey. Do you even know what the Law says? I don't think you do.
 

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You're not Jesus and please stop preaching the Law of Moses that you don't obey. Do you even know what the Law says? I don't think you do.
Inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law (of Moses) is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

The spirit of the law; not the letter (Romans 7:6).

Jhn 8:43, Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 

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I suggest you find yourself a greek scholar
I suggest you find yourself a sound translation, since those are all perversions of the truth. To call the Lord's Day "the day of the LORD" is an abomination and there are only three abominations in all the translations listed below. So it is clear that you would rather pervert Scripture than believe what is true.

New International Version
On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

New Living Translation
It was the Lord's Day, and I was worshiping in the Spirit. Suddenly, I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet blast.

English Standard Version
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

Berean Study Bible
On the Lord’s day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

New American Standard Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,

King James Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard a loud voice behind me like a trumpet

International Standard Version THE FIRST ABOMINATION
I came to be in the Spirit on the Day of the Lord, when I heard a loud voice behind me like a trumpet,

NET Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day when I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And I was in The Spirit on the first day of the week, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I came under the Spirit's power on the Lord's day. I heard a loud voice behind me like a trumpet,

Jubilee Bible 2000 THE SECOND ABOMINATION
I was in the Spirit in the day of the Lord and heard behind me a great voice as of a trumpet,

King James 2000 Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

American King James Version
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

American Standard Version
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Douay-Rheims Bible
I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Darby Bible Translation
I became in [the] Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice as of a trumpet,

English Revised Version
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Webster's Bible Translation
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Weymouth New Testament THE THIRD ABOMINATION
In the Spirit I found myself present on the day of the Lord, and I heard behind me a loud voice which resembled the blast of a trumpet.

World English Bible
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet

Young's Literal Translation
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,
 
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From the dictionary---
  • In the Greek there are two ways of expressing this (as in modern languages); either by saying literally, as in Hebrew, "the day of the Lord" (using the two nouns); or by using the adjective "Lord's" instead. It comes to exactly the same thing as to signification; the difference lies only in the emphasis.
 
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@Nehemiah6

What it means to be adjective is they modified the nouns to get their desired understanding in which in this case to mean 1st day of the week. But original literally it is Day of the lord.

Believe I would never pervert the word of God. Been at this a long time and this is something we have discussed.
 
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God didn't bless a religious tradition of resting on saturdays. He blessed the 7th day. Not the 14th,21st,28th,35th,42nd...etc
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Genesis says the day was "sanctified" -- sanctification of a thing always involves an ON GOING CONDITION of the thing, such as a sanctified heart of the Christian or a Nazarite vow. The idea that God blessed and sanctified only the first 7th day but not any 7th day thereafter is inconsistent and nonsensical.
Hebrews 4:1-3
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
You aren't resting if you are still working at what the Law says in your own understanding and strength.
If you would keep reading further down, Paul says if we're resting inwardly in Jesus, we'll demonstrate that rest by resting outwardly from routine daily work "as God did from His". I pass up thousands in OT refusing to work on Sabbath because I want to show the lost who may be working and struggling to save their own life that the only way to find it is to trust and obey "for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey".
Its kind of funny that Paul calls the law the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. For a really long time people who practice some form of Judaism have been "resting" on saturdays according to tradition. But they still don't get it. They put their tradition of practicing as a higher importance than what God Gives His People.
Let's stick to facts and put aside speculations, OK? You have no idea what is in the heart of those of us who keep the Sabbath according to the commandment. Furthermore, it's subjective to argue Sabbath-keeping is "Judaism" when the Sabbath existed before Moses even got to Pharoah: "Behold, the people of the land are many, and you (Moses) make them SHABBAT..." which refers to keeping the weekly Sabbath. Also, before they ever got to Mount Sinai, God instructed the Israelites to keep the Sabbath by gathering twice as much manna on Friday which, again, means it already existed. Abraham kept God's "statutes, commandments, and laws" long before there was a Jew. Also, the commandment begins with "remember" which indicates it was already in existence but forgotten due to centuries of slavery. Finally, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for M-A-N, not J-E-W. but M-A-N ("anthropos) which means "all mankind".
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. What did God do on the 8th day? And the 9th day? The 10th day?
He said of the weekly cycle that we are to work the six days and rest on the 7th, period. The devil since time immemorial has led mankind to substitute false worship in place of true worship, and his prime object and weapon of deception has always been the "SUN GOD" which "SUNDAY" honors to this day, and Christians everywhere pay homage to then devil via his antichrist agent in Rome by recognizing Sunday as their "holy" day instead of what it is -- a regular work day as commandment by Jesus -- while rejecting God's commandment to worship Him on the 7th day. Rome mocks and ridicules all who claim to have only the Bible as their creed, but follow Roman Catholicism's substitution of Sabbath with Sunday.
 
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We must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous, the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Sometimes as a Christian you don’t have to say a word, people will see your works.

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded people to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and they deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.
You can show antinomianists until you're blue in the face the Bible says over and over that our works demonstrate whether we've been saved by grace through faith or not (, but they will deny Scripture, accuse others of "Legalism" while refusing to admit they practice "License", and cling to their OSAS License to Sin with one hand and their bank accounts with the other.
 

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Jesus wouldn't preach the Law of Moses to Christians. Another spirit would. That's what Satan does.
You are assuming that the original disciples were not Christians.

Jesus preached the law to them (Matthew 5:17-20).

Here is what satan does...he attributes the things of God to himself so that people will not ascribe to the things of God.

The law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

You really think that Jesus does not care about souls so that He would not preach the law of Moses as a schoolmaster to lead men to Him?

Jesus preached the law of Moses to the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:16-22!

Do you really think that He was telling the rich young ruler that he would be able to enter in to the kingdom by obeying the commandments? I say to you truly that Jesus preached the law to him so that he might come to the end of himself and place his trust wholly in Christ and the Cross for his salvation.
 

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I will not stop preaching the law because it is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)) and because I want people to come to Christ.

Therefore I believe it is an elementary tactic to introduce people to the schoolmaster who can lead them into His arms.
Yes I know you preach it but don't obey it! That's called hypocrisy.

The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel! Nobody else.


Psalm 147:19-20 (NKJV)
19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them.
 

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You are assuming that the original disciples were not Christians.

Jesus preached the law to them (Matthew 5:17-20).

Here is what satan does...he attributes the things of God to himself so that people will not ascribe to the things of God.

The law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

You really think that Jesus does not care about souls so that He would not preach the law of Moses as a schoolmaster to lead men to Him?

Jesus preached the law of Moses to the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:16-22!

Do you really think that He was telling the rich young ruler that he would be able to enter in to the kingdom by obeying the commandments? I say to you truly that Jesus preached the law to him so that he might come to the end of himself and place his trust wholly in Christ and the Cross for his salvation.
So Jesus was preaching to execute those who worked on weekends while His disciples worked on the Sabbath? Jesus preached to execute gays? No He didn't! And you are doing just like the Law hypocrites do, you pick the parts you like and conveniently ignore the parts you don't like.
 

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Yes I know you preach it but don't obey it! That's called hypocrisy.

The Law of Moses was ONLY for Israel! Nobody else.

Psalm 147:19-20 (NKJV)
19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them.
The law of Moses will be the standard by which the whole world will be found guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

Inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law (of Moses) is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

Not the letter; but the spirit (Romans 7:6).
 

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The law of Moses will be the standard by which the whole world will be found guilty before God (Romans 3:19-20).

Inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law (of Moses) is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

Not the letter; but the spirit (Romans 7:6).
Galatians 5:3-4 (NKJV)
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many
as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
 

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So Jesus was preaching to execute those who worked on weekends while His disciples worked on the Sabbath? Jesus preached to execute gays? No He didn't! And you are doing just like the Law hypocrites do, you pick the parts you like and conveniently ignore the parts you don't like.
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"gays" will not inherit the kingdom of God according to the New Testament (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

Since they aren't going to heaven, where are they going?

The other place (Matthew 13:41-42).

That is a fate worse than death, impaho.

God picks a worse fate for "gays" than execution.

As for the sabbath, it was a type and shadow of a substance which was coming; which is Christ (Colossians 2:16-17, Matthew 11:28-30).

Those who do not find their rest in Christ also will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So, they are going to the other place (Matthew 13:41-42).

Again, a fate worse than death.

1Co 6:9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11, And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 

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"gays" will not inherit the kingdom of God according to the New Testament (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

Since they aren't going to heaven, where are they going?

The other place (Matthew 13:41-42).

That is a fate worse than death, impaho.

God picks a worse fate for "gays" than execution.

As for the sabbath, it was a type and shadow of a substance which was coming; which is Christ (Colossians 2:16-17, Matthew 11:28-30).

Those who do not find their rest in Christ also will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So, they are going to the other place (Matthew 13:41-42).

Again, a fate worse than death.

1Co 6:9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11, And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Nice evasion!
 

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Galatians 5:3-4 (NKJV)
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.


Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many
as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
We have been through this already.

Those who were circumcised as children do not need to be uncircumcised (1 Corinthians 7:18-19, Galatians 5:6, Galatians 6:15) in order to become recipients of grace so that they are not under the law (Romans 6:14).

And also, Galatians 3:10 is speaking of those who are seeking to be justified by the law.

Those who are justified through faith in the blood of Christ, and know it, are blessed when they look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it (James 1:25).