Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[BroTan]

What you are saying applies to those who are of the law; who are under the curse, that they are required to obey every thing that is written in the book of the law from conception into eternity; otherwise they will never enter in.

This is what it means by "If you will enter into life, obey the commandments"...

In order to enter into life by obeying the commandments, you must obey every moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments, perfectly, from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

Or, you can choose to enter into life by the means that Jesus really spoke of...to hear His words and believe on Him who sent Him...John 5:24...then you have passed from death into everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation.

Because of penal substitution....the divine exchange...in which Jesus' perfect life is applied to your account and you enter into the kingdom because of Him...while He suffered the penalty for your sins as He died in your place...your sins being applied to Him and punished in Him on the Cross.

Somebody stop me! Because I'm preaching something important here.

Nevertheless, the bible speaks of only one way to get eternal salvation. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:5,6).

The road to eternal salvation starts with knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. God doesn't want us to memorize two or three verses, but instead he left the entire bible so we can learn how to get salvation. If we learn it, believe it and obey it (the bible), salvation will be our reward. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (Matthew 16:27)

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

 

[BroTan]

The commandments of the covenant of Christ fulfil God's laws. When Jesus spoke of keeping the commandments, he clearly wasn't talking about doing nothing laborious on Sabbath days. He clearly wasn't talking about fulling the commandments to execute adulterers. He clearly wasn't talking about any commandments aside from that which He taught. To deny this principle is to deny Christ.

Jesus says in Matthew 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all!

No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. (Heb.8:7-8)

Again, the only laws nail to the cross where priesthood laws alone with animals Sacrificial laws.

 

[BroTan]

The commandments of the covenant of Christ fulfil God's laws. When Jesus spoke of keeping the commandments, he clearly wasn't talking about doing nothing laborious on Sabbath days. He clearly wasn't talking about fulling the commandments to execute adulterers. He clearly wasn't talking about any commandments aside from that which He taught. To deny this principle is to deny Christ.

So you saying Jesus saying Keep the Commandments, is not really keeping the Commandments? The Sabbath day is included with the Commandments as well.

 

[justbyfaith]

Nevertheless, the bible speaks of only one way to get eternal salvation. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:5,6).

The road to eternal salvation starts with knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. God doesn't want us to memorize two or three verses, but instead he left the entire bible so we can learn how to get salvation. If we learn it, believe it and obey it (the bible), salvation will be our reward. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. (Matthew 16:27)

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

Some say you must obey God's word, but then they turn around and teach contrary to God's word. At best they never get around to explaining exactly what kind of works are needed to get eternal life. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal[ life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

Nevertheless, in judgment each one of us will give account for our own salvation. Therefore, we must not let anyone lead us down the wrong path, but should verify all of our teaching with the holy bible. YOUR SALVATION IS AT STAKE! "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12).

Indeed, @BroTan, your salvation is at stake here.

If you are going to enter into life by obeying the commandments, I believe that Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48 tell us that you are going to have to obey all of them perfectly from conception into all of eternity.

You have not done this and neither will you ever be able to do this. For you cannot go back in time and correct the sins that you have already committed.

When it says that faith without works is dead, it is not saying that we obtain salvation by doing good works;

But that genuine faith obtains regeneration and renewing in the Holy Ghost; which inclines a man towards doing good works. Which works do not save him; rather, they are the direct result of him already having been saved (see Titus 3:4-7, esp. v.5).

It is saying that genuine faith will normally be accompanied by works; not that works have any capacity to save a person.

When it says that every man will be rewarded according to his works, I believe that the scripture is clear that there will be a Bema seat judgment for those who are born again and a Great White Throne Judgment for those who are not.

Those who stand at the Bema seat will be given a positive reward for good things that they have done; and whatever is not up to par will be burned away. It will not condemn the believer for that it was sin; because the believer's sins have been forgiven.

Those who are subject to the Great White Throne Judgment will be judged negatively according to their sins; they will receive the just punishment for their iniquities and none of their righteous deeds will profit them (Isaiah 57:12).

How do we appear at the Bema seat rather than at the Great White Throne Judgment?

We must individually receive Jesus as our Lord and Saviour; we must appropriate by faith what Jesus did for us on the Cross by dying for our sins, in our place.

Somebody stop me! Because I'm preaching something important here.

 

[BroTan]

Also, inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is indeed fulfilled in me.

If that was the case you would keep the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week as did Jesus and the apostles. And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. His Proclamation And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4: 14-16)

 

[BroTan]

Indeed, @BroTan, your salvation is at stake here.

If you are going to enter into life by obeying the commandments, I believe that Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48 tell us that you are going to have to obey all of them perfectly from conception into all of eternity.

You have not done this and neither will you ever be able to do this. For you cannot go back in time and correct the sins that you have already committed.

When it says that faith without works is dead, it is not saying that we obtain salvation by doing good works;

But that genuine faith obtains regeneration and renewing in the Holy Ghost; which inclines a man towards doing good works. Which works do not save him; rather, they are the direct result of him already having been saved (see Titus 3:4-7, esp. v.5).

It is saying that genuine faith will normally be accompanied by works; not that works have any capacity to save a person.

When it says that every man will be rewarded according to his works, I believe that the scripture is clear that there will be a Bema seat judgment for those who are born again and a Great White Throne Judgment for those who are not.

Those who stand at the Bema seat will be given a positive reward for good things that they have done; and whatever is not up to par will be burned away. It will not condemn the believer for that it was sin; because the believer's sins have been forgiven.

Those who are subject to the Great White Throne Judgment will be judged negatively according to their sins; they will receive the just punishment for their iniquities and none of their righteous deeds will profit them (Isaiah 57:12).

How do we appear at the Bema seat rather than at the Great White Throne Judgment?

We must individually receive Jesus as our Lord and Saviour; we must appropriate by faith what Jesus did for us on the Cross by dying for our sins, in our place.

Somebody stop me! Because I'm preaching something important here.

I'm in very good shape here, because true saints realize that God's law must be obeyed to receive eternal life. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
Surely most Christian loves God the Father Almighty! Surely most Christians love their Savior, Jesus Christ! But does every Christian wants to live by what Jesus says in (Luke:4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

The reference point for Christians is the Bible, the revelation of God to mankind and source book for God's commands to us, known as the divine Law. God's laws are holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans:7:12). They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God. Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’. But the fact is, we need both! Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws and keep his Sabbath day?

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus says in Matthew 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all!

No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. (Heb.8:7-8)

Again, the only laws nail to the cross where priesthood laws alone with animals Sacrificial laws.

Those who seek to be justified by the law, therefore, must obey the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity.

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Mat 5:48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Gal 3:24, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25, But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[justbyfaith]

If that was the case you would keep the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week as did Jesus and the apostles. And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. His Proclamation And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4: 14-16)

First of all it is the spirit of the law that we become obedient to when we walk according to the Spirit (Romans 7:6). And the spirit of the sabbath day law is found in Matthew 11:28-30.

Secondly, what makes you think that I don't rest every Saturday; even though I consider every day to be alike?

There is nothing in the sabbath day law that says you have to worship God in church on Saturday that I am aware of. Perhaps you could point that out to me in scripture.

Nor is there anything in sabbath day law that forbids a man to worship the Lord on Sunday. Feel free to show any scripture that you think says otherwise.

 

[justbyfaith]

I'm in very good shape here, because true saints realize that God's law must be obeyed to receive eternal life. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
Surely most Christian loves God the Father Almighty! Surely most Christians love their Savior, Jesus Christ! But does every Christian wants to live by what Jesus says in (Luke:4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

The reference point for Christians is the Bible, the revelation of God to mankind and source book for God's commands to us, known as the divine Law. God's laws are holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans:7:12). They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God. Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’. But the fact is, we need both! Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws and keep his Sabbath day?

I find nothing wrong with being obedient to the commandments of holy scripture, if you do so because you have fallen in love with Jesus for that He has forgiven you of all of your sins.

However, the scriptures are clear that if you are thinking that your law-keeping justifies or saves you, that you are in fact not saved.

Gal 5:1, Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2, Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[justbyfaith]

Again, the only laws nail to the cross where priesthood laws alone with animals Sacrificial laws.

The entire law was nailed to the Cross as concerning condemnation;

While as concerning obedience it is true that we are still under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

While we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven of every sin, that we ever have or ever will commit, through the blood of Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

If that was the case you would keep the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week as did Jesus and the apostles. And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. His Proclamation And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4: 14-16)

Did Jesus go to synagogue on the sabbath during His forty days in the wilderness?

 

[Jocund]

So you saying Jesus saying Keep the Commandments, is not really keeping the Commandments? The Sabbath day is included with the Commandments as well.

The Mosaic 10 commandments are some of the OT commandments. Jesus clearly wasn't talking about following OT commandments in the fashion that the OT lays them out.

Jesus says in Matthew 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, to fill to the full (Gk. plereo). He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. And He kept all of the Law that he could - but that was not all!

No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. (Heb.8:7-8)

Again, the only laws nail to the cross where priesthood laws alone with animals Sacrificial laws.

I like your approach when you say that Christ's mission to fulfil the law (prophesies) is not complete. In order to reach completion, yes certain events will take place in the future but in terms of the fulfilment of law (commandments) are you suggesting there will be a time in the future where the Sabbath becomes fulfilled and a rest from works will no longer be required? While I agree that not all prophesies have been fulfilled, I don't see the justification in the concept that the commandments have not been currently fulfilled by Christ. In your interpretation, does the Sabbath requirement end therefore at New Jerusalem? At what point does Christ fully fulfil the law?

There are more than just 10 commandments. How are you determining what counts as a "priesthood/sacrificial" law vs. one that is ordained by God? It is a commandment to execute Sabbath breakers. By what method of categorization are you filtering out those specific requirements?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

Passages like this shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of all OT requirements. But there is perspective to be gained by viewing elements of the OT even if they no longer need to be observed in the fashion they were written (and even you proposed that some parts of the OT, such as sacrificial laws, no longer apply). What then are we to make of 2 Tim 3:16? Or Christ saying to fulfil the commandments?

I concede that the whole law is not yet fulfilled because prophesy is part of the law yet to be fulfilled (good point!). But by what exegesis are we approaching which parts of OT law have or haven't been fulfilled at this time? My interpretation is that all of the OT commandments are fulfilled through Christ ("blotting out the ordinances of the law"). I'm still trying to understand how one would make the determination for dividing and categorizing that which has or hasn't allegedly been fulfilled. If I were to read through the OT, how would I identify which ones are still in play or not?

 

[BroTan]

The Mosaic 10 commandments are some of the OT commandments. Jesus clearly wasn't talking about following OT commandments in the fashion that the OT lays them out.



I like your approach when you say that Christ's mission to fulfil the law (prophesies) is not complete. In order to reach completion, yes certain events will take place in the future but in terms of the fulfilment of law (commandments) are you suggesting there will be a time in the future where the Sabbath becomes fulfilled and a rest from works will no longer be required? While I agree that not all prophesies have been fulfilled, I don't see the justification in the concept that the commandments have not been currently fulfilled by Christ. In your interpretation, does the Sabbath requirement end therefore at New Jerusalem? At what point does Christ fully fulfil the law?

There are more than just 10 commandments. How are you determining what counts as a "priesthood/sacrificial" law vs. one that is ordained by God? It is a commandment to execute Sabbath breakers. By what method of categorization are you filtering out those specific requirements?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

Passages like this shouldn't be seen as an endorsement of all OT requirements. But there is perspective to be gained by viewing elements of the OT even if they no longer need to be observed in the fashion they were written (and even you proposed that some parts of the OT, such as sacrificial laws, no longer apply). What then are we to make of 2 Tim 3:16? Or Christ saying to fulfil the commandments?

I concede that the whole law is not yet fulfilled because prophesy is part of the law yet to be fulfilled (good point!). But by what exegesis are we approaching which parts of OT law have or haven't been fulfilled at this time? My interpretation is that all of the OT commandments are fulfilled through Christ ("blotting out the ordinances of the law"). I'm still trying to understand how one would make the determination for dividing and categorizing that which has or hasn't allegedly been fulfilled. If I were to read through the OT, how would I identify which ones are still in play or not?

Very good question. The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period. This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible to do.

Let’s go into the future and see what the Lord expects in the future concerning his Sabbaths. Let turn to Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Now, we in the future in Jesus kingdom, what we call the millennium period where Christ will reign for a thousands years, this is that day of rest and it represent a Sabbath day. Even though it's a 1000 yrs, it's as one day, because in 2 Peter 3: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4-6).

 

[BroTan]

Did Jesus go to synagogue on the sabbath during His forty days in the wilderness?

That's a really slick question back, but for you to say something like that is really low. I can say a lot back from that question as well, but not sure it's worth it. But I rather miss forty days then forty years, another words, what't the math on your life and the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that the crux of our preaching ought to be Christ and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2); not the sabbath day.

We cannot be justified through law-keeping (Romans 3:20, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:10, Galatians 5:3-4, Galatians 3:22, Galatians 6:13).

Why then preach justification through the keeping of the sabbath?

It is not viable in scripture and neither is it reliable doctrine.

Now, if you are of the law, then of course you are required to keep the sabbath just like you are required to obey every other moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments. Because if you do not do so, you will be utterly condemned for not obeying the law perfectly (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

If you are not under the law but under grace (Romans 6:14) then not only shall sin not gave dominion over you but you will find that you are forgiven of every sin that you ever have or ever will commit (Romans 4:8, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 9:12)....so even if you do blow it, you will not lose the salvation that has been given to you from the Lord.

 

[BroTan]

The entire law was nailed to the Cross as concerning condemnation;

While as concerning obedience it is true that we are still under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

While we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven of every sin, that we ever have or ever will commit, through the blood of Christ.

That's a lie to say all the law is nail to the cross, because Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4)

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

You really don't understand what you quoting!!

 

[justbyfaith]

That's a really slick question back, but for you to say something like that is really low. I can say a lot back from that question as well, but not sure it's worth it. But I rather miss forty days then forty years, another words, what't the math on your life and the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week.

Did Jesus sin when He did not worship God in synagogue on the sabbath during those forty days?

 

[BroTan]

I find nothing wrong with being obedient to the commandments of holy scripture, if you do so because you have fallen in love with Jesus for that He has forgiven you of all of your sins.

However, the scriptures are clear that if you are thinking that your law-keeping justifies or saves you, that you are in fact not saved.

Gal 5:1, Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2, Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3, For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4, Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jesus said in (Matt. 19:16-17) (v.16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? That’s what we are all trying to obtain correct, eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Now if you want to enter into eternal life you most keep the commandments. Sounds like a little work to me.

You must work until the end! Jesus said in (Rev. 2:26) And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

 

[justbyfaith]

That's a lie to say all the law is nail to the cross, because Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4)

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

You really don't understand what you quoting!!

I understand it perfectly.

As concerning condemnation, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6), so, as concerning condemnation, it is as thought there is no law for those who are born again.

While for the born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts; which love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) and which is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

So, as concerning obedience, the born again believer is under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21)

 

[BroTan]

The entire law was nailed to the Cross as concerning condemnation;

While as concerning obedience it is true that we are still under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

For the law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6).

While we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19), and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

For we have been forgiven of every sin, that we ever have or ever will commit, through the blood of Christ.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)