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Yes, it is true, whenever a saint dies, they go to those homes. You have that part right. Here is the difference: I believe what He said, that He would go and build, then would come and receive us (as the bride) unto Himself. Where will He be when He receives His bride? In the air and in the clouds.
some of you think the church is subject to God's wrath we are not. The bride of Christ doesn't have to endure abuse to prove their love to God. The Rapture has never been taught as a secret, we are told He is coming for His Bride and to be ready. You are ready or you are not. Ready means at the time of death or at the appearance.
Where you miss it: There will be only 1 resurrection for the saved Rather, there is one TITLE for all the resurrections for the righteous over time. John titled that resurrection as the first or chief resurrection. It is not one event, it covers all time.
Listen to yourself and your relentless comments about nothing particularly relevant or effective to elaborate why you believe the pre-trib is correct. It's just comes off as a bunch of hot air:
"Postribber...." Nope you got it wrong Jesus. We would never pray that...there is no point in it"
"I know you have zero interest in those things.
"Your deal is impossible."
"as wimpy believers that are not brave like you guys."
"You guys DEFINITELY ...NEVER... plan to escape"
"In fact you guys despise that notion...and brag about how you will be running from cave to cave with the devil man chasing you with an overgrown axe"
"If you dont know..i will look it up for you. ( you will NEVER find it in ANY postribber talking points)"
"Makes no sense"
"I can ASSURE YOU... "
You've proved nothing other than that you know how to talk a lot of smack without ever actually taking time to disprove/prove anything; a lot of smoke, mirrors, distraction, and forum sliding. Your strategy is to flood Bible discussions with a lot of pointless rambling and bury quality comments worthy of proper discussion. Truly shameful.
here is the other escape verse
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
not even possible for that to be any sort of a postrib rapture.
1) God sends the 4 horsemen.
2) that is great great tribulation.
3) the bible says "all take the mark"
4) refusing the mark ends in beheading.
5) the imnumerable number before the throne are the billions beheaded. It CLEARLY SAYS they came out of the great trib.
Those dynamics alone remove your hope of going through the trib.
Jesus said " pray that you be counted worthy to escape tge things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of God"
Postribber...." Nope you got it wrong Jesus. We would never pray that...there is no point in it"
the ac kills all refusing the mark.
It says in the bible that power is given to the ac to overcome the saints
it says "all take the mark"
The 4 horsemen deliver grief never before seen on the planet, and , ARE SENT FROM HEAVEN.
you postribs think some "wrath vs trib" is the basis for some false idea that the pretrib verses are somehow voided.
postrib rapture is BASED ON OMISSION.
That is a fact.
No, it's still wrong. There isn't a third coming. At the one and only second coming is when Christ returns with the former dead and raptures the living. They meet in the clouds and will follow Christ where ever he goes which is down closer to the ground to fight an army on the ground. This battle is fought in the air by Christ according to Revelation 19.
Actually yours is not according to scripture. You have invented a first resurrection that is through "all time" just like you invented a third coming. These aren't surprising given you also refuse to accecpt the actual definition of Apostasia because you think the Strong's concordance is "fibbing" when it says the word means a defection from the truth.
This sounds like you know what you are talking about. But ANY historian would disagree. I do too. In Rev. 1, John is alive and it is sometime in his life: 95 AD or before. In Rev. 21 John is far out into our future. It makes good sense then that somewhere between chapter 1 and chapter 21 is where the church is NOW.
I think the church has been waiting at the 5th seal for the final martyr of the church age - who are all waiting for the Judgment to begin - at the 6th seal. The fifth seal is history. The sixth seal is future. Everything John wrote after the 5th seal is events future to use today. See how simple this is?
You didn't show differentiation at all between what you just said and what I said. I do believe that the book of Revelation is largely about the last 3.5 years in this age, when Antichrist presides over 7 leaders and 10 states in Europe. It is in fact future.
But all of this is given to the Church in history, not to expect that they will literally see that time, but in order to meet the Antichrists of their own time in the same way, with the same courage, with the same fortitude, and with the same faithfulness. What on earth are you disagreeing with me about?
I am pretrib, but I have never used the word "secret" for the rapture. How can something SO NOISY be kept secret? Everyone in the world will hear the trumpet - but perhaps only those in Christ will know what it is. And when perhaps half the population suddenly is gone, how in the world can that be kept "secret?" Husbands around the world will be looking for their missing wives, wives will be looking for their missing husbands, both husbands and wives will be looking for their kids. It is going to be pandemonium - anything but secret.
Yes, the Coming of Christ is indeed noisy. That's a major argument we Postribbers use against Pretrib and their "Secret Rapture." If you don't believe in a Secret Rapture as a Pretribber, then you're a rare Pretribber indeed!