Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.
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Psalm 11:5 (KJV)
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 45:7 (KJV)
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Proverbs 15:9 (KJV)
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord : but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Conditions
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 45:7 (KJV)
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Proverbs 15:9 (KJV)
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord : but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Conditions
Psalm 11:5 (KJV)
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 45:7 (KJV)
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Proverbs 15:9 (KJV)
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord : but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Conditions
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 45:7 (KJV)
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Proverbs 15:9 (KJV)
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the Lord : but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Conditions
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you sound like Job's "friends"
I prefer Elihu's responses.
Job 32
2 Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God. 3 Also against his three friends his wrath was aroused, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job.
Job 33
23 “If there is a messenger for him,
A mediator, one among a thousand,
To show man His uprightness,
24 Then He is gracious to him, and says,
‘Deliver him from going down to the Pit;
I have found a ransom’;
25 His flesh shall be young like a child’s,
He shall return to the days of his youth.
26 He shall pray to God, and He will delight in him,
He shall see His face with joy,
For He restores to man His righteousness.
27 Then he looks at men and says,
‘I have sinned, and perverted what was right,
And it did not profit me.’
28 He will redeem his[b] soul from going down to the Pit,
And his[c] life shall see the light.
29 “Behold, God works all these things,
Twice, in fact, three times with a man,
30 To bring back his soul from the Pit,
That he may be enlightened with the light of life.
your cup is full of your own man made doctrines, do you even read the scriptures posted?
if so what does the above passage speak about?
I prefer Elihu's responses.
Job 32
2 Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God. 3 Also against his three friends his wrath was aroused, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job.
Job 33
23 “If there is a messenger for him,
A mediator, one among a thousand,
To show man His uprightness,
24 Then He is gracious to him, and says,
‘Deliver him from going down to the Pit;
I have found a ransom’;
25 His flesh shall be young like a child’s,
He shall return to the days of his youth.
26 He shall pray to God, and He will delight in him,
He shall see His face with joy,
For He restores to man His righteousness.
27 Then he looks at men and says,
‘I have sinned, and perverted what was right,
And it did not profit me.’
28 He will redeem his[b] soul from going down to the Pit,
And his[c] life shall see the light.
29 “Behold, God works all these things,
Twice, in fact, three times with a man,
30 To bring back his soul from the Pit,
That he may be enlightened with the light of life.
your cup is full of your own man made doctrines, do you even read the scriptures posted?
if so what does the above passage speak about?
A
Job 34
28 So that they caused the cry of the poor to come to Him;
For He hears the cry of the afflicted.
29 When He gives quietness, who then can make trouble?
And when He hides His face, who then can see Him,
Whether it is against a nation or a man alone?—
30 That the hypocrite should not reign,
Lest the people be ensnared. 31 “For has anyone said to God,
‘I have borne chastening;
I will offend no more;
32 Teach me what I do not see;
If I have done iniquity, I will do no more’?
33 Should He repay it according to your terms,
Just because you disavow it?
You must choose, and not I;
Therefore speak what you know.
28 So that they caused the cry of the poor to come to Him;
For He hears the cry of the afflicted.
29 When He gives quietness, who then can make trouble?
And when He hides His face, who then can see Him,
Whether it is against a nation or a man alone?—
30 That the hypocrite should not reign,
Lest the people be ensnared. 31 “For has anyone said to God,
‘I have borne chastening;
I will offend no more;
32 Teach me what I do not see;
If I have done iniquity, I will do no more’?
33 Should He repay it according to your terms,
Just because you disavow it?
You must choose, and not I;
Therefore speak what you know.
F
Love is not just a feeling, it is an action.
We can say we love Christ until we're blue in the face, yet their is only one way to prove that, and it's not simply by saying it:
Jn 14:15 "IF ye love me, keep my commands".
This is condtional as well. It implies if we do not keep his commands we do not love him.
If we love him, then all is covered:
1. if we love him then we are keeping his commands - Jn 14:15
2. if we are keeping his commands, then we love each other - Mrk 12:31
3. if we are keeping his commands, then we love God with our heart, soul mind, and strength - Mrk 12:30
4. If we love God with all our heart, mind, soul etc, then we are keeping his commands - I Jn 5:1-3
5. if we love God and keep His commands, then the love of God is perfected in us:
I Jn 2:3 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him
see the pattern?
I Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous
We can say we love Christ until we're blue in the face, yet their is only one way to prove that, and it's not simply by saying it:
Jn 14:15 "IF ye love me, keep my commands".
This is condtional as well. It implies if we do not keep his commands we do not love him.
If we love him, then all is covered:
1. if we love him then we are keeping his commands - Jn 14:15
2. if we are keeping his commands, then we love each other - Mrk 12:31
3. if we are keeping his commands, then we love God with our heart, soul mind, and strength - Mrk 12:30
4. If we love God with all our heart, mind, soul etc, then we are keeping his commands - I Jn 5:1-3
5. if we love God and keep His commands, then the love of God is perfected in us:
I Jn 2:3 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him
see the pattern?
I Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous
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God's Justice and Mercy is His example of His love FOR ALL people not just one man who wants an excuse to sin.
Job 35
6 If you sin, what do you accomplish against Him?
Or, if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to Him?
7 If you are righteous, what do you give Him?
Or what does He receive from your hand?
8 Your wickedness affects a man such as you,
And your righteousness a son of man. 9 “Because of the multitude of oppressions they cry out;
They cry out for help because of the arm of the mighty.
10But no one says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
Who gives songs in the night,
11 Who teaches us more than the beasts of the earth,
And makes us wiser than the birds of heaven?’
12 There they cry out, but He does not answer,
Because of the pride of evil men.
13 Surely God will not listen to empty talk,
Nor will the Almighty regard it.
Job 35
6 If you sin, what do you accomplish against Him?
Or, if your transgressions are multiplied, what do you do to Him?
7 If you are righteous, what do you give Him?
Or what does He receive from your hand?
8 Your wickedness affects a man such as you,
And your righteousness a son of man. 9 “Because of the multitude of oppressions they cry out;
They cry out for help because of the arm of the mighty.
10But no one says, ‘Where is God my Maker,
Who gives songs in the night,
11 Who teaches us more than the beasts of the earth,
And makes us wiser than the birds of heaven?’
12 There they cry out, but He does not answer,
Because of the pride of evil men.
13 Surely God will not listen to empty talk,
Nor will the Almighty regard it.
A
Love is not just a feeling, it is an action.
We can say we love Christ until we're blue in the face, yet their is only one way to prove that, and it's not simply by saying it:
Jn 14:15 "IF ye love me, keep my commands".
This is condtional as well. It implies if we do not keep his commands we do not love him.
If we love him, then all is covered:
1. if we love him then we are keeping his commands - Jn 14:15
2. if we are keeping his commands, then we love each other - Mrk 12:31
3. if we are keeping his commands, then we love God with our heart, soul mind, and strength - Mrk 12:30
4. If we love God with all our heart, mind, soul etc, then we are keeping his commands - I Jn 5:1-3
5. if we love God and keep His commands, then the love of God is perfected in us:
I Jn 2:3 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him
see the pattern?
I Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous
We can say we love Christ until we're blue in the face, yet their is only one way to prove that, and it's not simply by saying it:
Jn 14:15 "IF ye love me, keep my commands".
This is condtional as well. It implies if we do not keep his commands we do not love him.
If we love him, then all is covered:
1. if we love him then we are keeping his commands - Jn 14:15
2. if we are keeping his commands, then we love each other - Mrk 12:31
3. if we are keeping his commands, then we love God with our heart, soul mind, and strength - Mrk 12:30
4. If we love God with all our heart, mind, soul etc, then we are keeping his commands - I Jn 5:1-3
5. if we love God and keep His commands, then the love of God is perfected in us:
I Jn 2:3 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him
see the pattern?
I Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous
Did Jesus come for the righteous or the sinner?
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
no LOVE is JESUS.
But the definition of love is the commandments
Let's read it again
John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:23 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 15:10 (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Romans 13:8-10 (KJV)
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. [9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1 John 2:5 (KJV)
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 5:2-3 (KJV)
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
the question is: If we don't love God, does He still love us?
Did Jesus come for the righteous or the sinner?
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
Did Jesus come for the righteous or the sinner?
Mark 2:17
When Jesus heard it, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
He loves everyone right so why call the sinner to repent when his love is unconditional
The condition is for the the sinner to repent
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people have a perverted sense of what love is. they think if someone loves them they will not be disciplined, they will get whatever they want from the other person. I called it spoiled child syndrome. God doesn't spoil His children. He teaches them the Truth and disciplines them out of LOVE. He does not STOP loving them when they disobey but He does care enough to correct them. that is True love. not fake love people pretend they have for others by giving them THINGS instead of time, instead of listening they give them a new electronic toy or care. that is not how GOD loves. not how God Gives.
Job 36
5 “Behold, God is mighty, but despises no one;
He is mighty in strength of understanding.
6 He does not preserve the life of the wicked,
But gives justice to the oppressed.
7 He does not withdraw His eyes from the righteous;
But they are on the throne with kings,
For He has seated them forever,
And they are exalted.
8 And if they are bound in fetters,
Held in the cords of affliction,
9 Then He tells them their work and their transgressions—
That they have acted defiantly.
10 He also opens their ear to instruction,
And commands that they turn from iniquity.
11 If they obey and serve Him,
They shall spend their days in prosperity,
And their years in pleasures.
12 But if they do not obey,
They shall perish by the sword,
And they shall die without knowledge.[a]
13 “But the hypocrites in heart store up wrath;
They do not cry for help when He binds them.
14 They die in youth,
And their life ends among the perverted persons.[b]
15 He delivers the poor in their affliction,
And opens their ears in oppression.
Job 36
5 “Behold, God is mighty, but despises no one;
He is mighty in strength of understanding.
6 He does not preserve the life of the wicked,
But gives justice to the oppressed.
7 He does not withdraw His eyes from the righteous;
But they are on the throne with kings,
For He has seated them forever,
And they are exalted.
8 And if they are bound in fetters,
Held in the cords of affliction,
9 Then He tells them their work and their transgressions—
That they have acted defiantly.
10 He also opens their ear to instruction,
And commands that they turn from iniquity.
11 If they obey and serve Him,
They shall spend their days in prosperity,
And their years in pleasures.
12 But if they do not obey,
They shall perish by the sword,
And they shall die without knowledge.[a]
13 “But the hypocrites in heart store up wrath;
They do not cry for help when He binds them.
14 They die in youth,
And their life ends among the perverted persons.[b]
15 He delivers the poor in their affliction,
And opens their ears in oppression.
The question is
Is God love conditional or unconditional
Why did the unconditional God of Love kill Ezekiel wife
Ezekiel 24:15-18 (KJV)
Also the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [16] Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the desire of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down. [17] Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead, bind the tire of thine head upon thee, and put on thy shoes upon thy feet, and cover not thy lips, and eat not the bread of men. [18] So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.
Is God love conditional or unconditional
Why did the unconditional God of Love kill Ezekiel wife
Ezekiel 24:15-18 (KJV)
Also the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [16] Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the desire of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down. [17] Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead, bind the tire of thine head upon thee, and put on thy shoes upon thy feet, and cover not thy lips, and eat not the bread of men. [18] So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.
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Why would a unconditional Fod need for anyone to repent even the sinner?
He loves everyone right so why call the sinner to repent when his love is unconditional
The condition is for the the sinner to repent
He loves everyone right so why call the sinner to repent when his love is unconditional
The condition is for the the sinner to repent
the condition to BEING WELL is to repent. if you want to stay sick you can do nothing and keep being prideful and sinful.
the fact Jesus bothered to come and give them a cure is because He loved them BEFORE they did anything to deserve it.
that is what unconditional loves means: you do things for people even if they never thank you, even when they do things to make you NOT want to do it like steal from you, insult you, threaten to kill you, etc. you still love them and still pray and hope for the best for them and that GOD will change the inward person. FREE them of the chains of sin that enslave them.
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The question is
Is God love conditional or unconditional
Why did the unconditional God of Love kill Ezekiel wife
Ezekiel 24:15-18 (KJV)
Also the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [16] Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the desire of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down. [17] Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead, bind the tire of thine head upon thee, and put on thy shoes upon thy feet, and cover not thy lips, and eat not the bread of men. [18] So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.
Is God love conditional or unconditional
Why did the unconditional God of Love kill Ezekiel wife
Ezekiel 24:15-18 (KJV)
Also the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, [16] Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the desire of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down. [17] Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead, bind the tire of thine head upon thee, and put on thy shoes upon thy feet, and cover not thy lips, and eat not the bread of men. [18] So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.
people have a perverted sense of what love is. they think if someone loves them they will not be disciplined, they will get whatever they want from the other person. I called it spoiled child syndrome. God doesn't spoil His children. He teaches them the Truth and disciplines them out of LOVE. He does not STOP loving them when they disobey but He does care enough to correct them. that is True love. not fake love people pretend they have for others by giving them THINGS instead of time, instead of listening they give them a new electronic toy or care. that is not how GOD loves. not how God Gives.
Job 36ioi
5 “Behold, God is mighty, but despises no one;
He is mighty in strength of understanding.
6 He does not preserve the life of the wicked,
But gives justice to the oppressed.
7 He does not withdraw His eyes from the righteous;
But they are on the throne with kings,
For He has seated them forever,
And they are exalted.
8 And if they are bound in fetters,
Held in the cords of affliction,
9 Then He tells them their work and their transgressions—
That they have acted defiantly.
10 He also opens their ear to instruction,
And commands that they turn from iniquity.
11 If they obey and serve Him,
They shall spend their days in prosperity,
And their years in pleasures.
12 But if they do not obey,
They shall perish by the sword,
And they shall die without knowledge.[a]
13 “But the hypocrites in heart store up wrath;
They do not cry for help when He binds them.
14 They die in youth,
And their life ends among the perverted persons.[b]
15 He delivers the poor in their affliction,
And opens their ears in oppression.
Job 36ioi
5 “Behold, God is mighty, but despises no one;
He is mighty in strength of understanding.
6 He does not preserve the life of the wicked,
But gives justice to the oppressed.
7 He does not withdraw His eyes from the righteous;
But they are on the throne with kings,
For He has seated them forever,
And they are exalted.
8 And if they are bound in fetters,
Held in the cords of affliction,
9 Then He tells them their work and their transgressions—
That they have acted defiantly.
10 He also opens their ear to instruction,
And commands that they turn from iniquity.
11 If they obey and serve Him,
They shall spend their days in prosperity,
And their years in pleasures.
12 But if they do not obey,
They shall perish by the sword,
And they shall die without knowledge.[a]
13 “But the hypocrites in heart store up wrath;
They do not cry for help when He binds them.
14 They die in youth,
And their life ends among the perverted persons.[b]
15 He delivers the poor in their affliction,
And opens their ears in oppression.
But his love is conditional whether it's correction or discipline whatever, a condition is always put upon man
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He does all this Sister
But his love is conditional whether it's correction or discipline whatever, a condition is always put upon man
But his love is conditional whether it's correction or discipline whatever, a condition is always put upon man
If your child murdered someone and was a danger to others and themselves, what would you do?
Is God's justice not more righteous than man's?
do you ever stop loving your child?
personally I could not but at the same time I pray I would never have to choose between the life of one for the sake of many.