JESUS CHRIST won the keys of death back for us, but we have to give up the key to our kingdom to use it. The Kingdoms Unify.

[Pilgrimshope]

four heads? This strikes me as Ezekiel had something like that (lion, an ox, a man, and an eagle)

Isa 51:3

For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody.

Isn't it strange that JESUS was in the desert for His temptation with the devil?

yes fourty days as israel was fourty years in the wilderness .

the four heads yes that’s interesting , the river coming out of the center of the throne and the four creatures are then sent into the earth as the river went into Eden

( the first four seals )

“And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭6:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They we’re standing before the lord in heaven

“And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭1:4-5, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as each of those creatures around the throne speak one of the horses from Ezekiel 1 ( spirits ) is sent into the earth

Each time one of the four beasts says come and see a horse of the four judgements ofnisrael appears and rises out of heaven

“And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see…

after the fourth speaks we see no more horses come out. And no more beasts speak that term again

but then soon after four angels ( ministering spirits ) appear on the earth holding back judgement until the appointed time. I think those four creatures have enormous significance but they are mysterious yet well connected with everything like the four gospels

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I would say it’s an analogy of man on the earth as Gods garden and speaking of men of power like pharaoh , nebucadnezzar , and all subsequent following world powers that have come or will come before Jesus returns for the restoration of his kingdom on earth forever.

“Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high (revelation 13:-1 ) with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: ( adam
And Eve hid from God amongst the trees when they became sinners )

the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches;

nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. ( man was made in Gods image and set above all creation in Eden God made him high and even some of the angels envied mankind )


Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭31:2-5, 7-11‬ ‭


This happens repetitively adam
And Eve , then Cain , later in genesis 6 all
Mankind but for Noah , later the children of Israel , later Babylon , Persia , Greece leading to romes dominion and cprruption Of earth as Egypt began long ago as having dominion corrupting the earth , each civilization does the same thing even if we begin with God we are corrupted over time by power , success , blessing , prosperity and all the temptations around us

the same points are
Made many times over in scripture men are raised by Gods grace and the. They eventually turn away and follow the world whatever evil is there at the time and begin to serve those things

christ solves that

So The Garden could be the hive mind of civilization? ..the beast system?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Does each beast of Daniel/Revelation have their own mark of the beast? Is the last mark for the last age?

Is the hive mind connected to the mark?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Revelation 13:15

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

If you don't buy into the hive mind of society ..you will be killed.

..didn't Cain want a way to not be killed?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

giving life to the image of the beast is caring about nature, nationalism, and people with zero chance of being saved ..instead of GOD.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So The Garden could be the hive mind of civilization? ..the beast system?

what I believe and it’s only my thought . is the garden of Eden refers to the literal beginning , a place where it’s described to have been. So like in genesis 1 when God creates the light it’s literally the sun , genesis one and early on I believe to be literally a distant accounting of creation

but then I believe l of those things are also being fulfilled spiritually as they were literally in the first.

sort of like Jesus said in prayer “ thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven “

so while we had lieral
Light in the accounting of creation

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so what I meant about everything being patterned is later we see this same thing spiritually happening after mankind loses thier judgement spiritually then the earth became void and dark spiritually spiraling understanding wise judgement wise

“For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭4:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is now talking about what happened after e literal creation when mankind fell from what we were in the beginning made after Gods nature of good. So then the earth was darkened spiritually speaking as it was literal in the beginning but God had promised the light of his glory would shine out when the darkness filled the earth

“For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭60:2-3‬ ‭

so what I’m thinking is Eden is a literal
Place in the beginning , the river like the light was literally coming from the center of Eden .

but as scripture unfolds the light becomes Christs jidgement meant for us to believe and reclaim our understanding of God that the world took away .

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s the same with water in scripture the river of life flowing from his throne is his doctrine which he promises would create living water and eternal
Life .

There seems to me to be consistently throughout one literal fulfillment for the created things , of what God said like “ let there be light “ first the creation has light physically , and then the New Testament provides the spiritual light for the darkness in the world

Moses sent the manna physical bread from heaven , Jesus is the true bread thre spiritual bread from heaven

I don’t think Eden is anything but Eden , but everything else follows the pattern laid out because it’s all about getting back there being reconciled to God like before they sinned

I’ve found about 200 patterns from ot that are exactly the same fulfilled only the nt and I stopped counting because I began to think the ot is a physical pattern for thre nt things of glory and faith that are yet to be revealed like the new heaven and earth

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Does each beast of Daniel/Revelation have their own mark of the beast? Is the last mark for the last age?

Is the hive mind connected to the mark?

it’s the same prophecy daniels from 600 bc detailing more of Jerusalem’s destruction in 67 ad , and johns came during this time Daniel foresaw

it’s why Daniel sees the first beast and then others , John sees one beast that has already had five heads rise and falls from power

there are two prophecy rolled together in daniels vision and johns

one beast with seven heads pertains to Jerusalem , the beast who boasts words against God and overcomes the saints with the ten horns refers to the end of the world

the time between Jesus being taken to heaven

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2: 7-12) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

From this time heaven is delivered and the earth is out into woe as Satan comes to the earth to earth against the church that are on earth after he was taken into heaven . All this time the church is on earth as each person loves thier life and either accepts or rejects the gospel they are marked by Christ for salvation or by Satan for damnation

Satan is on the world until Christ returns tomiaher in salvstion forever and restore the earth

the time in between his going to heaven and returning from heaven the situation is this

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what happened spiritually and then in chapter thirteen you see how Satan began to war with them through the beasts that’s were they come in satans spirit operating through men with power on earth

the war in heaven after Christ succeeded caused Satan to be cast out of heaven forever and barred in the earth. For a time so that everyone isn’t destroyed Gods allowing more to be saved from this fallen world even though evil has its throne here for a time we don’t have to be marked by Satan we can believe and get baptized and marked for God

 

[ewq1938]

giving life to the image of the beast is caring about nature, nationalism, and people with zero chance of being saved ..instead of GOD.

It has nothing to do with nature or nationalism. People don't give life to the image anyways. The 2nd beast is the only one who gives the image life.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast , that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I’m conflicted on why GOD would put a good mark on Cain after just killing Abel. I can see a beast mark being a way to prevent other beasts from killing Cain. ..but at the same time ..maybe Cain represents all of us leaving the Presence of the LORD.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

does the all-seeing eye have something to do with the hive mind ..beast system ..satan?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

weird how the all-seeing eye is on money

 

[ewq1938]

I’m conflicted on why GOD would put a good mark on Cain after just killing Abel.

Why conflicted? God wanted Cain to survive as part of His grand plan for humanity. God's mark (called a seal in Revelation) does keep someone alive. I believe the 144k are those who survive the Great Tribulation and are the ones Paul spoke about here:

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

And of course the 144k are seen with Christ the day of the second coming:

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

fox news is a hive mind

Someone suggested that maybe Cain represents the carnal logic side of the brain. GOD gave us The Way back to His Presence in the Garden ..mind.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I’m conflicted on why GOD would put a good mark on Cain after just killing Abel. I can see a beast mark being a way to prevent other beasts from killing Cain. ..but at the same time ..maybe Cain represents all of us leaving the Presence of the LORD.

yes it’s the difference in the sons of God , and sons of man . Remember Cain was allowed to populate the earth also. And then Seth was given to replace Abel.

It’s what I mean about patterns notice in revelation the righteous saints are killed by the beast , and the wicked marked of the beast persist in the earth and are allowed to operate in the worlds system , until the final judgement when this world ends and satans dominion fails when Christ returns .

I see it sort of the same Cain is a pattern for the mark of the wicked allowed to persist in earth , he wasn’t under Moses law his life wasn’t required yet for murder , but I see it as mans first estate like Cain we are seperated from Gods presence , and the gospel brings us o to the other crowd the sons of God not of Cain but of Seth

“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭

So like Cain and Abel the first two men born of the first two sinners there are good and evil people , children of God o call on the name of Jesus and children of men ( beasts) who follow the example of thier spiritual father Cain who heard and refused Gods word and followed sin instead killing Abel because he was righteous and Cain was wicked

“Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭

Cain was offered the word of repentance and life before he killed Abel but he refused to believe and instead followed satans ideas

“And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

From Cain came many in the early world bearing the mark of fallen and separated from God man ( beast)
But those of seths line ( abels ) line , who called on the name of the lord we’re called the sons of God

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Gods people began to marry with cains children it became a problem because wickedness spreads into what’s good

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Sin is forbidden because it does harm to people we kill other people , lie to and about other people , steal from other people , commit adultery against other people ect and of he allows sin to continue among his people , it spreads because of our flesh and temptations and ruins what’s good like it did in Eden ruining the relationship between God and man and bringing death

Cain was marked and not killed because that’s how it works many belong to God yet and weren’t born and if he ends everything to punish the wicked those can’t be born who belong to him and can’t be redeemed having never been born in the earth

Jesus addressed this a few times it’s like a harvest so he’s not going to come and harvest until the end so as to not destroy the wheat while destroying the chaff but in the end he will father the wicked from the beginning and they eill
Have thier kingdom with Satan forever

and then the righteous in Christ will
Inherit all things as Adam and Eve were given mans true inheritance the earth.

“The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:38-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why wicked men persist through generations it would destroy all things of he came with vengeance so he’s given the gospel to us who will believe and be saved from all that chaos Satan caused in Gods field the parable includes this part of why he doesn’t come now when asked why

“He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to Me the mark is meant for the end judgement and harvest of ages to preserve things until the time is fulfilled for repentance and belief

 

[Pilgrimshope]

does the all-seeing eye have something to do with the hive mind ..beast system ..satan?

I personally believe those four beasts with eyes within and without completely covered with eyes , are later sent into the earth being the holy soirit that puts Gods eyes on everything good or evil and also those eyes beheld God on his throne d came into the world to reveal him to mankind in Christ

I believe when Gid sent those four spirits into the earth to observe things in Ezekiels vision it showing that Gods eyes spread over everything in the. We testament both over good and every evil deed also he’s witnessing it all and he’s judging us as we live by the choices we make and also whether we acknowledge and repent when We do wrong

if we love our the gospel now in this life , I believe our sins are remitted and we don’t have to face the judgement of the dead because Gods spirit has been with us all along cleansing our sins away and giving us the right garments for the kingdom I believe that believes of this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭


Pass away and become these folks the same day if they have believes the gospel and followed the lord

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-11, 13-14‬ ‭

I believe they are Christians who walked in the light On earth having thier sons remitted

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I think Gods eyes on us continually in the light and dark is what brings us into the light once a believer knows this

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12-13‬ ‭

so we have a conclusion based on Gods eyes seeing it all in the open through Christ and his spirit in the world which sees us as we are past the mirages and hidden things we create for people

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Cain and Abel sacrifices

Cain's was of fallen earth. Abel's was of blood.

Spirit is in the Blood. It covers for our sin. We need to be covered in CHRIST's BLOOD.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Cain and Abel sacrifices

Cain's was of fallen earth. Abel's was of blood.

Spirit is in the Blood. It covers for our sin. We need to be covered in CHRIST's BLOOD.

yes we’re born of flesh from adams blood like Cain , but need to be born again of Christs blood the line of Abraham who came from seths line

 

[ewq1938]

Cain and Abel sacrifices

Cain's was of fallen earth. Abel's was of blood.

Abel's was of fallen blood.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i already posted this:

Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

and some more:

1 Corinthians 15:55-57

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

What kind of keys was JESUS talking about?
John 6:63
King James Version

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I personally believe those four beasts with eyes within and without completely covered with eyes , are later sent into the earth being the holy soirit that puts Gods eyes on everything good or evil and also those eyes beheld God on his throne d came into the world to reveal him to mankind in Christ

I believe when Gid sent those four spirits into the earth to observe things in Ezekiels vision it showing that Gods eyes spread over everything in the. We testament both over good and every evil deed also he’s witnessing it all and he’s judging us as we live by the choices we make and also whether we acknowledge and repent when We do wrong

if we love our the gospel now in this life , I believe our sins are remitted and we don’t have to face the judgement of the dead because Gods spirit has been with us all along cleansing our sins away and giving us the right garments for the kingdom I believe that believes of this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭


Pass away and become these folks the same day if they have believes the gospel and followed the lord

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-11, 13-14‬ ‭

I believe they are Christians who walked in the light On earth having thier sons remitted

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I think Gods eyes on us continually in the light and dark is what brings us into the light once a believer knows this

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12-13‬ ‭

so we have a conclusion based on Gods eyes seeing it all in the open through Christ and his spirit in the world which sees us as we are past the mirages and hidden things we create for people

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

GOD doesn't need eyes to be omnipresent. We gave something to satan that lets him do some things, like hop around to anywhere he wants ..this fallen world. i think he can view anywhere he wants ..but only one place at a time. i'm guessing you haven't looked into what that all-seeing eye is actually about ..it's linked to horus and ..masonic.