Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

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Yahshua

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Doing things that are not out of faith in Christ is sin. We see this in Romans 14.

I agree with the concept "do the right thing" but the question comes back to "what is the right thing?" And the answer to that is in the New Testament.
Well sure, those are true statements. Would you agree with this?

The Messiah and apostles in the NT always referred back to what was written - because the OT was their scripture - and then they elevated the responsibility by the Spirit as opposed to lowering it. Commands became MORE stringent (e.g. the act of adultery elevated to mere looking with lust in one's heart; the act of killing elevated to hate in one's heart; the hypocrisy of teaching but not practicing what one taught).

These are measurably greater responsibilities than what the letters of those same laws were able to express sufficiently.


2 Timothy 3:16 (New Testament)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness:


We study scripture. The Holy Spirit interprets. We obey with Messiah's strength.
 

justbyfaith

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Look at the scriptures that TMS used. Law of the Lord. The Lords Law. The Law of God.

That's not Moses Law. Its not the 10 commandments. Legalists love to conflate this issue.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

There AREN'T two sets of Laws. There is one Law.

Otherwise the Lord would have stated ONE JOT OR ONE TITTLE shall in no wise pass from the TWO laws...

Paul would have stated do not be entangled again in ONE OF THE TWO yokes of bondage.



It is YOU in your own IMAGINATION that breaks the Law down into two. NO ONE has the authority to split the law into its parts and do away with the parts they don't like and "keep" their favorite parts.

If anyone is given this authority, show it in scripture.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
With a change in priesthood there was of necessity made a change in the law (Hebrews 7:12).

When the law was changed, the new law that is now given because the law is changed is a distinct law from what the law as before it was changed.

This would appear to me to show that there are indeed two laws.

1) the Old Testament law, consisting of a set of do's and don'ts...

2) the New Testament law, which is identified by defining sin as walking according to the flesh rather than the Spirit.
 
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Well sure, those are true statements. Would you agree with this?

The Messiah and apostles in the NT always referred back to what was written - because the OT was their scripture - and then they elevated the responsibility by the Spirit as opposed to lowering it. Commands became MORE stringent (e.g. the act of adultery elevated to mere looking with lust in one's heart; the act of killing elevated to hate in one's heart; the hypocrisy of teaching but not practicing what one taught).

These are measurably greater responsibilities than what the letters of those same laws were able to express sufficiently.


2 Timothy 3:16 (New Testament)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness:
What was written always refers forward to Christ - because Christ is the fulfilment of their scripture - and then they elevated the spirit of the word as opposed to lowering it. The spirit of the law became MORE clear (e.g. that the greatest commandments are to love God and love thy neighbour).

The teachings of the New Testament are measurably greater than what the letters of the law was able to express sufficiently.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" - 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
 

justbyfaith

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I wasn't quoting scripture I was paraphrasing it to distinguish both potential renderings of the message. And God didn't place any punctuation in the original text. That was also added by modern translators.




I thought I said what I was trying to say...

That words were added to the text which changes Paul's message. This may be difficult to see when we already have an established doctrine in mind based on those words, but someone reading the unaltered passage for the first time would receive a completely different message than the one currently taught.

Here's the following command quoted without punctuation, verse separation, or added italicized words:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holyday or of the new moon or of the sabbath which are a shadow of things to come but the body of Christ"

If Paul was standing in front of a new believer today and he said this after everything else in the chapter, would that person respond by saying, "yes, you're right, the substance of all of that IS Christ!" or would they say, "ok I understand, no one but the body of Christ is to judge me in those things. Not those outsiders"?

Paul isn't addressing the matter of judgment but is saying "don't let the Pharisees or other outsiders (like gnostic philosophizers) tempt you away from what we taught you; don't listen to them". MY point is that this passage - when read in context and without added words - thus can't be used to support the argument that the Sabbath day or any of the other commandments - as shadows of good things still to come - don't still need to be honored.



non sequitur / Ad hominem. How'd this group come into the conversation? We're speaking about alterations to scripture, which are not allowed. The Almighty never said His word wouldn't be altered, but specifically warned against it both in Deuteronomy and Revelation (which suggests its possibility and probability). It's what the entire conflict was about between Messiah and the Pharisees. They altered the word of God to fit their traditions.

If it happened before it can happen again (and has). First, it was the Pharisees, then it was the RCC.



When was it stated or suggested by me that someone who keeps the Sabbath has exclusive right to the proper understanding of scripture? But let's address Romans 14. The opening line of the chapter establishes the context of what Paul teaches in the chapter.

Romans 14:1 (partial)
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

And each time the word judgment is used in the chapter it's tied to the word contempt. He goes on to say not to cast stumbling blocks in front of others or treat someone who isn't following certain things with contempt because not everyone's faith is at the same level. This is perfectly harmonious with Messiah who says "judge righteously".

Stating that the commandments are still to be followed isn't treating someone with contempt. Recall the beginning of Galatians and how Paul rebuked Peter (a judgment on Peter, by the way) for no longer sitting with gentiles or eating with them once Jews visited, as Peter defaulted back to Pharisee traditions.

In Romans, Paul is once again contending with Pharaseic traditions and behaviors that easily creep into the faith. Ostracizing, alienating, or mistreating someone in the body for not eating or worshiping as they do - when they're coming from a pagan lifestyle into the faith - is casting a stumbling block in front of them.



Judgment isn't condemnation. This is a frequent failure in understanding the two concepts.

A few principles:

1) Scripture says there is no condemnation in Christ (Romans 8:1).

2) Scripture also says to reprove, rebuke and exhort one another (2 Timothy 4:2).

3) The Messiah never said not to judge, but to judge righteously (John 7:24).

4) The Holy Spirit was sent to reprove/judge (John 16:8), that's His job.

5) The Holy Spirit is in the believer (Galatians 3:2)...so then He does His job by (refer to point #2)

6) This process of correcting one's walk is sanctification, the next step after justification and the reason why the 5 ministries were given to the body; to mature the believer unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Ephesians 4:13)...not "sort of" like Christ but into His fullness.

7) Because we are to walk as He walked (1 John 2:6)

Righteous judgment isn't claiming whether one is in a "true" body of Christ or not, but correcting how a member of the body is meant to walk in this faith. If we're not correcting each other (i.e. reproving, rebuking, and exhorting) we're not growing, and sanctification is stalled.

I fear that many in the body are so estranged from the process of sanctification these days that ANY righteous judgment (read: "correction") feels like condemnation. It's more pleasing to the ears to spread a message of "no correction whatsoever for those in Christ".
So, what exactly are you saying?

That Christians ought to judge other Christians who are not obeying the sabbath how?

That they are wrong for not obeying the sabbath day law?

What might be the result if someone doesn't obey the sabbath day law after having been warned that they are wrong for not doing so?

if a Christian, as opposed to a seventh-day adventist, judges another Christian for not obeying the sabbath day law (since that Christian is more likely to be truly in the body of Christ than a seventh-day adventist who is part of what has been identified as a borderline pseudo-Christian cult), then that Christian is the only one who can rightly judge on the basis of whether or not that other person is obeying the sabbath?

But why would your normal, every day Christian, who believes what is traditionally believed about Colossians 2:16-17, judge another Christian on the basis of whether they are obeying the sabbath?

Is it not only those who are taught that the sabbath is important (such as your run-of-the-mill seventh-day adventist) who would judge another Christian on the basis of whether or not they obey the sabbath?

Those who are not taught that the sabbath is important would not be inclined to judge another believer on the basis of whether or not they obey the sabbath.

But it is really only these who have the right to judge another believer on that basis, according to what you are saying. Yet they would not be inclined to judge on that basis, unless they are taught as the seventh-day adventists are taught.

So, the seventh-day adventist who is born again (as I do not exclude them from being born again although they are a borderline pseudo-Christian cult) has the right to judge a believer on the basis of whether or not they obey the sabbath?

But if they are not born again (and thus not in the body of Christ) then they do not have the right to judge on this basis.

But if the majority of those who judge on this basis are members of a borderline pseudo-Christian cult, then their basis for judging on whether or nor one keeps the sabbath may indeed be based on the false teachings of a borderline pseud--Christian cult.

So, it is only a coincidence that the person who is judging on that basis is born again and therefore a member of the body of Christ; and the basis for their judgment would be founded in the fact that they have been deceived by the teachings of a borderline pseudo-Christian cult. They would be making those judgments, therefore, on the basis of a false teaching that is purported by that borderline pseudo-Christian cult; and therefore their judgment would not have its basis in the fact that they are a member of the body of Christ.

It would have its basis in the acceptance of a false teaching by someone who is truly born again.

So then, the cult would be taking authority to judge from the fact that not all of its members aren't born again; but because they have members who may indeed be born again, the cult can say that its judgment over whether or not someone is keeping the sabbath, is valid; because some members of the body of Christ have fallen for their teachings.

But that does not change the fact that their teachings on the sabbath are not correct according to the Bible.

Again, in Romans 14, a man can be a member of the body of Christ and also be correct in his doctrine, if he considers every day to be alike; and does not esteem one day (such as Saturday) above another.
 

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You can call this a non-sequitur ad-hominem if you wish but I hope that you will answer my objections. For they have a place within my reasoning and if you simply discount them I think that we will have reached an impasse in this conversation.
 

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instead of reading our own ideas too much into scripture it is perhaps good to just read the scriptures, and ask God - what does this mean? and not try to figure it out all on our own. this is where many errors will appear or better understanding will not. thinking we know. thinking our doctrine is truth, the whole truth, and there is no other. this is vanity. the Spirit will help with understanding if we want to learn the truth - but if we are not wanting to learn from God - we will learn from ourselves, from other people (who agree with us), and from teachers who might often lead us astray without our even knowing it. because we believe we are right even though we did not write the scriptures, are not God, are not the Spirit, depend on own understanding too much, have not wondered if we are wrong.

I understand exactly what you saying, but have you consider maybe God have me here for what I'm teaching. Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5: 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. How do we do that, in the scriptures it's written Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

See, I can go back in the Old Testament to prove what Paul is talking about in the verses. Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

When is comes to the word of God we find that the blind leads the blind, because most people do not take the time and read for themselves. Jesus say in Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Now understand that this is a spiritual and a physical saying, but in this case I’m seeing the spiritual side of this blind side of man. Paul say in 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).
 

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The "law" that Paul generally refers to is the moral tenets as they are found in the Old Testaments.

As evidenced by the fact that "by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).

The law tells us what sin is; it even defines sin for us. "Sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4).

Therefore the law consists of all the commandments that we might violate in order to sin.
All have sinned (broken the law...Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.
 

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For anyone curious about Colossians 2:16 and its reference to Sabbath, Most scholars agree this in reference to THE Sabbath (7th day rest) and many other scholars extends this concept to describe THE Sabbath and other sabbaths / holy days. One would have to make a an extraordinary case to declare that all of the translators for all of those editions of the Bible were wrong.

Here is the Strong's ID for the word used: https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4521.htm

Here is a list of Bible editions addressing the verse: https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Colossians 2:16

It doesn't take much to see that "Sabbath in Col 2:16 cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath" is a false claim and contradicts a scholarly approach to scripture.

We should remain mindful of those whom would choose to use Rabbinic Judaic interpretations to inform their Christian interpretations. Oil and water do not mix. An antiChristian ideology should not be used to inform Christian thought. The modern Rabbinic Judaism is different than the Biblical Judaism. The modern Rabbinic Judaism is led by an illegitimate priesthood (Christ is the true head of the priesthood) that has spent centuries trying to justify why they think the law still leads to their salvation without Jesus Christ. Of course these sources of information will preach to you that in lieu of Christ, performing works of the law is the way to salvation. Such are lies from the pits of hell.
I'm amazed at how you continue trying to say that 'a' Sabbath (a special holy day) in Colossians is the same as THE Sabbath Day. Giving the definition of the word Sabbath is a poor argument for the point you are trying to make. Since you say scholars -- plural please site these scholars--not just bible gateway.
 
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All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).
The commandments of the covenant of Christ fulfil God's laws. When Jesus spoke of keeping the commandments, he clearly wasn't talking about doing nothing laborious on Sabbath days. He clearly wasn't talking about fulling the commandments to execute adulterers. He clearly wasn't talking about any commandments aside from that which He taught. To deny this principle is to deny Christ.
 

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Was Paul the apostle a Christian?

Read 1 Corinthians 9:21 for the answer to your question.

You don't want to read the scriptures that I reference, that is not my problem.

But the answer to your question is right in front of you if you will read it in your Bible.

Here are a few more.

Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6.

You can find the answers if you will do your homework.

But if you will not do your homework, I doubt that actually quoting the scriptures in question is going to be able to convince you; even though they are indisputable proof texts of what I am speaking of.
Isn't Galatians in your Bible? You don't keep the Law. Why are you preaching it?
 
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I understand exactly what you saying, but have you consider maybe God have me here for what I'm teaching. Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5: 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. How do we do that, in the scriptures it's written Isaiah 8: 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

See, I can go back in the Old Testament to prove what Paul is talking about in the verses. Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

When is comes to the word of God we find that the blind leads the blind, because most people do not take the time and read for themselves. Jesus say in Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Now understand that this is a spiritual and a physical saying, but in this case I’m seeing the spiritual side of this blind side of man. Paul say in 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

"I understand exactly what you saying, but have you consider maybe God have me here for what I'm teaching"

this is true i believe - there is so much usefulness and good in different teachings and beliefs - not all probably or as much good. it could be that God has each of us here for a reason - people who believe in more helpful things and people who believe in very shallow unhelpful, non-God fearing things, or things that do not lead one more and more towards God (and truth) or help a believer much on the path.
 
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I'm amazed at how you continue trying to say that 'a' Sabbath (a special holy day) in Colossians is the same as THE Sabbath Day. Giving the definition of the word Sabbath is a poor argument for the point you are trying to make. Since you say scholars -- plural please site these scholars--not just bible gateway.
You can do your own research into each of the editions of the Bible, but as an example here is the NIV team stating that observing the Sabbath (7 day rest) is not mandatory:

https://www.thenivbible.com/blog/what-is-the-sabbath-and-should-christians-today-observe-it/

The vast majority of Bibles include this interpretation, and rightly so. It is a valid interpretation. And this widely held by translators and publishers. This isn't some esoteric tidbit hid behind paywalls. Do the research. Test your assumptions.

And the moment we concede that Col 2:16 is talking about the 7-day Sabbath, we see that abstaining from works on Saturday isn't mandatory.

To deny this is talking about the 7-day Sabbath is similar to the argument from the other thread by another user claiming that NT references to "homosexuality" was somehow a mistranslation committed by the majority of modern publishers.

Your interpretation that Sabbath observance is mandatory from the authority of the OT is at odds with the translation of scripture provided by many publishers. And your interpretation is at odds with Strong's Greek. Is there even an example of a Christian Bible version that explicitly excludes 7-day Sabbath from Col 2:16?

You could still make the claim to deny that the 7-day Sabbath is included in Col 2:16, but it is hopelessly uncompelling based on scripture alone.
 

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You can do your own research into each of the editions of the Bible, but as an example here is the NIV team stating that observing the Sabbath (7 day rest) is not mandatory:

https://www.thenivbible.com/blog/what-is-the-sabbath-and-should-christians-today-observe-it/

The vast majority of Bibles include this interpretation, and rightly so. It is a valid interpretation. And this widely held by translators and publishers. This isn't some esoteric tidbit hid behind paywalls. Do the research. Test your assumptions.

And the moment we concede that Col 2:16 is talking about the 7-day Sabbath, we see that abstaining from works on Saturday isn't mandatory.

To deny this is talking about the 7-day Sabbath is similar to the argument from the other thread by another user claiming that NT references to "homosexuality" was somehow a mistranslation committed by the majority of modern publishers.

Your interpretation that Sabbath observance is mandatory from the authority of the OT is at odds with the translation of scripture provided by many publishers. And your interpretation is at odds with Strong's Greek. Is there even an example of a Christian Bible version that explicitly excludes 7-day Sabbath from Col 2:16?

You could still make the claim to deny that the 7-day Sabbath is included in Col 2:16, but it is hopelessly uncompelling based on scripture alone.
homosexuality and the sabbath? Are you kidding?
Obvious by your usage of the word ‘mandatory’ that you are clueless as to what my stance is regarding THE Sabbath— a day of remberance and rest under the moral code as John ssays they are obeyed— the commandments—done out of love and are not burdensome— not the Mosaic Law with its regilations and sacrifices. Jesus said “the Sabbath was madeFOR man and NOT man for the Sabbath.”
 

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You can do your own research into each of the editions of the Bible, but as an example here is the NIV team stating that observing the Sabbath (7 day rest) is not mandatory:

https://www.thenivbible.com/blog/what-is-the-sabbath-and-should-christians-today-observe-it/

The vast majority of Bibles include this interpretation, and rightly so. It is a valid interpretation. And this widely held by translators and publishers. This isn't some esoteric tidbit hid behind paywalls. Do the research. Test your assumptions.

And the moment we concede that Col 2:16 is talking about the 7-day Sabbath, we see that abstaining from works on Saturday isn't mandatory.

To deny this is talking about the 7-day Sabbath is similar to the argument from the other thread by another user claiming that NT references to "homosexuality" was somehow a mistranslation committed by the majority of modern publishers.

Your interpretation that Sabbath observance is mandatory from the authority of the OT is at odds with the translation of scripture provided by many publishers. And your interpretation is at odds with Strong's Greek. Is there even an example of a Christian Bible version that explicitly excludes 7-day Sabbath from Col 2:16?

You could still make the claim to deny that the 7-day Sabbath is included in Col 2:16, but it is hopelessly uncompelling based on scripture alone.
And based on the OT? When did I ever say that? How about reading the first few chapters of Acts where Paul and the believers gathered in assembly on THE Sabbath— zero legalism when when following the spirit of the law vs the letter. Jesus already explained and demonstrated the difference.
 

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2 Corinthians 3:7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away..."

This could only mean the 10 Commandments. So, we cannot separate the Law from the 10 Commandments. They make up "the ministry of death".

3:9 "For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory."


The law and the 10 Commandments brought glory, the administration of Christ exceeded the glory of the Law and 10 Commandments.

3:10 "For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth."

Comparatively, the Law and the 10 Commandments have no glory. This is like the value of a picture of a fancy car compared to the actual fancy car.

3:11 "For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

So, one is done away with and another remains.

And here's the kicker. I used to think the people could not look on the face of Moses because of the glory of the Law and the 10 Commandments. But this is what is actually says:

3:13 "And not as Moses, who put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished..."

It was not because of the glory of the Law and the 10 Commandments, it was because the Jews were not ready to look into the end of the covenant of the law and the commandments. They could not because their hearts were not changed. Only through Christ is the veil lifted. Only through Christ is their liberty to live toward God as His son.
 

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All have sinned (broken the law...Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.
What you are saying applies to those who are of the law; who are under the curse, that they are required to obey every thing that is written in the book of the law from conception into eternity; otherwise they will never enter in.

This is what it means by "If you will enter into life, obey the commandments"...

In order to enter into life by obeying the commandments, you must obey every moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments, perfectly, from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

Or, you can choose to enter into life by the means that Jesus really spoke of...to hear His words and believe on Him who sent Him...John 5:24...then you have passed from death into everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation.

Because of penal substitution....the divine exchange...in which Jesus' perfect life is applied to your account and you enter into the kingdom because of Him...while He suffered the penalty for your sins as He died in your place...your sins being applied to Him and punished in Him on the Cross.

Somebody stop me! Because I'm preaching something important here.
 

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Isn't Galatians in your Bible? You don't keep the Law. Why are you preaching it?
Because it is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24); and I want men to come to Christ.
 

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BroTan.. man I got lost ...well not lost but stuck on JESUS CAME! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS! The lamb or GOD!

Something oh wow something WONDERFUL AWESOME ....man I lack words..getting stuck again! Something happen when Jesus...oh Father.. make this fresh every day every moment.. make it NEW every time.. Jesus died and rose.. oh how can I ever stop praising you giving you glory. When He walked this earth.. there was no Church no Christians. He came to His own. That LAW was still in effect. Something happened after He died rose! Your true yet.. now touch what has changed.. New covenant. Song.. perfect.. YES I WILL by vertical Worship! YES I WILL LEFT YOU HIGH!

The NT Paul talked about this LAW and what happened.
 

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Isn't Galatians in your Bible? You don't keep the Law. Why are you preaching it?
Also, inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is indeed fulfilled in me.