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jimmydiggs

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Isaiah 43:3, "For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior"
Isaiah 45:21, "...And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me."

John 4:42, "They said to the woman, ‘We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.’"
1 John 4:14, "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world."
 
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prophecyman

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Yep... One God, One Savior!
 
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AnandaHya

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was there any doubt?
 
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Jesus is the Creator -
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(John 1:3)


Jesus is the Mighty God -
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)


Jesus is the Power of God -
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.(1 Corinthians 1:24)


Jesus is the Lamb of God -
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.(John 1:29)


Jesus is the Image of God -
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Corinthians 4:4)


Jesus is God in Flesh -
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)


Scriptures -
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.(Deuteronomy 4:35)

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?(10)Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of
myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:9-10)

I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
( John 8:24-28 )


Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our
lives for the brethren.(1 John 3:16)


Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (Isaiah 43:10-11)

I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
( Isaiah 43:25 )


And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.(Exodus 3:13-14)


And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.(Zechariah 14:9)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1)

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen (Romans 9:5)

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.(John 20:28-29)


They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
( John 18:5-8 )


And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. ( Revelation 1:17-18 )
 

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everyone in this thread is born of God.

PS: hi ana
 

Grandpa

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Amen J.D.
Isaiah 9:6
John 1:1-14
John 8:58
 
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Tombo

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Nothing to say except, AMEN!!!!

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Tombo

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I thought I might also share this from another post I made:

John 1:1-5 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men."

The Jewish rulers knew who Jesus was claiming to be. John 5:18 "This is why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because not only was He breaking the sabbath, but He was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God." Did the apostle John correct this misunderstsanding (as he could have easily done since he was writing in hindsight) of the Jews? The answer is a resounding NO!!!!

John 8:57-59 " So the Jews said to him. "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." So they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. The Jews knew He was claiming to be the great I AM (God) of Exodus. Again, John could have corected this "misunderstanding" of the Jews in his gospel account, but he didn't.

John 14:8-9 "Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to Him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the father?"

John 20:28 ""Thomas answered Him, My Lord and my God!" Did Jesus say to Thomas "don't say such things, Thomas." ??? Again, NO. Jesus accepted worship as is appropriate for God.

Matthew 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call His name Immanuel" (which means, God with us).

Colossians 2: 9-10 " For in Him (Jesus) the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority."

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace."

I admit that the truth of a triune God is difficult for many to grasp. How can God be one God in three persons? One in substance, but three in persons? Not three Gods, but one God in three distinct persons? I can't explain it, but it is clearly taught in the scriptures. We get in trouble when we try to figure God out in our little finite minds instead of accepting what HE says about Himself.

Even at the beginning, in Genesis 1:28 :Then God said, "Let Us make man in our image, after Our likeness." Who are the "Us" and "Our"?

I could go on, but I think this is enough proof to show that Jesus is very God of very God. If you deny it, you do it at your own peril. If Jesus is not God, you have no savior. No created being could take away sins.
Mark 2:5-7 "...He said to the paralytic, Son, your sins are forgiven." Now some of the scribes were sitting there , questioning in their hearts, "Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" The scribes were right to accuse Jesus of blasphemy IF HE WERE ONLY A CREATED BEING, A MERE MAN ALONE. But if He is God (and He is) then He is within His right to forgives us.
No God, no Savior. Jesus is God, always was. Blessed be our Savior!!!!

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Jesus is the Creator -
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(John 1:3)
Sorry Timothy10, I guess that it depends on what translation you wish to use.

John 1:3 from the Holman Christian Standard Bible is rendered, "All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created." Other translations render this verse similarly.

This backed up by Col 1:15, 16, which says of Jesus; " who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him" (ASV)

It is apparent that Jesus was not the Creator but was used in creation. He was the one "through" whom all things were created, both in heaven and on earth. He was not the one "by" whom all things came into existence.

In the Genesis account, the word used in verse one means to create something out of nothing. A product of God's holy spirit. This is what God the Father did. In verse 26 the word means to construct something out of already existing material. This is what Jesus, (as the only begotten, firstborn son) did. He is the one spoken to in verse 26 when God says "let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness".
Yahweh was not talking to himself.

Jesus is the Mighty God -
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(Isaiah 9:6)
"Mighty God" yes. "ALMIGHTY GOD"...NO! No one can deny that Jesus is the image of his Father. But he is a firstborn son, he is not God. As firstborn, there has to be a time when the son did not exist.
He is also the "Prince of Peace"...a prince is the son of a king.

Jesus is God in Flesh -
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)
Not all mss read "God"in this verse. Others translate "HE".

"And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." (Holman)
This is clearly talking about Jesus, but it is not saying that he is God.

I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)
John 17:21, 22, "May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You.
May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me. I have given them the glory You have given Me.
May they be one as We are one." (Holman)

Were all of Jesus' disciples God?

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
( John 8:24-28 )
Is Jesus incapable of speaking 'of himself'? If he is God, why is that? Why does he need to be 'taught' God's words if he is God?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1)
Another curious verse. How is this one "WITH" God, if he IS God? We also have to ask how was Jesus with God "in the beginning"? "the beginning" of what? God did not have a beginning.
If he is "the firstborn of all creation" then that makes Jesus a created being.

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. ( Revelation 1:17-18 )
Can God die? If God was dead, who raised him back to life? Can an immortal being die? What does "immortal" mean exactly?

If Jesus was God, why did he worship the Father? Why did he call him "my God"? "My Father"? (John 20:17)

I find no scriptural support for the notion that 'Jesus is God' at all. In fact I find more scriptural support for there being two completely separate entities who are in complete harmony with each other, than I do for their being one and the same person.

In prayer to his Father at John 17:3, Jesus said that "knowing" God and his Christ were the way to everlasting life. No mention was made of the holy spirit. If 'he' was an equal part of the 'godhead', why is knowing 'him' not necessary?

Just asking? :confused:
 
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Laodicea

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"Mighty God" yes. "ALMIGHTY GOD"...NO! No one can deny that Jesus is the image of his Father. But he is a firstborn son, he is not God. As firstborn, there has to be a time when the son did not exist.
He is also the "Prince of Peace"...a prince is the son of a king.
Jesus is not a literal son He is as a son, in the plan of God He became as a son
Proverbs 8:30
(30) Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;





I find no scriptural support for the notion that 'Jesus is God' at all. In fact I find more scriptural support for there being two completely separate entities who are in complete harmony with each other, than I do for their being one and the same person.
John 8:58
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:14
(14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The people who Jesus was speaking to knew exactly what Jesus meant
John 8:59

(59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The only way we could receive salvation is for someone who is fully God and fully man. He can then lay hold on both, a created being cannot lay hold on God the way God can.

Philippians 2:5-8

(5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

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Dear Molly, Jesus is the everlasting Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

..there is only one Lord God and that is Him that came in the flesh, Jesus Christ. They are one and the same.
 
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In adition to what I've written above, look at Hebrews 1:8-9 "But of the Son He says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions." How can God call Jesus God if He wasn't???

Titus 2:13 "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession who are zealous for good works."

Hosea 13:4 "But I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no Savior" So if there is no savior besides God, how is Jesus our Savior??? If Jesus is just another creation, He is not qualified to take away sins. Jesus said "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Not names, but name. Are these not all God??? How could Jesus and the Spirit be included in that if God only is the Savior? It is because God is triune in nature. One God in three persons. This is a mystery, but we must accept it. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus forgave people their sins, thereby declaring Himself to be God.
The touchstone of orthodoxy throughout the Church age has been the deity of Christ. And rightly so, without Christ bieng God, we have no one to bear our sins.

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Dear Molly, Jesus is the everlasting Father.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

..there is only one Lord God and that is Him that came in the flesh, Jesus Christ. They are one and the same.
But I thought the trinity doctrine was this -

God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit - the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Son.


If God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; how can the Father which is God not be the Son which is God; nor the Father which is God not be the Holy Spirit which is God; and the Holy Spirit which is God not be the Son which is God?

:confused:
 

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was there any doubt?
Too many on the board denies it and too many are indifferent about it (and other heresies) thinking it's no biggie, just a matter of personal preference.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Too many on the board denies it and too many are indifferent about it (and other heresies) thinking it's no biggie, just a matter of personal preference.
BINGO!

(was his name-o)

Now, we are seeing who refuses to acknowledge that Jesus is God.
 

cronjecj

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But I thought the trinity doctrine was this -

God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit - the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Son.

If God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; how can the Father which is God not be the Son which is God; nor the Father which is God not be the Holy Spirit which is God; and the Holy Spirit which is God not be the Son which is God?

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they are all one and the same, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. One God one Lord.

i think the confusion comes when trinity comes to mind.

blessings
 
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they are all one and the same, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. One God one Lord.

i think the confusion comes when trinity comes to mind.

blessings
Thank you for trying to explain but this is what the doctrine of the trinity states: "God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit - the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Son." Yea, it is confusing.

Wonder why the term "the Son of God" is used instead of "God the Son"?
 
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AnandaHya

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Too many on the board denies it and too many are indifferent about it (and other heresies) thinking it's no biggie, just a matter of personal preference.
perhaps not indifferent but more given to quiet prayer and meditation on Scripture then engaging with those who would argue with fleshly means.

I think we should follow Jesus example when dealing with heresies.

He did not argue with the people but instead presented the truth to those who would listen and allowed the blind to continue leading the blind.

yeah it makes me sad to see people deny that Jesus is Immanuel, God with us and not see how He proclaimed His deity all the time in scripture. For WHO is able to forgive sins except for GOD?

Did any other Prophet in the Bible say to a person "Your sins are forgiven"? Did anyone else have that power to do so EXCEPT for God alone? The Ultimate Judge.

on the side note it does help red flag people whose other doctrine might need a second look at, like what they think salvation is, what hell or heaven is, etc.

I think I'll go back and read the scriptures posted on the thread so far again. :)

thoughts of heresies make me sad but God's word brings back the light :)
 

cronjecj

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Thank you for trying to explain but this is what the doctrine of the trinity states: "God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit - the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Son." Yea, it is confusing.

Wonder why the term "the Son of God" is used instead of "God the Son"?
:) ..it's not God the Son, it's THE Son of God.

u are A son of God but there is only one THE Son of God and that is Jesus Christ the Almighty God that came in the flesh.

it's never God the....God the...God the.... , this explanation leads to error because it sounds like 3 God's or 3 different entities whereas according to the Word the Lord God is one.

Jesus Christ is the,

God in the beginning
Angel of the Lord
Melchizedek
Prince of Peace
Everlasting Father
Mighty God
Lord of Hosts
The Son of God
High priest forever

..they are ONE and the SAME.

Blessings to you