Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

God don't love everyone! God love those who love him, we read that. God loves those who keep his commandments we read this. Jesus kept the Fathers commandments .

Do you keep the commandments, do you love God .

It is written and said by Jesus
John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Question is whether you believe Jesus

The condition for love is keeping the commandments

1 John 5:3 (KJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

God loves us if we keep his commandments.

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

angelofmercy said:

Let me show you who God love and who he don't love

Daniel 12:1-2 (KJV)
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book

. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Do God love everyone here?

pickles · Oct 25, 2012

ozell said:

Ozell, even if a child of mine commited a terrible act, I would still love them.
I would despise what they had done, and know that they have to recieve punishment for their action.
But I would still love my child.
For God so loved the world, that He sent His son to die on the cross for our sins, while we were still sinners.
For His love is greater than our love, His love is perfect.
Scripture also says, judge nothing before its time, and this tells us that the final judgement is God's.
We cannot even fathom God's understanding, or His judgement.
What is being said here is that to choose sin, flesh, the world, is to reject God's love, to walk the wide road to death
For it is man who rejects God by choosing to live in flesh, rather than in Spirit.

You see, if God's love was conditional, we could never earn it.
God knew we could never earn His love, nor could flesh recieve eternal life, so He gave us His son as a sacrifice for our sin, God payed the price in Jesus, for us because He loves us unconditionally.
The choice is ours, to recieve His love through Jesus, or to reject His love by refusing Jesus.
For when we recieve Jesus, we die to flesh, and live in Jesus, His Spirit! becoming His children.
As scripture says, I (God) called you with my love, I drew you with my everlasting love.
The question is? will we accept His love or refuse it?

God bless
pickles

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

pickles said:

We are going by what is written in his word. So you would love your child if he chose another God othe than Jesus?

Matthew 10:37 (KJV)
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Lets read Jn 3:16 and find the condition and those who God loved

John 3:15-16 (KJV)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God love those who believe in Him, what about those who don't believe in him?

His love is based on keeping the commandments we read this
This is the condition this is love.

Those who believe in God keeps his commandments this is how they show God that they love him
In return God love those who keep his commandments we read this.
Jesus died for those who believe on him, those who kept his commandments

loveme1 · Oct 25, 2012

Yahvah God said:

Ezekiel 33

10Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live? 11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

The Bible tells us not all turn from their evil ways.

We know it is through Yahshua the Messiah that one can be cleaned and turned from their evil ways...

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

loveme1 said:

We also know that Jesus said

Revelation 22:11 (KJV)
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

We have a choice. What if we choose to be unjust and filthy

pickles · Oct 25, 2012

ozell said:

P; Scripture still says that God loved us first!

P; I cannot claime to know everything perfectly, I can only witness to His understanding given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
And this is that God Loved us first, while we were still sinners.
That all we are asked is not because we earn His love, but so we may know His love already given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
Just as a Father who loves His son will chastize him, so God chastizes us when we do wrong.
Im not trying to convince you of anything, for I am not the one who any should go to for the truth.
I simply witness to the truth, that is given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
Go to Jesus, ask Him to show you the truth.
My witness is simple, I spent much of my life thinking I had to earn God's love, simply because of the teaching of the religion I was raised in.
I spent so much time in despair, because I could not be good enough, could not do enough to earn His love, for conditional love has to be earned.
then I read scripture saying, I loved you first!
Then I saw the scriptures that said, I loved you before creation, I created you to be holy and perfect in my sight.
I called you with my love, I love you with my everlasting love.
For fear has no place in perfect love, for fear involves torment.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, while we were still sinners,so that who ever believeth on Him, shall have eternal life.
God already loves us, but we need to recieve Jesus to have eternal life.

Do not accept my words though, go before God in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, that His understanding , truth, would be revieled through the Holy Spirit.

And if you recieve that which I should need to hear, I will hear, then do the same in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
For what matters here is not who is right, but the truth given in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.

Let me know what is shown to you.

God bless

pickles

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

Have you wondered why God would give a person a reprobate mind

Romans 1:27-29 (KJV)
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

To do thinks that is not convenient

Do this sound like a God who loves everyone?i

pickles · Oct 25, 2012

Ozell, scripture does not say that God will love everyone, but that Gods love is unconditional.
There is a huge differance, and that which is God's will, judgement and pleasure.
Why do you look to flesh for answers when He who gives us all truth is Spirit?

Look to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, for He said, I am the way, the truth and the light.

I will also trust , seek and look to Jesus , Like I said, I do not know all perfectly , so I will look to He who is.

God bless

pickles

pickles · Oct 25, 2012

Its late for me, so off to sleep.
Hopefully we can speak more on this tomorrow or the next night.
Always in Jesus.

God bless
pickles

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

pickles said:

God knew you at what age ? God LOve you first until what?

When we were born God knew and until we learned how to sin and continue in sin is when the Love for us comes into question.

What age do the Lord consider a person a adult or responsible for his or her action?

When we become of age what is the only thong that can us separates from God?
Isaiah 59:1-3 (KJV)
Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: [2] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. [3] For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

Our sins

Sin is transgressing God law

1 John 3:4 (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin separates us from God

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ozell · Oct 25, 2012

pickles said:

I know it don't say he loves everyone and there is not a place where it says his love is unconditional or even conditional but we have examples that his love is conditional
Which I've shown many times.
We have doctrines that teach God love everyone ad we have people believing God love is unconditional

Whether you are looking in the flesh or in the spirit God love requires you to do something

Look what you said you will trust seek and look to Jesus

Conditions for what?

Either way they are conditions.

ozell · Oct 25, 2012

This is how we know God

1 John 2:3-5 (KJV)
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

loveme1 · Oct 25, 2012

ozell said:

i'm not sure i get what you are trying to say?

it is not unusual for me to miss the point, i'm willing if you are?

Abiding · Oct 25, 2012

Yes ozell ....So Gods Love is conditional...what is your main conjecture?

Blain · Oct 25, 2012

....... I don't know if we can help this guy, I guess even with all the proof god's word has given him he isn't going to change his mind.

Abiding · Oct 25, 2012

2 Sam 22:27 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.

pickles · Oct 26, 2012

ozell said:

Ozell, Im not trying to show you or myself right or wrong here, just witnessing in hope you will see and know just how great God Our Fathers love for us in Jesus is.

Every scripture you showed spoke to salvation, favor, how we are to love.
I put this in Jesus before God Our Father last night, because I wanted to know if I was not understanding God's love as He desires us to know His love and how great it is.
For we are not to rely on our own understanding, but His given through the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
Because what is important is His truth given.

This is the answer I recieved in Jesus Christis Lord come in the flesh.
We can agree that as being made new ( born again) by dying to flesh in Jesus, thus now alive because His Spirit lives now in us.
That all things of the flesh have passed away, because we are now alive, a new creation in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.

So everything that was flesh is gone, all before was of the world.

Now everything we are and do is given to us from Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh .
Thus the love we have now is no longer of the world, but now made perfect, for the love we have in us and given to others is no longer made of flesh, but Spirit.
So I set this question before you.

Is this love you now have for God Our Father conditional?
Anotherwords, is your love in Jesus, for God Our Father conditional, or unconditional?

in Jesus, God bless
pickles

homwardbound · Oct 26, 2012

ozell said:

Then that is what is chosen through free choice that is given to all, and God is the Judge to what happens to the ones free choice to not believe in God. that is all that is left for either us to change ones mind from unbelief that we are born with to belief in christ being translated through the Holy Ghost unto the Father of Christ
John 16:7-11 life everlasting is thus in effect here and now
7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me; 10 about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11 and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

So if one does not believe, then they will not receive the comforter, and not be saved, for they rejected the comforter, and blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not ever be forgiven in this world and the world to come
Homwardbound I am

RickShafer · Oct 26, 2012

Ozell said - "Hah

Rick your God of unconditional love is suppose to love everyone including the guilty.
The problem we have is that you and others have not been read this in the bible.

God hates
God kills
God created evil"

How does God love unconditionally; you laugh? (You obviously don't understand the concept)
I John 4:8 "For God is Love".
It is because He is unconditional Love that He requites the blood of the innocent
on the heads-(souls) of the guilty.
- That's also called justice. - (Because we know it to be right; for through Adam and Eve, we have the knowledge of
good and evil).

You need to learn what the original words mean - "God created evil" is one of the worst translated passages in all of the KJV Bible;
and has been misused for eons by people just like yourself.

Who can argue with mistakes? You need too start studying the original words in Hebrew and Greek.
So you can begin to see, and not be so blind.

Of course God hates the shedding of innocent blood.
Of course God kills to requite the blood that cries out to Him from the ground.

Try to use logic; and see how unconditional His love is.

This also explains the atonement if you would just think about it.

Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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