Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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God's love needs no proof that's what faith is, do you believe in god? there is no proof he exist according to many ppl but again that is what faith is. and again be careful what you say god is very patient but that doesn't mean you can whatever you want about him. If you are a christian then there is no excuse for what you say. I admit i may not be handling this situation correctly but i will not stand by and let you dishoner Jesus. I have felt god's love before because i was in his arms and his love is so amazing i begged him to let me come home to him but i heard him tell me to be strong for him . I don't care why you say such horrible things about god but luckily god is merciful
GOD said prove all things

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Can God love someone who don't believe in him?

What qualifies a person that believes in Jesus?
 
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It is not what goes into a mans belly the defiles him ,It is what comes out of his heart that defiles a man (or woman) All thing are lawful but all thing are do not edify Therefore if anything I eat and offend my brother I will not eat that so as not to defile his conscience , not mine.
So deified people are loved by God?

Think about what you are saying

A defiled person has no love for God, they don't believe in God or his ways
 
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It is true that many have not received the Truth.

Grace could have one believe they can continue doing abominable things with no consequence after all they said their sinners Prayer and have now been giving a free pass!!!

Yahshua the Messiah suffered for us, so that we can be forgiven and pardoned for our sins.

Here is scripture to really put that message across.


Hebrews 10
i understand that you have not read this bible and dont understand what is written?

God don't love everyone and his actions prove it!
I perceive your in a bond of iniquity and deceit Perhaps a root of bitterness has sprung up in you and could defile many I warn you in the lord you are on thin ice. More by your attitude than what you are saying. Please seek the lord you can't be at peace At first Gods love for us is unconditional . He brought his word to you unconditionally ,without any input on your part , he gave his son for all unconditionally they also not knowing . But once we hear and more important perceive gods love there are conditions primarily brought upon by us involving how we choose to respond to his freely given love ,you have a point here. Something you seem to leave out that even in our disobedience is Gods mercy and desire for reconciliation. God is long suffering not willing that any should perish .But we have a great influence by our free will on how we choose to respond to Gods unmerited love which does has consequence and effect.I think that perhaps something you are doing or not doing has surface seen in these obsessive statement even though some may be true To me it almost feels like some dark spiritual influence , you should truly and sincerely seek the lord for direction I will pray for you But make no mistake to be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh but salvation of you soul is really the next option May God cover you with his grace and protection in these evil times
 
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Read what Isaiah say here

Isaiah 59:2 (KJV)
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

How can God love you when your sins that you continue to commit separated you from him

If you sin you can't get near him
If you keep the law he will abide with you

John 15:10 (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 3:6 (KJV)
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
 
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Where was the sun when the Lord drowned a creation?

Genesis 6:5,7 (KJV)
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. [7] And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Notice the conditions that led to the death of a world
God love is conditional
Do you understand God's purpose beloved? What is satan's purpose in all of this? It is the Lord who kills AND THEN MAKES ALIVE!
 
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I perceive your in a bond of iniquity and deceit Perhaps a root of bitterness has sprung up in you and could defile many I warn you in the lord you are on thin ice. More by your attitude than what you are saying. Please seek the lord you can't be at peace At first Gods love for us is unconditional . He brought his word to you unconditionally ,without any input on your part , he gave his son for all unconditionally they also not knowing . But once we hear and more important perceive gods love there are conditions primarily brought upon by us involving how we choose to respond to his freely given love ,you have a point here. Something you seem to leave out that even in our disobedience is Gods mercy and desire for reconciliation. God is long suffering not willing that any should perish .But we have a great influence by our free will on how we choose to respond to Gods unmerited love which does has consequence and effect.I think that perhaps something you are doing or not doing has surface seen in these obsessive statement even though some may be true To me it almost feels like some dark spiritual influence , you should truly and sincerely seek the lord for direction I will pray for you But make no mistake to be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh but salvation of you soul is really the next option May God cover you with his grace and protection in these evil times
Where is you reading this stuff from?

Where are your scriptures or verses?

What you don't want to accept is truth ?

God loves those who love him?

Lets read the bible

Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.


How do we love God?

John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

There is no need to voice your opinion on this topic the word of God is clear
 
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Do you understand God's purpose beloved? What is satan's purpose in all of this? It is the Lord who kills AND THEN MAKES ALIVE!
We've been through this

everyone will be alive on judgement day even those he don't Love
 
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We've been through this

everyone will be alive on judgement day even those he don't Love
Why are you so hypocritical? God tells US to LOVE our enemies, but He shows His love toward His enemies by throwing them in a lake of fire?
 
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Why are you so hypocritical? God tells US to LOVE our enemies, but He shows His love toward His enemies by throwing them in a lake of fire?
God told us to love our enemies

What about God's enemies and his love toward his enemies?
 
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God told us to love our enemies

What about God's enemies and his love toward his enemies?
Out of your own mouth, you say that God told us to love our enemies and yet you teach that God will not love His.

Where's God's love toward His enemies?



Romans 4:4:5

4*Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5*But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

God JUSTIFIES the ungodly Ozell! When we love our enemies, we are PERFECT even as our Father in heaven is perfect, who once again sends the sun to shine on both the good and the evil.
 
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Ozell's on a mission.

For sainthood status.

Maybe the 487th prelate will grant it. - (Here's hopen' Ozell)

Won't heaven be lonely when only you and Skinski and Ecc. make it!?!
 
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God told us to love our enemies

What about God's enemies and his love toward his enemies?
Ozell I plead with you to find God's truth. You are on very thin ice as you are attempting to lead people astray with your false doctrines and believe me there will be punishment for thoso do so towards God's people.

Also, after every single post I made that proved you were wrong and proved God loves unconditionally you refuted it with "Your emotions talking" when clearly the Word depicts that God loves unconditionally.

Ozell you need help, and I pray for you, for you are on thin ice with this community and with God. I cannot see why you would think God's love is conditional unless your on a mission of hate and sin which it seems to be.
 

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Ok clearly you have read the bible but your reasoning of it is incorrect, What was your motive for reading his word? Don't you know what the bible is? it is many things but one of them is a love letter to us. If you truly understood the bible then you would know of god's love and clearly you know nothing of the bible. There is a difference between reading it and understanding it. Again all you are doing is slapping god in his face, calling his son a liar and a hypocrite and digging you own grave. I don't think you are doing this to protect the name of god, the devil loves to use scripture to decieve us. All of us have given you this proof you ask for and yet you refuse to accept it, you are acting like the pharasee's in the bible
 
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My last effort to show you Grace Ozell.

By your standard, we must all follow the commandments without fault for God to love us, but who then can follow them without fault? Have you listed today Ozell? Have you told even a small "white" lie today Ozell? Have you thought harm to your neighbor Ozell? Have you thought of death towards anyone? Have you been rude or arrogant towards anyone today Ozell? Have you been sinless today Ozell?

If your answer is yes to being sinless, I can find sin through you because your lying, no one but Christ is sinless, no matter how hard you try. Period, end of story, do not try to refute this one, because all sin, every single one of us sins every single day of our lives. There is nothing you can say or do or read or believe or pray to change that. You will sin, that is the nature of this world.

You do realize then Ozell, that is is impossible for God's love to be in anyone then, correct? You should also recognize that because only Christ was sinless, even Abraham sinned. Was he blameless? Perhaps, but the two are different things. Did Abraham sin? It's guaranteed that he sinned, it was just that he believed more truly, and followed more honestly, the ways of the Lord then anyone else at his time, that the Lord God chose Abraham, because it was God's will to do so. God could have chosen a tree to bare the rest of human kind if he wanted, and then all of Israel would have been sons of the fig tree.

By your standard Ozell, and this is YOUR standard because it is NOT God's standard for love, we would all have to be 100% sinless everyday for God to love us.

Do you not see how corrupt, and far from the truth you are?

If you want to have the standard you speak of applied to you, then by that means, G-d does not love you Ozell because you sinned today and didn't follow His grace or commandments like you teach we must follow for Him to love us. How does it feel Ozell, to realize you are not loved by G-d?

But the truth is, you are loved by God today, and yesterday, and tomorrow, not because you followed His commandments, or because you were sinless, but because of His mercy, and grace, and love that He has for us, which is unconditional.

Ozell I pray for you, because you are so far from the truth on this matter, that you're digging your own grave in hell and I cannot let that happen to you without trying to show you the truth so that you may know God's love for what it is, and be saved according to it. I cannot, under any circumstance,s let you spread this false doctrine, and lead followers astray, because to do so, would place a guilty burden on my heart that I didn't speak the truth when I saw the darkness rising.

These things I say to you because I care about you Ozell, and I don't wish to see anyone dig their own graves, with the very word meant to save them.
 
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Ok clearly you have read the bible but your reasoning of it is incorrect, What was your motive for reading his word? Don't you know what the bible is? it is many things but one of them is a love letter to us. If you truly understood the bible then you would know of god's love and clearly you know nothing of the bible. There is a difference between reading it and understanding it. Again all you are doing is slapping god in his face, calling his son a liar and a hypocrite and digging you own grave. I don't think you are doing this to protect the name of god, the devil loves to use scripture to decieve us. All of us have given you this proof you ask for and yet you refuse to accept it, you are acting like the pharasee's in the bible
John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

1 Corinthians 2:16 (KJV)
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Proverbs 2:6 (KJV)
For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
 
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My last effort to show you Grace Ozell.

By your standard, we must all follow the commandments without fault for God to love us, but who then can follow them without fault? Have you listed today Ozell? Have you told even a small "white" lie today Ozell? Have you thought harm to your neighbor Ozell? Have you thought of death towards anyone? Have you been rude or arrogant towards anyone today Ozell? Have you been sinless today Ozell?

If your answer is yes to being sinless, I can find sin through you because your lying, no one but Christ is sinless, no matter how hard you try. Period, end of story, do not try to refute this one, because all sin, every single one of us sins every single day of our lives. There is nothing you can say or do or read or believe or pray to change that. You will sin, that is the nature of this world.

You do realize then Ozell, that is is impossible for God's love to be in anyone then, correct? You should also recognize that because only Christ was sinless, even Abraham sinned. Was he blameless? Perhaps, but the two are different things. Did Abraham sin? It's guaranteed that he sinned, it was just that he believed more truly, and followed more honestly, the ways of the Lord then anyone else at his time, that the Lord God chose Abraham, because it was God's will to do so. God could have chosen a tree to bare the rest of human kind if he wanted, and then all of Israel would have been sons of the fig tree.

By your standard Ozell, and this is YOUR standard because it is NOT God's standard for love, we would all have to be 100% sinless everyday for God to love us.

Do you not see how corrupt, and far from the truth you are?

If you want to have the standard you speak of applied to you, then by that means, G-d does not love you Ozell because you sinned today and didn't follow His grace or commandments like you teach we must follow for Him to love us. How does it feel Ozell, to realize you are not loved by G-d?

But the truth is, you are loved by God today, and yesterday, and tomorrow, not because you followed His commandments, or because you were sinless, but because of His mercy, and grace, and love that He has for us, which is unconditional.

Ozell I pray for you, because you are so far from the truth on this matter, that you're digging your own grave in hell and I cannot let that happen to you without trying to show you the truth so that you may know God's love for what it is, and be saved according to it. I cannot, under any circumstance,s let you spread this false doctrine, and lead followers astray, because to do so, would place a guilty burden on my heart that I didn't speak the truth when I saw the darkness rising.

These things I say to you because I care about you Ozell, and I don't wish to see anyone dig their own graves, with the very word meant to save them.

I've showed you what God has had written concerning love and I've showed you his actions and efforts concerning love
What you have provided me in return is opinion , Emotions and mans doctrine

We read love is keeping the commandments plain and simple
We cannot read where love is grace and by the way grace if the blood of Jesus

Don't pray for me give your prayers to one who needs it

I pray for myself
 
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Ozell's on a mission.

For sainthood status.

Maybe the 487th prelate will grant it. - (Here's hopen' Ozell)

Won't heaven be lonely when only you and Skinski and Ecc. make it!?!
I'm not going to heaven and neither are you

If you can't understand that God is a conditional God how can you
know that no man is going to heaven

This is very basic, yet you have not been revealed the truth

Jesus kingdom will be on earth for 1000 years and the Father's kingdom will be on earth after Jesus 1000
rule is over
 
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Genesis 19:24-25 (KJV)
Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; [25] And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

In these cities were babies, newborns, pregnant women, old women, young women, men, elderly and handicapped

The Lord burned them all!

So much for unconditional love.
 
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In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word will be established.