Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

[ozell]

the God of Love has army and a sword for what reason? according to some of you he loves everyone so he should be coming with some coffee and doughnuts

Revelation 19

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh

 

[Mediate]

For i have come, not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

God (to put it simply) had different method for salvation in NT and oT.

Also remember that it is liars and the wicked who God will say 'I never knew you'.

We all are liars.

 

[Mediate]

We'll all give account of every little detail.

Also we shall know ourselves as God knows us.

So that everyone in their guilt, will see.

It will be a case of 'I AM UNWORTHY. FORGIVE ME'.

 

[loveme1]

It is true that many have not received the Truth.

Grace could have one believe they can continue doing abominable things with no consequence after all they said their sinners Prayer and have now been giving a free pass!!!

Yahshua the Messiah suffered for us, so that we can be forgiven and pardoned for our sins.

Here is scripture to really put that message across.


Hebrews 10

10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[aprilandkeion]

Jesus paid it all, we were bought in a big price...in return we should obey him, faith and obedience
.

 

[ozell]

We'll all give account of every little detail.

Also we shall know ourselves as God knows us.

So that everyone in their guilt, will see.

It will be a case of 'I AM UNWORTHY. FORGIVE ME'.

all that don't matter if you think Jesus loves everyone?

whether we are unworthy or not according to the teaching of today God loves everyone so whatever sin you commit God loves you even if you don't repent or stop sinning

the truth need to be told if God Loves everyone then there would be no need for a judgement day

 

[ozell]

Jesus paid it all, we were bought in a big price...in return we should obey him, faith and obedience
.

Jesus took away the law of animal sacrifce making himself that sacrifce

what did he pay please give the scriptures?


obedeince and faith was required before Jesus came

watch

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

 

[ozell]

It is true that many have not received the Truth.

Grace could have one believe they can continue doing abominable things with no consequence after all they said their sinners Prayer and have now been giving a free pass!!!

Yahshua the Messiah suffered for us, so that we can be forgiven and pardoned for our sins.

Here is scripture to really put that message across.


Hebrews 10

and the highlight keep in mind this is written and said by Paul long after Jesus death and resurrection

Paul is still warning us about sin

 

[Mediate]

all that don't matter if you think Jesus loves everyone?

whether we are unworthy or not according to the teaching of today God loves everyone so whatever sin you commit God loves you even if you don't repent or stop sinning

the truth need to be told if God Loves everyone then there would be no need for a judgement day

Yes, that's right. We were called to freedom.

The true test is to ask yourself 'thenwhat is the point of obeying?'

If your answer is 'there is no point', then go read.

There is a prupose.

As soon as the aim is love because of its perfection, and not just salvation for myself, that is when everything makes sense.

 

[RedTent]

=Red33; ]If the love of God is active and operating in us through the Holy Spirit, we will then have the capacity to keep His commandments. Jesus asked Peter three times if he loved Him because the Lord was looking for the right kind of love operating in his heart so that Peter would be able to feed His little lambs and sheep. God does not require any believer to keep His commandments without providing the right kind of love operating in the heart and until some of you understand that, you will never comprehend the love of God. We love Him because He loved us first and we have that love operating in our heart.[

This is all so true, and yet if we rely on our heart we miss the abundance the Lord wants to give us. We can be forgiven our sins, be baptized in the Holy Spirit, and know nothing of His scripture to learn His ways and get lost. God didn’t show Himself to us because of our living sinless, or keep loving us based on what we do, but without learning and obeying we can go away from Him.

We can spend every waking minute of our day trying to obey every single law God ever gave and be completely lost. We can put the love of the Lord as our guide for every minute, and say God’s instructions to us has nothing to do with Him, we don’t need to go there, and get almost as lost. Yet the Lord’s love for us is the same, no matter.

 

[Bjornke]

Friends, your arguments are good but are not of the Lord! In every verse I have read posted by others in favor of God's love being conditional, it is actually requirements for us so that we may love Him, but nothing says do this so that "I shall love you". No, God is giving us out the plan for how it should be so that we show we love Him, not that He may love us!

As has been stated, many of these things are so that we may secure eternal life, but if He did not love, He would never have offered us the gift. No, instead God is always loving, because He always offers the gift. it's like this: a troubled Child may have requirements to get clean off of drugs before he can come home again and dwell in the same house as his mother and father, and sisters and brothers. He has sinned and disgraced his family, but has his family never stopped loving the son? Of course not, instead they love their son so much they offer him the gift to come back home even though he doesn't deserve it because he tore the family apart. So it is with God, we put pain upon His heart, yet He still loves us that He would die for us while we were still hurting Him, and He so loves us that He still offers the gift to come back into His loving arms!

I must call all them out who say His love is conditional because it is not, please understand that God's love is never conditional. He hears you where you are, and no matter what you've done, He still offer's His love to you, because He loved us first, and still loves us!

God hopes for us to come back to Him, He endures our sinning and still offers us the same precious gift. He truly believes in us that we are capable of coming home to His arms again.
1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[a] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

Also this has been quoted as a reason His love is conditional when it is NOT conditional:
John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

It is talking about how we show our love to God, not how He shows our love to us. It says If WE love Him, we will keep his commandments. Not "If you keep my commands, I will love you" WRONG! God's love is UNCONDITIONAL

His love never ends for us, and He has loved us before we were born!

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

Remember that God gave His life down for us while we were still sinners:

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

He loved us then, and still loves us now! Also, God even tells us that we should be compelled to love as He loves us!

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Also, some may say well what about 1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

What this is telling us, is that if we keep His commandments, we have a love of Him. Meaning, we have loved like He loves, our loves, has become like His love because remind you that the new commandment and law can be summed up in one: John 15:12 and John 13:34

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Therefor brothers, when God speaks that if we abide in His commandments His love abides in us, what it is telling us, is that if we do these things, then our love, has become like His love, and His love, has been perfected in us, so that we may love as He loved.

If anyone has issue seeing that God's love is unconditional, and that He loves everyone, and offers the same gift to everyone out of love, then they are not of God.

 

[Bjornke]

Jesus took away the law of animal sacrifce making himself that sacrifce

what did he pay please give the scriptures?


obedeince and faith was required before Jesus came

watch

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

This was so that God could do these things, just like this:

You love all your children, but the one who follows your rules you reward with a candy bar, the one who acts up, you punish. Does that mean you love the one more than the other? Of course not, as both are your children.

Your argument here is false, God chose Abraham because Abraham followed what God had laid out, not because God only loved Abraham, and Abraham did not have to follow those rules to be loved, but instead, because he followed them, he was rewarded, but the love for Abraham is as good as the love God has for a drug addict or me or you.

 

[Bjornke]

all that don't matter if you think Jesus loves everyone?

whether we are unworthy or not according to the teaching of today God loves everyone so whatever sin you commit God loves you even if you don't repent or stop sinning

the truth need to be told if God Loves everyone then there would be no need for a judgement day

You are the one who has no love. You do things out of of love, you uplift people because you care and therefore love them. Do you not count it that you do not love a sinner, but then disgrace the sinner? How would the sinner ever become new if he felt that you didn't love the sinner? No, instead out of love, you show the sinner the way to life.

There is a judgement day because God is righteous, and even though he cries at the burden of having to send so many of His children to death, he carries out this mission because Hid perfect love, loves them, but cannot allow them to corrupt His perfect love. he loved them so much in fact, that he offered them His life as redemption. All they would have to do is accept that gift of love and redemption, and one truly loves God, then they would repent out of love.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Ezekiel 33:11
11 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

1 John 3:16
16 By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.

When did Christ die for us? While we were still sinners. Who are our brothers? Everyone, as we are all of God and Adam.

 

[ozell]

Friends, your arguments are good but are not of the Lord! In every verse I have read posted by others in favor of God's love being conditional, it is actually requirements for us so that we may love Him, but nothing says do this so that "I shall love you". No, God is giving us out the plan for how it should be so that we show we love Him, not that He may love us!

As has been stated, many of these things are so that we may secure eternal life, but if He did not love, He would never have offered us the gift. No, instead God is always loving, because He always offers the gift. it's like this: a troubled Child may have requirements to get clean off of drugs before he can come home again and dwell in the same house as his mother and father, and sisters and brothers. He has sinned and disgraced his family, but has his family never stopped loving the son? Of course not, instead they love their son so much they offer him the gift to come back home even though he doesn't deserve it because he tore the family apart. So it is with God, we put pain upon His heart, yet He still loves us that He would die for us while we were still hurting Him, and He so loves us that He still offers the gift to come back into His loving arms!

I must call all them out who say His love is conditional because it is not, please understand that God's love is never conditional. He hears you where you are, and no matter what you've done, He still offer's His love to you, because He loved us first, and still loves us!

God hopes for us to come back to Him, He endures our sinning and still offers us the same precious gift. He truly believes in us that we are capable of coming home to His arms again.
1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[a] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

Also this has been quoted as a reason His love is conditional when it is NOT conditional:
John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

It is talking about how we show our love to God, not how He shows our love to us. It says If WE love Him, we will keep his commandments. Not "If you keep my commands, I will love you" WRONG! God's love is UNCONDITIONAL

His love never ends for us, and He has loved us before we were born!

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

Remember that God gave His life down for us while we were still sinners:

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

He loved us then, and still loves us now! Also, God even tells us that we should be compelled to love as He loves us!

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Also, some may say well what about 1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

What this is telling us, is that if we keep His commandments, we have a love of Him. Meaning, we have loved like He loves, our loves, has become like His love because remind you that the new commandment and law can be summed up in one: John 15:12 and John 13:34

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Therefor brothers, when God speaks that if we abide in His commandments His love abides in us, what it is telling us, is that if we do these things, then our love, has become like His love, and His love, has been perfected in us, so that we may love as He loved.

If anyone has issue seeing that God's love is unconditional, and that He loves everyone, and offers the same gift to everyone out of love, then they are not of God.

This is your emotions speaking conditioned by false teaching

 

[ozell]

The God of unconditional love will not discipline his children by death and destruction
The God of unconditional live would not drown his children
The God of unconditional love would not burn his children
Maybe the denomination that told this falsehood lied to you

 

[ozell]

You are the one who has no love. You do things out of of love, you uplift people because you care and therefore love them. Do you not count it that you do not love a sinner, but then disgrace the sinner? How would the sinner ever become new if he felt that you didn't love the sinner? No, instead out of love, you show the sinner the way to life.

There is a judgement day because God is righteous, and even though he cries at the burden of having to send so many of His children to death, he carries out this mission because Hid perfect love, loves them, but cannot allow them to corrupt His perfect love. he loved them so much in fact, that he offered them His life as redemption. All they would have to do is accept that gift of love and redemption, and one truly loves God, then they would repent out of love.

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Ezekiel 33:11
11 Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

1 John 3:16
16 By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.

When did Christ die for us? While we were still sinners. Who are our brothers? Everyone, as we are all of God and Adam.

Emotions

Let's read who God love and who he died for

It's obvious you have not read the verse

John 3:15-18 (KJV)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Who do God love and who did he die for?

Let's see if you can get this right

 

[ozell]

Friends, your arguments are good but are not of the Lord! In every verse I have read posted by others in favor of God's love being conditional, it is actually requirements for us so that we may love Him, but nothing says do this so that "I shall love you". No, God is giving us out the plan for how it should be so that we show we love Him, not that He may love us!

As has been stated, many of these things are so that we may secure eternal life, but if He did not love, He would never have offered us the gift. No, instead God is always loving, because He always offers the gift. it's like this: a troubled Child may have requirements to get clean off of drugs before he can come home again and dwell in the same house as his mother and father, and sisters and brothers. He has sinned and disgraced his family, but has his family never stopped loving the son? Of course not, instead they love their son so much they offer him the gift to come back home even though he doesn't deserve it because he tore the family apart. So it is with God, we put pain upon His heart, yet He still loves us that He would die for us while we were still hurting Him, and He so loves us that He still offers the gift to come back into His loving arms!

I must call all them out who say His love is conditional because it is not, please understand that God's love is never conditional. He hears you where you are, and no matter what you've done, He still offer's His love to you, because He loved us first, and still loves us!

God hopes for us to come back to Him, He endures our sinning and still offers us the same precious gift. He truly believes in us that we are capable of coming home to His arms again.
1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[a] 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

Also this has been quoted as a reason His love is conditional when it is NOT conditional:
John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

It is talking about how we show our love to God, not how He shows our love to us. It says If WE love Him, we will keep his commandments. Not "If you keep my commands, I will love you" WRONG! God's love is UNCONDITIONAL

His love never ends for us, and He has loved us before we were born!

1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

Remember that God gave His life down for us while we were still sinners:

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

He loved us then, and still loves us now! Also, God even tells us that we should be compelled to love as He loves us!

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Also, some may say well what about 1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

What this is telling us, is that if we keep His commandments, we have a love of Him. Meaning, we have loved like He loves, our loves, has become like His love because remind you that the new commandment and law can be summed up in one: John 15:12 and John 13:34

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Therefor brothers, when God speaks that if we abide in His commandments His love abides in us, what it is telling us, is that if we do these things, then our love, has become like His love, and His love, has been perfected in us, so that we may love as He loved.

If anyone has issue seeing that God's love is unconditional, and that He loves everyone, and offers the same gift to everyone out of love, then they are not of God.

Lets get away from emotions

 

[ozell]

Lets read and get away from emotions and bad doctrine

John 15:10 (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What part of these conditions you don't understand?

Is it the word if
Is the word commandments
Is it the word abide

looks and sounds like a condition to me

 

[ozell]

All over the bible from Genesis to revelation The Lord has killed someone in his creation

 

[ozell]

1 Peter 4:18 (KJV)
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Conditional love if the righteous is scarcely saved