Jesus' face

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Angela53510

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All you people know that the Shroud of Turin is a fake, made up by the Catholic Church to delude its devoted, right?

Actual shroud “blood” samples have been shown, by internationally known forensic serologists (blood experts), to fail all of the microscopical, chemical, biological, and instrumental tests for blood—not surprisingly, since the stains were suspiciously still red and artistically “picturelike.” One expert found traces of apparent paint, and famed microanalyst Walter C. McCrone (1996) identified the “blood” as red ocher and vermilion pigments in a collagen tempera medium.The evidence of painting is further underscored by the shroud’s provenance (historical record) before the middle of the fourteenth century, at which time the fake “relic” was being used in a faith-healing scam and an artist confessed he had “cunningly painted” the image of the crucified Christ. And in 1988, radiocarbon testing by three laboratories agreed that the cloth dated to ca. 1260-1390—the time of the reported confession (Nickell 2013). Today, the “blood”—and with it the “shroud” itself—is still fake.”

Turin Shroud: “Blood” Still Fake | Center for Inquiry


Not only is the Turin Shroud probably a medieval fake but it is just one of an astonishing 40 so-called burial cloths of Jesus, according to an eminent church historian.
Antonio Lombatti said the false shrouds circulated in the Middle Ages, but most of them were later destroyed.
He said the Turin Shroud itself – showing an image of a bearded man and venerated for centuries as Christ’s burial cloth – appears to have originated in Turkey some 1,300 years after the Crucifixion.


Lombatti, of the Università Popolare in Parma, Italy, cited work by a 19th century French historian who had studied surviving medieval documents. ‘The Turin Shroud is only one of the many burial cloths which were circulating in the Christian world during the Middle Ages. There were at least 40,’ said Lombatti.
‘Most of them were destroyed during the French Revolution. Some had images, others had blood-like stains, and others were completely white.’

Read more: The Turin Shroud is a fake: Eminent historian claims it was one of 40 similar cloths which originated 1,300 years AFTER the crucifixion | Daily Mail Online
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There are many good articles showing the ways in which the Shroud of Turin is a fake. Don’t be deceived by artifacts. The Bible never says you will know him by a piece of cloth, likely made 1300 years after Jesus died.
 

posthuman

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All you people know that the Shroud of Turin is a fake, made up by the Catholic Church to delude its devoted, right?
Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there,and the face cloth, which had been on His head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.
(John 20:6-7)

what is described is not one single cloth, as the shroud is.

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linen cloths" in addition to a separate face cloth -- which had been set aside and folded up.

:rolleyes:
 

posthuman

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Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there,and the face cloth, which had been on His head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.
(John 20:6-7)

what is described is not one single cloth, as the shroud is.

"
linen cloths" in addition to a separate face cloth -- which had been set aside and folded up.

:rolleyes:
see also John 19:39-40 --- Joseph of Arimathea & Nicodemus wrapped the body in strips of linen with about 75lbs of spices. but the shroud of Turin makes it appear they just spread a twin-size bed sheet over top of it.
 

posthuman

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to be fair, IIRC the samples collected from the shroud and tested in 1988 were snipped off a corner of it that may have been a later addition sewn on as a repair to previous damage. there is controversy, and claims that the samples aren't representative of the whole cloth.

supporters of the shroud may also reply to John's description, which clearly indicates at least 3 cloths ((linens + facecloth)) present, that it may refer to a strip to tie the hands together, the shroud, and a cloth that was either placed on His head as His body was being taken down and transferred to the tomb, to be removed at that point for burial and folded up by Joseph & Nicodemus themselves, or a strip holding the jaw closed.


 

CS1

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if you're referring to the blonde haired, blue eyed, Germanic image common in western art, well, there's some obvious things maybe you haven't thought of yet, and some facts about art history you might want to look into.
In every culture the image of Christ has always been made to look like the people of the where Christianity was established. There are pictures of Christ portrayed as Asian, African, Caucasian etc... We all want to make Jesus into something we can relate Him better in. Think of it as an application but not the literal understanding or a real manifestation.
 

notuptome

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This very subject prompted a suggestion that the communion bread should be brown not white. Imagine the shock waves to the old line traditions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Angela53510

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This very subject prompted a suggestion that the communion bread should be brown not white. Imagine the shock waves to the old line traditions.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well, whole grain bread, which is brown, would be healthier, right? Down with Wonder Bread communion!
 

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see also John 19:39-40 --- Joseph of Arimathea & Nicodemus wrapped the body in strips of linen with about 75lbs of spices. but the shroud of Turin makes it appear they just spread a twin-size bed sheet over top of it.
Maybe it was a 'king' size bed sheet.
 

laymen

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This is the most likely face of Jesus himself
The Shroud Of Turin




Mat 17:2 [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.[/FONT]
We don’t need to know what he looked like less some fall way by woriping a idle.
 

Johnny_B

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This is the most likely face of Jesus himself
The Shroud Of Turin


You are joking right?

You need to read some Scripture and some history as to how they buried their died in Israel during the time of Jesus. The history channel has shown that this rag is fake. But let's look at Scripture, the burial cloth was anointed with oil, spieces, myrrh and aloes which as John Stott reports it, it became like a cocoon, because of the spices, aloes and oil.

John 19:39-40
"And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury."

This was applied after the crucifixion of the body of Christ, after the resurrection here is what Peter sees in John 20:3-7
"Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb.4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first.5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in.6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there,7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself."

Matthew 27:59-60 "When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed."

Now before the resurrection and the anointing of the body after the Sabbath (weekly) let's look and see what or how they proceeded,

Luke 23:55-56 "And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment." Verse 56 is leading into the idea that there were two Sabatths that week because of the feast of unleaven bread of the Passover.

Luke 24:1 "Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared."

Mark 16:1 "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him."



 
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Practically, everyone has adapted to the usual image of Jesus' in His human form. But why are some people skeptical about the widely believed image? People still claim we have got d wrong idea of his human image.
Jesus hadn't a beautiful countenance:

"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (Isaiah 53.2,3).