Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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I wouldn't say a different dispensation, would say a different TIMING. The word dispensation refers to rules and regulations in a roundabout way. A system of order etc. But, it's only the timing that is different. Abraham was accounted as righteous because he BELIEVED God, we the Church come to God bt FAITH ALONE. Nothing changes during the 70th week. God doesn't;t just show up and save 1/3 of the Jews, else he should save them all. They repent when the Two-witnesses show up and preach Christ crucified at the 1335. Thus at the 1290 they know to Flee Judea, and 30 days later the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem at the 1260.
So, Abraham, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Elijah were all made righteous because they believed in the coming salvation via THE PROMISED ONE. We are made who by Faith in Jesus alone. After the rapture, both Jews and Gentiles who come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE will be saved but we do have a different plight. (not me, LOL) The Remnant Gentile Church will mostly be slaughtered, the 1/3 of the Jews who repent, the 3-5 million Jews who are called The Woman in Rev. 12, the 144,000 in Rev. 7, the 7000 elsewhere in the New Testament, etc., etc. will be PROTECTED by God Himself for 1260 days for 2 reasons. God promised Abraham a continual seed, and Jesus rules from Jerusalem amongst the Jews for 1000 years.
So, I agree, God deals with both in a DIFFERENT TIMING, but God's ways (as we know) never change. We can only be saved by faith alone. So, a different timing, I agree with. But in the same fashion. Most people miss the Two Harvest Seasons. The first is in the Spring, the Second s in the Summer (Church Age). Israel's harvest ended, their harvest was to bring us Jesus and to start up the Gospel via Peter, Paul, etc. Then the Sumer Harvest came. That's a whole other angle.
I agree, they are not present between Matt. 24:15-31, then we get the parable of the Fig Tree from verses 32-35. There were no chapters and verses, so sometimes things are not grouped as the translators supposed they were, most of the time they got it correct. Maybe verses 36-51 go with Matt. 25, all I know is it does not fit with Matt. 24:15-31 because it's BEFORE the 70th week. The Flood came and took the people by surprise. In verse 36 Jesus as NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR HOUR, well, that is a reference to a Judean Wedding and the Groom being sent by his father after midnight to go get his bride. So, Jesus compares the days of Noah unto the Groom being sent to get the Bride !! So.........why do we not understand this is about the Rapture? He even calls that point out:
Matt. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
One has to think on a deeper level here. Jesus is not nor can he be speaking about the Second Coming, that is not going to take ANYONE by surprise because even the Atheist will know by that time Jesus is real, they just hate him and have taken the Mark of the Beast, so they are doomed and must fight him, in their minds. Thus, those who can read know Jesus will return after the 1260 day rule of the Beast to KILL HIM and to TAKE OVER. So, everyone in the whole world knows when Jesus is showing up. So, who is TAKEN BY SURPRISE (the flood)? It is those who missed the Rapture (wedding), or the 5 virgins AND all the wicked who will eventually see their "OWN FLOOD" but only after the waters start rising, it didn't flood on the first day, nor the 2nd day of rain even probably, but eventually the floods came. Well, when you miss the rapture, eventually they will be in God's Wrath/Judgment unless they repent, then the Anti-Christ will take them out unless they are the Jews who flee unto Judea.
The AoD is at the 1290 in the MIDST, not the exact middle. God's Wrath is the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Vials is the 3rd Woe which is brought by the 7th Trump. The Seals are only Prophetic in nature. Matt. 24:36-51 is before the Rapture, as is Matt. 24:4-14.
So, Abraham, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Elijah were all made righteous because they believed in the coming salvation via THE PROMISED ONE. We are made who by Faith in Jesus alone. After the rapture, both Jews and Gentiles who come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE will be saved but we do have a different plight. (not me, LOL) The Remnant Gentile Church will mostly be slaughtered, the 1/3 of the Jews who repent, the 3-5 million Jews who are called The Woman in Rev. 12, the 144,000 in Rev. 7, the 7000 elsewhere in the New Testament, etc., etc. will be PROTECTED by God Himself for 1260 days for 2 reasons. God promised Abraham a continual seed, and Jesus rules from Jerusalem amongst the Jews for 1000 years.
So, I agree, God deals with both in a DIFFERENT TIMING, but God's ways (as we know) never change. We can only be saved by faith alone. So, a different timing, I agree with. But in the same fashion. Most people miss the Two Harvest Seasons. The first is in the Spring, the Second s in the Summer (Church Age). Israel's harvest ended, their harvest was to bring us Jesus and to start up the Gospel via Peter, Paul, etc. Then the Sumer Harvest came. That's a whole other angle.
I agree, they are not present between Matt. 24:15-31, then we get the parable of the Fig Tree from verses 32-35. There were no chapters and verses, so sometimes things are not grouped as the translators supposed they were, most of the time they got it correct. Maybe verses 36-51 go with Matt. 25, all I know is it does not fit with Matt. 24:15-31 because it's BEFORE the 70th week. The Flood came and took the people by surprise. In verse 36 Jesus as NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY NOR HOUR, well, that is a reference to a Judean Wedding and the Groom being sent by his father after midnight to go get his bride. So, Jesus compares the days of Noah unto the Groom being sent to get the Bride !! So.........why do we not understand this is about the Rapture? He even calls that point out:
Matt. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
One has to think on a deeper level here. Jesus is not nor can he be speaking about the Second Coming, that is not going to take ANYONE by surprise because even the Atheist will know by that time Jesus is real, they just hate him and have taken the Mark of the Beast, so they are doomed and must fight him, in their minds. Thus, those who can read know Jesus will return after the 1260 day rule of the Beast to KILL HIM and to TAKE OVER. So, everyone in the whole world knows when Jesus is showing up. So, who is TAKEN BY SURPRISE (the flood)? It is those who missed the Rapture (wedding), or the 5 virgins AND all the wicked who will eventually see their "OWN FLOOD" but only after the waters start rising, it didn't flood on the first day, nor the 2nd day of rain even probably, but eventually the floods came. Well, when you miss the rapture, eventually they will be in God's Wrath/Judgment unless they repent, then the Anti-Christ will take them out unless they are the Jews who flee unto Judea.
The AoD is at the 1290 in the MIDST, not the exact middle. God's Wrath is the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Vials is the 3rd Woe which is brought by the 7th Trump. The Seals are only Prophetic in nature. Matt. 24:36-51 is before the Rapture, as is Matt. 24:4-14.
The impossibility of that is that, at the marriage feast, the participants will feast upon the KINGS of the Earth, and that's when Jesus comes to get his chosen. Hence the Revelation says, "Blessed are those invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And this comes after Jerusalem His bride is clothed with the righteous acts of the saints.
The Church is already written in heaven. The Scripture says even to the Hebrews,
You fool. John's Revelation also testifies, saying,
The beast won't wage war against people on Earth, but those in Heaven, and all on Earth will worship the beast. If everyone on Earth worships the beast, HOW then can saints undergo tribulation?
Therefore, tribulation is only to those faithful.
"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Heb 12:22-23)"
Being God's child, do you not believe that you already dwell in heaven?You fool. John's Revelation also testifies, saying,
"And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven. (Rev 13:6)"
And"Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. 8 And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain. (Rev 13:7-8)"
The beast won't wage war against people on Earth, but those in Heaven, and all on Earth will worship the beast. If everyone on Earth worships the beast, HOW then can saints undergo tribulation?
Therefore, tribulation is only to those faithful.
1 Corinthians 14:22 New King James Version
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers (Nonelects) but for those who believe (God's elects).
No point in debating end time prophecies, when God will make it clear and prepare all of God's elects. While God will send strong delusion on all nonelects.
Romans 8:38-39 King James Version
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 King James Version
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers (Nonelects) but for those who believe (God's elects).
No point in debating end time prophecies, when God will make it clear and prepare all of God's elects. While God will send strong delusion on all nonelects.
Romans 8:38-39 King James Version
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 King James Version
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
No, I think the 10 represent ALL Christendom (10 means COMPLETENESS) and Jesus is telling us 50 percent are not ready for the Rapture, thus they will be left on earth. Remember, Jesus said he will tell some, I never knew you, depart from me. Me being honest, I can see half of our so-called Church on earth right not being of Christ, priests marrying homosexuals, backslidden people, etc., etc. So I see 5 as missing the Wedding, and the reason there will be gnashing of teeth is those 5 have to go through the tribulation, many will be weak and take the Mark of the Beast. But, they can make heaven by rededicating their lives, and HIDING real good, or becoming a Martyr for Jesus. Bedtime for me.
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People who are alive for the great tribulation will experience it regardless if they're name is already written in heaven.
I think you're trying to say that people on Earth are currently in heaven; they're not and that's evident.
Also, please refrain from using insults against me or other people on this site. It's very unbecoming of a Christian and unnecessary. Thank you.
I think you're trying to say that people on Earth are currently in heaven; they're not and that's evident.
Also, please refrain from using insults against me or other people on this site. It's very unbecoming of a Christian and unnecessary. Thank you.
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Millions on white horses in HEAVEN rev 19
Wife.
Bride.
Millions referred to as wife and bride.
But you painted yourself into a corner....over "singular"
IOW ...you actually BUILT a doctrine atop of error.
Of the millions on white horses, which is the bride??????
The wife????
Your premise is impossible.
Wife.
Bride.
Millions referred to as wife and bride.
But you painted yourself into a corner....over "singular"
IOW ...you actually BUILT a doctrine atop of error.
Of the millions on white horses, which is the bride??????
The wife????
Your premise is impossible.
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BINGO!!!!
SOMEONE ACTUALLY UNPACKED IT!!!!
For years i have seen every member here reframe it.
The only change is; Jesus tells the foolish " i know you not"....not "i never knew you"
Remember the had a little oil but ran out.
They were nominal carnal christians....pew sitters...uncommitted...narcissistic.
Like the modern church.
SOMEONE ACTUALLY UNPACKED IT!!!!
For years i have seen every member here reframe it.
The only change is; Jesus tells the foolish " i know you not"....not "i never knew you"
Remember the had a little oil but ran out.
They were nominal carnal christians....pew sitters...uncommitted...narcissistic.
Like the modern church.
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